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afenton530
Didn’t think nori aoki was a reliever. Especially cause he played left most of the year
Cockamamie Jamie
I like how you insert your snarky observation of a typo, yet, have seemingly no handle on sentence structure or proper grammar. I believe we refer to that as ironic. 🙂
Anonymous 6
O gr8 itz buzCillingte
Kershawshank Redemption 2
The more of these I read, the quicker I realize that Ben Zobrist is about to get paid.
Steve Adams
The Zobrist contract is going to stun some people, considering his age, but I can plausibly see him being a fit for 20-some teams. His market is going to be extremely competitive.
cxcx
1. Peavy is missing from the initial guaranteed contracts list.
2. “Greinke is the consensus second-best pitcher.”
…………………Price……Greinke
’15rWAR……5.9………9.3
’15fWAR……6.4………5.9
14-15rW……10.7…….13.6
14-15fW……12.5…….10.3
13-15rW……13.5…….17.5
13-15fW……16.9…….13.7
Hope the “formatting” makes the “chart” readable, but yeah it doesn’t seem so consensus. In terms of who will get the biggest contract, sure; but not who is the best.
3. “Then there’s Andrew Susac is a very promising young backstop who could free Posey to spend more time at first.” This could use some editing.
4. My attempt to space out the columns in (2) properly has resulted in slashes all over the place. I don’t know how computers work…
Jeff Todd
Re 1 and 3, duly noted and edited, thank you.
Re 2, I don’t believe the term “best” means anything without context. In this context, “best” free agent pitcher is really much the same as biggest prize or most valuable. I obviously didn’t mean to raise any discussion about on-field performance, directly anyway, since I didn’t provide any parameters to judge (we talking one batter, one game, one season, past, present, future, whole career? etc).
Value is more precise, perhaps, but if I’d used that I’d be facing a comment pointing out that their value is subjective and yet to be determined.
Justin 21
I think the issue here is the proclamation of a “consensus”. Big idea to throw around. Better to stick with “probable” or something less conclusive.
mrnatewalter
For the life of me, I cannot understand why Ian Kennedy get so much attention. -0.4 bWAR cumulative from 13-15, 84 ERA+, 4.06 FIP.
I don’t understand how any contending team considers this guy any higher than a #4 or #5 pitcher at this point…
RedRooster
Kennedy was inconsistent this year but fits the profile of an innings eater. He will usually make it to 200 IP with an ERA below 4. And get that 13-15 stat out of here! Pitcher wins and losses are the most useless stat in baseball.
mrnatewalter
“From 13-15” meaning spanning from 2013 to 2015, not win/loss total. I see where the confusion lies, however. If I could change it now, I would.
RedRooster
My bad. i should have realized what you were talking about. That isn’t even Kennedy’s record. Regardless, he’s a nice second-tier arm and has a darn good track record at AT&T Park. I’ve always thought the Giants might be interested simply based on that but we’ll see.
mrnatewalter
Since 2011, he has thrown a sub-4 ERA just once: 2014.
He’s also thrown 200+ IP just twice in that span: 2014, 2012.
I’m just not seeing it.
thomaslear
Can someone explain the latter have of this statement in parenthesis to me, “The team has a fair amount of cash on the books already for next year (about $120MM, before arb) and 2016 (~$73MM, pre-arb), but little thereafter.” Should it actually read,”…and 2017 (~$73MM, pre-arg)” or am I just slow?
Steve Adams
Should read 2017. Fixed it. Thanks.
thomaslear
No worries. Thanks for the clarification!
obsessivegiantscompulsive
Nicely done! I see nothing to add or correct, you covered everything of import to the Giants this off-season, and well at that.
jayq
except it fails to acknowledge the change from Sabean to Evans as the GM/trader. This is Evans debut off season, and I think it will demonstrate how much freedom he has/hasn’t. I for one am anxious to see some significant shape shifting.
SofaKingCool1
” This is Evans debut off season, and I think it will demonstrate how much freedom he has/hasn’t.”
How would you know how much was Evans, and how much was Sabean as part of any signing/trade?
I suspect Evans will make most of the moves, but Sabean will surely have input and will have to bless any big deals or signings.
Jeff Todd
Thanks!
jayq
I thought this was a well written analysis, except you forgot mention that 2016 will be Bobby Evans debut as off season GM/trader.
Jeff Todd
I guess I did. But he’s been such an influential presence there already, and there’s so much continuity, and he’s already been in office for a while. So I feel it’s more a point of interest than some essential thing to refer to.
mcflynn42
I’d like to see the Giants do the following in this order:
Trade Susac, Crick, and Arroyo for Kemp/Tyson Ross, where the Giants pick up $60MM of Kemp’s remaining contract
Sign Samardizja to a 5-Year, $95MM contract
Sign Sipp to a 2-Year, $14MM contract
Trade Petit for whatever they can get, and move Cain to LR role
Sign Lincecum to a 1-Year, incentive laden deal