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Out of place Met fan
A few thoughts on Giles;
A very expensive acquisition for a set up man
Hinch will be able to deploy Giles in high leverage situations without concern of using his closer in non save situations.
The decision saves the Astros millions in the long run
Niekro
Davis and Betances are proving the best pitcher in your bullpen should not be the closer any more.
Out of place Met fan
Agree
stymeedone
Really? Davis is KC’s closer.
baseballrat
Stros have 5yrs of control, so there is no valued finalized in this acquisition as of yet. He could become the closer by May, who knows?
Out of place Met fan
5 prospects for a set up man would be a lot, that’s without considering how highly some were thought of.
As for the savings…saves pay in arbitration,
And if Gregerson continues to prove capable I really like the move
A'sfaninUK
Think of it more like: “5 prospects for a shutdown reliever who can pitch in any inning”.
tac3
yup…. the trade looks absolutely horrible for the Astros today.
A'sfaninUK
Stros should do what the A’s did with Doolittle and sign him to a deal that buys out some arby years, like a 5/30 deal so it won’t matter if he closes and saves 50 games, which would normally skyrocket his salary into the $10M a year range.
mike156
Maybe it’s just me, but “fibrous tearing” in the elbow doesn’t sound so good.
sergelang
Setup men have more value to a team than a closer. I know it is the fashionable thing to want to believe closers are important, but, frankly, it just isn’t true. Setup men pitch in higher leverage spots, generate more value for the team, and are far more important. Your best reliever should be your setup man. Closers are a fantasy idea, not a real life thing.
A'sfaninUK
That’s not true, but what is true is that a good reliever is a good reliever, title be damned.
Can’t wait til we get over this and stop giving titles to relievers, they’re such a fickle lot it’s rather silly to give them specific roles. If a reliever holds LH hitters to a sub .500 OPS and there’s 3 lefties due up, then that pitcher should pitch to them no matter what inning it is. Relievers are matchup guys, and we have that idea already in place with LOOGYs and whatnot, but we have this entirely arbitrary “closer/setup” dichotomy that just doesn’t make sense in terms of pitcher management. If a reliever is good, then you you use him in the most important leverage situation. If you need to end the game, bring in the guy who will get the outs based on matchups, it’s that simple.
Saves, along with pitcher win-loss record and holds, should also be done away with entirely. Quality Start % for starters and Clean Inning % for relievers. All ya need!
baseballrat
Quote Brian Kinney much?? I can see the REAL baseball people dislike saber know it Alls.
stymeedone
When I look at last year’s numbers, I tend to see that the pitcher used in the highest leverage situations was the CLOSER. (Bill James Handbook).
baseballrat
No doubt in my mind that their is a HUGE difference between gettin 3 outs in the 8th as opposed to gettin 3 outs to close the game.
IndianaBob
Bigger difference coming in with guys on the bases instead of them being empty.