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ryan211
“They probably ought to avoid trades for veteran pitchers, however, unless they come very cheaply”
That would seem to leave acquiring starters via free agency, and I can’t imagine free agents are too enthusiastic about signing with Miami. With pitchers, though, they could at least emphasize their stadium’s favorable park factors. Someone like Ian Kennedy– who has largely struggled with giving up HRs this year– would probably appreciate pitching in Miami.
Ray Ray
But Ian Kennedy’s current park (Petco) is among the best at holding down home runs, so he’s probably not the best example.
ryan211
I thought of that too, but oddly enough, Petco pales in comparison to Miami in suppressing HRs.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor/_/sort/HRFactor
formerlyz
As reported earier: “You go beyond Kolek, and you get to guys who are not top 200- or 300-type guys,” says BA’s J.J. Cooper. “I have talked to scouts who struggle to name a player or two they project as future regulars from the Marlins’ position-player prospects.”
Maybe if the marlins hadn’t given away all of their young depth in terrible trades, and maybe if they didn’t make ridiculous choices in the early rounds of the last 2 drafts, this would be different. Look at the roster, subtract Dee Gordon and Miguel Rojas, and add Andrew Heaney, Anthony DeSclafani, Enrique Hernandez, and Austin Barnes. Then consider the added years of control with those players, as well as the money the Marlins SHOULD have to spend, with so little payroll committed. This should have been a good year, after a good building year in 2014, and this offseason should have been the time to add to our core with a free agent or 2, but instead, we’re trying to recover from the incredibly dumb moves made in this past year, and we have no depth, which is why injuries played such a big part in our season, and what we can rely on next year (Fernandez durability for the full season, Alvarez coming back from shoulder surgery, and Cosart being a #2-3 SP or a borderline backend of the rotation/better off in the bullpen guy).
Now we have the confirmed reports about Ozuna, which we kind-of already knew, but the wording of Loria being “disappointed in him” is so typical Loria. The Marlins need at least 2 SPs and 3 bullpen arms, including someone that can get lefties out, and another arm that can pitch at the backend of the bullpen, as well as a new manager that doesn’t make moves that make you want to rip your eyes out. I like John Lackey at 2 years, Scott Kazmir at 4 (or maybe a Brett Anderson for 2 years with an option), Oliver Perez at 3, among other options that should be available in our price range (though I don’t see that happening)…So now Ozuna’s being moved for something we just gave away. Personally, if we go this route, and don’t spend a bit of the money we should have available to spend, with so little money committed, we might as well retool and trade Ozuna, Gordon, Prado, Koehler, AJ Ramos, Bryan Morris, Mike Dunn, David Phelps, and Brad Hand and hope to get lucky with some lower tier free agents and health in 2016, and target 2017 and 2018 for contention. The mistakes made in the last year, with bad moves, as well as injuries that impact us beyond this season, as well as a lost year in our minor league system, has left us with a situation with no organizational depth, and in need to once again revamp our system
Brixton
Lackey isn’t going to sign in Miami.
You’d give 3 years to Oliver Perez?
I agree with retooling but you might as well keep some of the young guys. Keep Ramos and Hand. I’d keep Ozuna too, no point in selling low on him. Prado could bring back something nice, as could Gordon.
formerlyz
I would assume Perez will get 3 years, and we need someone that can get lefties out in the bullpen desperately. I would be wary of doing so, but that’s what we’ve seen guys like him get recently…
Personally, I would prefer to add to what we have. I’m not saying I want them to trade Ozuna or Ramos. I’m just saying what I think they’ll do with Ozuna, and if they’re going to do that, they might as well retool and move all of those guys. They’re pretty much the only pieces we have with any value
Brixton
The Oliver Perez with an ERA of 4.14 that is 34 years old?
formerlyz
I haven’t looked at his numbers in a couple of weeks. If that’s where the ERA currently sits, it must have been a really bad couple of weeks. His age isn’t as much of a concern considering the ages of a lot of lefty specialists.
It doesn’t necessarily have to be him. I just want someone that can get lefties out in our bullpen
Brixton
I think they know they aren’t going to compete with what they have. I’d trade Prado, Gordon and i’d listen on Fernandez. If I got blown away on Fernandez (or Stanton, for that matter) I’d atleast consider.
Gordon could fit in with a few teams. Imagine a Donaldson/EE/Joey Bats/Tulo with Revere and Gordon hitting infront of them.
Prado would make sense for KC. Would take the Zobrist spot on the team.
citizen
The marlins are one owner away from another World Series
Phillies2017
The Marlins have the pieces to win, they just need to get some of the dead weight off of their roster and fill those spots with young, cheap, high upside type guys. Injuries have killed them as well, but still, a lineup consisting of Ozuna, Stanton, Yelich, Hech, Realmuto and Dee Gordon and a rotation consisting of Alvarez and Fernandez should have success.
whodunnit
Agree.
everlastingdave
They’ve still got multiple years of Stanton and Fernandez if they want them. Fans aren’t showing up and they aren’t spending money anyway, so get some decent player development people in place, let it take however long it takes, and do it right for once. This yo-yo of fake rebuilding and fake contending is disgusting.
whodunnit
Attendance is up from last year, so that’s not really true. But you can’t blame fans for not showing up in droves when its ownership essentially screws them over.
A'sfaninUK
I don’t think the Marlins are in nearly as bad shape as this piece paints them to be. Full seasons from Stanton + Fernandez and the addition of another frontline SP probably put them well over .500 this season. They aren’t that far off.
whodunnit
The key word is “healthy.” When everyone is healthy, you’re right, this is at least a .500 team. But the problem is when the injury bug hits, they don’t have the necessary depth to compensate.
jigokusabre
The Marlins need to pick a long term plan and stick with it. Buy big in 2012, sell everything in 2013, wait it out in 2014, trade everything and “win now” in 2015…