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Lefty_Orioles_Fan
The Orioles might have to cave here, if they want Parra.
If they don’t want to cough up the coin for Upton.
If they don’t want to trade for CarGo
If they don’t want to give up a draft choice.
Quite frankly, I like Parra, I know he tailed off but I do still like him.
So there, you have my opinion
willm
Eh, I’m actually kind of backpedaling on Parra for the Angels. I know he has plus defense and some speed, but in Angels stadium I just feel like his OPS is going to linger in the mid .600’s OPS-wise over the span of a 3 year deal.
If we miss on a big name FA left fielder, I’d rather trade for like Blackmon, Bruce, or someone else. I’ll be honest, I value offense over defense… we do need a lefty bat, but I’d like Cespedes if Arte will splurge.
bkbkbk
Upton or trade route for the Angels. Prediction: upton is the only player who outperforms his contract.
Philliesfan4life
I don’t think Arte wants to blow money on an outfielder and get burned again like he did with hamilton
DoolittleDoolate
Arte is a businessman. He knows just because something doesn’t work, doesn’t mean you can stop trying. You win some, you lose some.
hallzilla 2
Seems the Angels are losing more often than they win……CJ Wilson, Hamilton.
YourDaddy
Why would you think the 28 year old Parra would regress that much from his career .730 OPS?
ryanw-2
You’re basically talking about every position player who has ever come to the Angels. The Big A often has the opposite effect from Coors, although not quite as extreme as Petco.
Ray Ray
Parra and Carlos Gonzalez were childhood buddies in Venezuela. If he comes to the Rockies, I would imagine it is to play with CarGo again. If he signs, I would bet Blackmon is dealt to the Angels within 48 hours. There are also rumors of Dickerson possibly moving to first base as well because of his poor throwing arm.
Personally, I would rather the Rockies just try and sign Gallardo with that money instead, but I am resigned to that not happening.
Philliesfan4life
I hope the angels could swing a deal for Blackmon, they keep talking about it on the mlb network, and saying the rockies could ask for Bedrosion and Tropeano
seamaholic 2
Seems like a fair deal and a necessary one for both sides. Although if I’m the Rockies I ask for someone other than Bedrosian.
SoCalShu
And as an Angels fan I was thinking sweet no more Cam….
willm
I would be very down for that swap! Seems fair too trying to be unbiased (I’m an Angels fan)
Slipknot37
I like how harding has parra’s agent linked to the baseball player of the same name. Anyways, if rockies get him, trade blackmon for a prospect
jules
Parra has a decent BA and his defense is more than adequate for the Big A, I would think Parra fits nicely in the Angels OF along with Calhoun and Trout. Signing Parra would need a lot of creativity from Eppler (back-loading his contract) and possibly trading a big salary player for another infield/bullpen option.
Philliesfan4life
They are talking about maybe the angels trade Tropeano + Bedrosion for Blackmon
seamaholic 2
Back loading his contract is irrelevant. Doesn’t help with luxury tax (which is based on an average value over the course of the contract). And they don’t really have a big salary who’s movable. Maybe CJ Wilson, but they’d have to cover a big chunk, and he’s their #2 or #3 and quite a useful pitcher.
Blackmon fits perfectly financially, and skills-wise. They have to make that deal.
Philliesfan4life
I hope they can make a deal happen because I am not sold on Gentry and Nava, they could of been better of bringing back murphy
SoCalShu
I haven’t liked the LF additions from their announcement.
The part I’m concerned w/ Blackmon is his splits. I’m curious if he has tailored his swing/approach to playing in Denver and if he can make some adjustments to help balance himself out.
SoCalShu
Backing loading his contract isn’t the issue. His AAV will put them over so a back loaded contract doesn’t fix that.
1Tough9
“Gonzalez comes up must often as a trade candidate due to his more limited control (two years) than that of Blackmon (three years) or Dickerson (four years).”
Perhaps a typo in this sentence Steve?
justinept
He’s viewing it from the Rox perspective. They bring up CarGo more in trade talk because the Rox control him for fewer years.
Philliesfan4life
CarGo needs to show he is healthy in spring training , then I can see teams trying to make a trade for him
Ray Ray
The same CarGo that was healthy and hit more than 40 homers in 2015? If he has to prove he is healthy after that season, then shouldn’t everyone? CarGo is not Tulo. His prior injuries were of the fluke variety not the degenerative variety. He had a tumor removed from his finger in 2014 and that killed his season because his swing just wasn’t right until the finger healed. He was hit by a foul ball in 2013 and missed several weeks with a deep bone bruise. Neither of those is an injury that is worthy of labeling him as “injury-prone.”
SoCalShu
Even if a player has freak injuries….if he spends a lot of time on DL yearly he’s still injury prone…
Ray Ray
I completely disagree. Injury prone means someone that habitually pulls muscles or break bones due to lack of conditioning, being out of shape, or just being genetically unlucky. It also means that the injuries are very likely to happen again in the future. Freak accidents and weird medical issues are not likely to be repeatable, therefore he is not prone to them.
cxcx
As is usually the case, the typo is a slightly misspelled word (must vs most) rather than something completely different such as a misordering of various players’ trade likelihoods.
angelsfansince74
The Angels best case scenario would be trade Santiago and Escobar to the Yankees for Gardner. Tropeano Cam for Blackmon. Then trade Cron and Sales for a third baseman. Move Calhoun to first base. The Angels could have a lineup like this
1: Gardner
2: Calhoun
3: Trout
4: Pujols
5: Blackmon
6: Perez
7: Giovonie
8: third base
9: Simmons
Philliesfan4life
I think Blackmon makes a lot of sense for the angels, Trade Cam and Tropeano for him and then left field is settled and they are still under the luxury tax
angelsfansince74
What would be better if CJ Wilson opens up to more teams he would accept a trade to
Philliesfan4life
I think if they were willing to trade cj wilson, teams would wait till spring to see if he is healthy, but then the angels are going to have eat like 12 million on his contract.
