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rivera42
The Reds liked the Dodgers package over the Sox? Yeah, that makes no sense to me, but to each their own.
Brixton
Am I the only one that thinks the Dodgers made out like bandits, the ChiSox did okay, and the Reds got absolutely mugged?
Kayrall
I think that’s how most people feel about this trade.
sportingdissent
None of the players the Dodgers got have a particularly high ceiling. You might not be the only one to feel that way, but your solace is in the fact that others are wrong with you. The Dodgers come out last.
rivera42
You’re not the only one at all. I said so much to that effect in another forum, especially with the Dodgers intake on this trade and last year when they moved Olivera. Teams are just bending over for them it seems. They’ve managed to turn Olivera into a number of assets.
sr550
Olivera and about $30 million, but I agree that the Dodgers did well on this trade
fred-3
I like it for the Sox. Trading Montas is easier when having Quintana, Sale, Fulmer, Rondon, Adams… although they desperately need to add an OF with quality
seamaholic 2
Not really. Peraza is the best prospect in the deal in my opinion. Montas is a big arm but a two pitch guy who is probably headed to the pen. There are plenty of guys around like that. Thompson is a classic AAAA or maybe 4th or 5th OF type. To me, White Sox win this trade, the Reds did fine, and the Dodgers just treaded water.
freddyballgame2
Adam LaRoushe refuses to hit to left. Every pitcher in the American League knows that he looks for a ball out over the outer half and he’ll chase pitches outside the strike zone. Once he has 2 strikes on him he’ll swing at anything. He is as close to an automatic out as you’ll find. If he would try to hit to the opposite field, he would get few hits and then the pitchers would have to adjust their approach. Until then he is useless to the White Sox.
westcoastwhitesox
I’ve heard that comment about Adam Laroche other places. Is that common? A MLB player refusing to adjust their game after the opponents totally figured them out?
BlueSkyLA
The Reds really seemed to want Peraza. And why not? He’s closer to MLB ready than Johnson, who is three years older and approaching his sell-by date. Seems those who feel the Dodgers stole something in this trade are overrating Johnson and Montas and underrating Peraza.
fred-3
Or maybe your overrating a light hitting infielder who doesn’t walk, doesn’t hit for any power, and profiles as a utility player?
ew032
No. I agree that the Dodgers appear to have gotten the better end of the deal, but it remains to be seen either on the field or in other deals that the 3 prospects are involved in.
southsidesox15
Disagree. The Sox got the best part of this deal. They got the 3B they’ve needed for years and with his power at the very HR friendly US Cellular, Frazier should do even better in Chicago then he did in Cincinnati. They gave up 3 prospects that are career bench warmers. Johnson is horrible. Thompson is a career back up, if that. Montas has talent but lacks control.
The Dodgers and Reds did OK but honestly none of these prospects they got are that great.
freddyballgame2
I think you’re wrong about Trayce Thompson. He looked good in a September call up and I think he has a pedigree of atheleticism. I predict he will be the highlight of this trade for the Dodgers. But, still, the Sox got the best part of this deal because they needed a stud 3rd baseman.
sportingdissent
Thompson is a career .24o hitter in the minors. six weeks of September callups doesn’t eliminate years of lack of skill. He’ll be out of the league in a few years.
freddyballgame2
I do not agree that Thompson is a career back up. He has the potential to be a star player that the Sox may regret giving up.
Blu2016
Reds needed to get mugged ! After trying to push damaged goods with Chapman.
Champan value all time low at this point. He will go at trading dealing mid season
Frazier trade just proves Reds aren’t serious to compete anytime soon .. Phillips next!
A'sfaninUK
I disagree with the common response of this deal and think Schebler is a sneaky good player who can and probably will be the Reds everyday LF next year. Then they got Peraza, who is a total lock to be the everyday 2B all year. So the Reds are rebuilding and got two potentially everyday pieces for one, I don’t see what the problem is, when I also believe the guys the Dodgers got aren’t that good at all. Montas is slightly overrated in that he’s probably going to top out as an everyday reliever. Thompson might be also top out as what everyone else is saying about Schebler and Johnson is really, really bad at baseball, period. If the Dodgers are going to play him everyday, yikes.
