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corey
I always liked Aramis and he did some great things in a Cub uniform. I do think at times he became lazy and complacent throughout his years as a baseball player. I think had he conditioned more and played harder we might be looking at a Hall of Famer.
batman
You can tell thru a TV screen/ possibly attending a handful of games a season that he didnt always “play hard”? On top of that you know his conditioning schedule/what he did during the off-season? Comments like these are way out of line
ilikebaseball 2
Aramis should of won the gold glove over Wright in ’07. Thought he got robbed that year. I always enjoyed him as a Cubs fan, came up clutch a lot in those first 5 years.
mike156
i remember how controversial the trade from the Pirates was at the time–they were stripping down and unloading salary, and Ramirez was already getting expensive. They traded two regulars (Lofton as well) for a spare part to get salary relief. Interesting career.
MLBTRS
Ramirez’ WAR is a typical problem regarding saber metrics: BB Reference has him a 32.1 and FanGraphics 38.3. It’s a highly-subjective system that’s open to all sorts of interpretation. A line of .318/.373/.578 is universally a superstar, but you’ll have people involved in saber metrics claim otherwise, based on an equation that’s neither relevant or logical.
disgruntledreader 2
It’s NOT highly subjective. There are different OBJECTIVE measurements involved in the two different sets of data, but it would be just as absurd to say “he had a .283 average and .341 on-base percentage, so you can see those are subjective stats.”
You can have SUBJECTIVE opinions on which different data points are more or less valuable in evaluating a player. Your failure to understand an equation does not speak to whether it is either relevant or logical.
jd396
Most of the people who disregard WAR don’t get how it’s calculated. It’s not like they’re aren’t weak areas, and it’s silly to ignore everything else and just run with WAR, but it’s a very good way to compare players to each other. The more you look at what adds up to teams winning games, the more arbitrary some of the traditional stats look.
You can test a new stat with the Babe Ruth test. Does WAR say that Babe Ruth was ridiculously good? Yes. Therefore, WAR has at least some merit.
Metsfan93
A .318/.373/.578 line in 2004 is a lot less superstar-like. There were eleven players that season with higher SLG – including two other third basemen having MVP-caliber seasons. He was 41st in OBP. He was 14th in AVG. If you give him the 12th best SLG, 41st best OBP, and 14th best AVG in 2015, with very negative baserunning and slightly negative defense, he’d hit .306/.356/.540 and look a good bit like David Peralta, with worse baserunning and better defense. Peralta hit .312/.371/.522 this season and posted a 3.7 WAR mark.
twitchwashere 2
Just average them out.