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bluejaysfan55
Yes the Pirates are a bunch of genius’s batting McCutchen 2nd, I wonder if they learned it anywhere..
dwilson10
The Pirates should consider hitting Cutch in the leadoff spot. Move Harrison to 2nd and Marte 3rd.
lonleylibertarian
No – but they should consider the Joe M approach and bat Locke and vogelsong 8 – or even 7 – expect each of them to pitch 5 innings and then go for a pinch hitter
dwilson10
It was just a thought. But I agree with hitting the pitcher 7 or 8. It has worked well for Joe with the Cubs
EndinStealth
Lol that you call it the Joe M approach.
danplaysdrums
My man used the word “because” three times in one sentence. Nice!
mickeyposkonski
Please learn how to spell Holliday. He’s been around a few years. You’ll need it this year.
Thank you.
timyanks
Holliday wasn’t mentionedin this posting. Holaday was. spelling is correct.
chri
Please learn to read an article before posting a comment. You’ll need it this year.
Thank you.
lonleylibertarian
I hate spelling/grammar trolls – get a life
chri
Lol it wasn’t even a spelling error. Holliday and Holaday are two completely different players.
bartoloshomie
Matt Holliday is a ballplayer; he plays for the Cardinals. The Cardinals were never mentioned in the posting. Bryan Holaday is also a ballplayer. He plays for the Tigers. Know your MLB players
Samuel
“……but the Pirates think they might be able to score more runs batting second, because he’ll get more plate appearances, but also because they’ll have his high on-base percentage closer to the top of the order and because he won’t be coming up with two outs and the bases empty so much.”
Right.
Instead of coming up to bat after the #1 and #2 hitter, he’ll see more runners on base coming up to bat after the #9 and #1 hitter.
The main reason I don’t like watching the new wave statistical-driven teams play is that they have no baseball common sense. They all play not to lose on the field, and then come up with something like this which is supposed to put the team over the top because the front office is so smart. Hint -it’s the players on the field that have to make the smart decisions.
ronnsnow
Sorry that you’re still stuck in 1974. Ignoring the statistical evidence that exists is just plain stupid.
Samuel
Please don’t tell me how “plain stupid” I am.
MLB teams have been using statistics for over 40 years now. All teams use them, In fact, teams have so many people looking at statistics day-and-night that it’s now become absurd – recently the Red So cut back on some people……and I have to wonder if the Dodgers put up a new building to house all their statistical “advisers”. You missed where I wrote “the new wave statistical-driven teams”. Teams such as the Royals and Giants (how many WS have they been in the last 2-5 years?) use statistics. But they also play solid fundamental baseball, and they don’t comprise what they’re doing to try tricky little things. We have a lot of front offices that are more concerned with establishing themselves as some sort of sages, instead of building teams that can win.
In this case – of batting a run-producer 2nd – that is exactly the over the top stuff these people are coming up with. For well over 100 years the smart teams had their main run producers batting 4th (not 3rd……that has come in the past 20 years as a way of flattering their highest paid hitter). The guys hitting 1st and 2nd were generally contact hitters with a good appreciation of the strike zone, so they got on base a lot, and they were usually solid baserunners. The #3 hitter was a good overall hitter, one that usually had more speed and hit with less power then the #4 hitter. The 4th guys job was to hit in the guys on base. See, that’s why the 4th hitter was referred to as – “the clean-up hitter”. But that was a time when the object was to score more runs in a game then the other team, which is how teams win games. Now the object is to come up with some overall stats that get one invited to speak at the Sloan conference.
Samuel
I guess the Giants and Royals should bat Posey and Hosmer 2nd.
herecomethephillies2018
People called Clint Hurdle crazy when he started using defensive shifts for hitters 1-9, all based off of statistical analysis. I’m an old school guy myself, but Hurdle knows more about baseball than you (or I) could ever dream of. There’s a reason why he’s managing an MLB team and we’re writing comments online.
cardfan2011
Im really glad Cards were able to get a SS without giving up prospects. And it’s only a one year deal, there are no bad one year deals
Hking204
@cardfan2011 No bad one year deals?? LMAO Roger Clemons deal in 2007 lol
donniebaseball
Bryan Holliday will either make the roster or be traded. Regardless of the two options, he has really helped himself this spring.
AshtonLover
Thanks Donnie didn’t catch that from the article
timyanks
brian holaday, no relation to matt holliday
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