FWIW: Steamer has Frazier at 3.3 fWAR next year, so it’s not like he’s a megastar gamechanger in the first place.
I’m saying the things that the general consensus aren’t realizing here is that Frazier is overrrated, the Dodgers package is overrated and the Reds package is being really underrated right now by everyone.
gobraves46
In comparison of the prospect packages involved, I definitely think the Dodgers did better. Peraza and Johnson are pretty comparable: both have amazing speed and decent-above avg defense (though Peraza is much more versatile) with, as of right now, sub-par bats (think Billy Hamilton). Schebler and Thompson are sort of comparable in the sense that they are both looking like future 4th outfielders, although Thompson is younger and showed more prowess at the big league level last year. The real difference here is the fact that the Dodgers got Frankie Montas, who throws in the upper 90s with a good slider. The White Sox kind of gave up on him as a starter because he was primarily a 2-pitch pitcher, but even if he becomes a lights out reliever the Dodgers still did better because all they gave up was Brandon Dixon, a light-hitting utility infielder who ranked(s) outside both the Dodgers and Reds top 30 prospects (mlb.com). Prospects are hard, and close to impossible to predict, but it seems that the Dodgers might be the long term winners of this trade. So stop complaining Dodger fans, I think you won this deal.
BlueSkyLA
Big shrug. Johnson is actually rated as a below-average defender at this point and he’s also a LHB so he can’t be platooned with Utley as Peraza might have been. Difficult to see how he fits into this roster. Thompson is arguably a marginal upgrade over Schebler in that he can play CF. Montas throws hard but is wild. The bright side is he’s young, so maybe his wildness can be fixed. Still he’s a project that may or may not pay off.
mhowe31296
If they were platooning Johnson, it would be with Hernandez, not Utley.
BlueSkyLA
That makes no sense at all.
highheat
I don’t know where you got your prospect rankings, but it sure wasn’t MLB’s site, Peraza is listed as the Reds #1 prospect and #24 in the top 100, so… Yeah, don’t think I can take you seriously.
freddyballgame2
Don’t count Thompson out.
arc89
So here how the Sonny Gray trade goes for the dodgers. Dodgers calling we would like Gray off your team what would it take to get him? First it would be a package of Cory Seager and includes DeLeon and Montas. Dodgers that is way to much! You asked what it would take? So you are not trading him without a over pay? Exactly.
Philliesfan4life
Actually it would take Urias
greatd
Adam LaRoche ain’t going anywhere unless they eat most of the money.
Priggs89
Adam LaRoche ain’t going anywhere unless they eat *ALL* of the money.
southsidesox15
I don’t see him going anywhere either, unfortunately.
Maybe a team who needs a bat and is willing to take a chance on him might bite but I don’t think any team is that stupid after the train wreck season he had last year.
The best option for the Sox would be to just pay him outright and then release him just to make room on the roster for someone else.
freddyballgame2
I think the Sox are stuck with LaRoushe. But unless he shows that he can hit like expected, Robin should let him ride the bench. An American League team can not compete without a bonifide DH.
sponspie
Let’s see how these fellas turn out before we figure out who got the better end of the deal
freddyballgame2
The Sox sorely needed a stud 3rd baseman, and I think they got one in Frazier. However, don’t be too quick to disregard Trayce Thompson. I think time will tell that he has the tools to be a big time player. I predict that he will turn out to be a .290/25/100 type player.
hitless1
You don’t make trades to “win” the trade. You make a trade to better your team, fill a need. That’s what the Sox did. Makes it easier to trade in the future if you don’t “win” the trade.
Bandit7
Frazier should be alright with the White Sox