angelsfansince74
If Dipoto had taken the Giants offer for Wilson last year this wouldn’t be a problem now
Philliesfan4life
What was the deal the giants offered? also we could be saying the same when the angels asked for CarGo and the angels didn’t want to trade shoemaker, they could of had ben revere for trevor gott
angelsfansince74
The Angels wouldn’t have gotten much back. The Giants offered a couple of b level prospects. But were willing to take on the remaining of Wilson’s contract. The CarGo for Shoemaker trade was another Dipoto nontrade. The Angels were looking for protection for Pujols, Revere was not that player. Murphy trade made more sense.
Philliesfan4life
Murphy should of been brought back, I don’t understand why they didn’t pick up his option. They have 40 million coming off the books next year, Wilson being a big chunk of that and Weaver, but I hope Weaver is kept, I thought of something, if they don’t spend big on an outfielder this year maybe they wait and sign reddick next year
angelsfansince74
With all the needs the Angels have picking up Murphy’s 7 million option would have limited other options. Especially since the Angels could still bring him back for less. As for the 40 million coming off the books. If Richards Santiago and Calhoun all repeat this past season they will eat 12 to 15 million of that 40 million. I would still like the Angels trade Escobar and Cron to a team like Pittsburgh and bring in Alvarez to dh and sign Freese and a short term deals.
ryanw-2
They’re not paying $7 million for a guy who is 34 and only starting against RHP.
ryanw-2
Where did you hear of this CarGo non trade? I asked Jeff Fletcher and he had no knowledge of it.
Philliesfan4life
I don’t think they would trade Escobar after they gave up Gott to get him, I can see them trading Cron but they would need him to play first while Pujols is going to be on the dl to start the season. I agree on Alvarez
angelsfansince74
The Rockies offered CarGo for Shoemaker in May when the Angels and Rockies were playing a 2 game series. Dipoto turned down the trade offer. Which started the arguing between Dipoto and Scioscia up again. Scioscia wanted CarGo and Dipoto wanted Either.
SoCalShu
You seem to be very down on Escobar. IMO he will be better then what they have gotten or would get out of Freese…
SoCalShu
I haven’t read it from anyone credible either….just random posters comments
SoCalShu
For 1 what 3b could be had for Cron and Salas? Not one that’s better then Escobar who you proposed be traded away for Gardner(mistake IMO)
Moving Calhoun to 1b is a waste of his talent and arm
IMO you need to stop trying to play GM….
ASapsFables
As a left-handed hitter with very favorable platoon splits versus right-handed pitching, Gerardo Parra profiles best as the primary partner at a corner outfield position with a right-handed batter who holds similarly good splits against southpaw pitching. Parra versatility would also allow him to be a backup in CF.
Parra might be an excellent, less costly addition to the Angels as their primary LF in a platoon with right-handed hitting Craig Gentry. Parra’s career triple slash line versus right-handed pitching of .289/.335/.432 matches up nicely with Gentry’s line of .274/.354/.366 against southpaws.
Philliesfan4life
I said Parra from the beginning but they could end up trading for Blackmon
isolatedpower
While Brett Gardner to the Yankees makes sense, the idea that the Yankees want to do business with the Angels in a non-salary dump situation wouldn’t makes sense unless the haul is high enough to justify a trade within the American League. Gardy to the Rockies makes more sense, and Blackmon to the Angels would be a better fit financially for the Angels salary cap status.
YourDaddy
Parra’s BABIP for the 2015 season was in line with his career numbers, so teams can probably expect a season very similar to 2015 or at least in line with his career numbers on offense.
rct
I feel like whoever signs him will immediately regret it. His last six seasons of rWAR are: 0.7, 1.9, 2.7, 4.5, 0.1, and 0.4. rWAR: 0.5, 3.0, 1.9, 6.1, -0.3, and 1.0.
That outlier season of 4.5/6.1 WAR was because of anomalously high defensive numbers, which have steadily declined since. I honestly don’t see him as more than a 2 WAR player going forward unless he greatly improves his hitting. He should jump on whoever offers him three years. In this market, Daniel Murphy could only get three years and he’s a better hitter and much more consistent.
rct
And yes, I realize Murph had a QO, but still.
ASapsFables
“Apple and oranges” with Gerardo Parrra and Daniel Murphy.
Parra profiles best as a platoon corner outfield with the added ability to backup in CF. Despite decent to good defense, Parra’s power numbers don”t play favorably at the corner outfield spots.
Murphy is a versatile infielder who has primarily played 2B in his career but will likely see more time at 3B or 1B with below average defensive metrics at the keystone position. His bat and power gave him added value at 2B, but still might profile OK at 3B, less so at 1B except in a platoon role.
Murphy has generally been a better left-handed hitting option than Parra, especially when it comes to his power output which had to be negatively affected by playing half his games in a “pitcher-friendly” venue in New York. Parra might be the better defender, but that value is somewhat diminished as a corner OF.
seamaholic 2
Murphy gives it all back on D.
Dhphxaz
Dude
willm
Blackmon’s splits are weird… he is overwhelming better at Coors, but last year he had more HR’s away from Coors almost the same amount of doubles… it’s all the singles (and he has 8 triples as opposed to 1 away) that make the difference.
slasher016
Wonder if the Reds and Rockies could be a match for Dickerson. Reds have a lot of question marks in the outfield (especially if they move Bruce), and Dickerson is still cheap and controllable, Reds have a ton of young arms that are MLB ready or very close.