With the Angels being out of it, I wonder if they would be willing to trade Mike Trout for a packge around Teheran?
livefastcyyoung 2
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Brixton
I mean, if you wanted to do Teheran, Inciarte, Swanson, Wisler, Albies, Allard and then some more,..
eilexx
Seriously? Tehran as the center piece for Trout? That’s just silly. Tehran is good, but not that. The only pitcher in baseball who realistically could be a centerpiece to a Trout deal is Noah Syndergaard. And then it would still a lot more to get him.
dodgers4life357
Kershaw not syndergaard
dmoyer31
You must be a Braves fan. I’m not an Angels fan and love the idea of prying him loose but there’s just no way it actually happens. Plus, Teheran just isn’t that good. If he ever leaves the NL East, the world will come to realize…
Bobby Sweet
The world knows, it’s just the Braves fans that want packages like Moncada+Benintendi+.
hanks1hammer
He does leave the NL East. The Braves have road games, you know. He pitched 7 innings against Boston and allowed 1 earned run. He pitched against the Cubs and went 7 innings and allowed 0 runs and 2 hits. He seems to do just fine against top tier batting line ups.
bringinit247
Two games is a huge sample size!
hanks1hammer
Not that you’re providing ANY evidence to the contrary, right?
chesteraarthur
Braves fans…
bravesfan1234
Feel free to actually add something constructive instead of simply wagging your finger and indicting entire fanbases constantly.
chesteraarthur
Ok. Teheran as a center piece for Trout is a horrible trade proposal.
Every proposal on here from braves fans is terrible. The over rating of Teheran is terrible. The failure to see that Vizcaino has struggled recently is terrible. Every one of CJ/Chris’ 2nd grade grammar, 4 team 40 player, organization swaping trades is terrible. Braves fans have become the most intolerable posters on this site. They should look around at other mlb players and trades that have occurred to get some basis for their attempts to pawn off Teheran on another team. Hint, you aren’t getting 2 top 15 prospects for him.
Constructive enough for ya?
bravesfan1234
Cool. I just wasn’t aware a couple of posters who keep making goofy trade proposals compose an entire fanbase. Not sure what you’re always angry about. Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to read this stuff.
dtipres
Add Freddie Freeman to Teheran and you “might” have a starting point in negotiations for Trout. But I don’t know who else the Braves have that the Angels would even be interested in, and it would take A LOT before the Angels would let Trout go.
halos101
stop wondering about ridiculous trades for trout. He’s not getting traded, especially for Teheran
Selkies
For real, you guys are baiting that Chris dude to come in here with his ridiculous proposals and giant wall-of-texts rambles about 17-team trades.
By the way, Teheran is a great pitcher. I’m not sure why we’re trying to discount that because he plays in the NL East.
bravosfan4life
You’re a moron I don’t want trout we would have to give everything we have gotten to land trout not worth it
Jeff Todd
Please don’t call people “moron.”
bringinit247
Might hurt people’s feelings
bravesfan1234
No. Just no. First of all, other Braves fans need to stop making foolish trade ideas revolving around Teheran. Secondly, the actual cost of acquiring Trout would be so steep it makes it unappealing. Trout is good, but I wouldn’t give up all our top prospects to get him.
gobraves46
Every fan base has their homers. I agree that braves fans need to stop overvaluing Julio. However I think the people who take these proposals seriously are just as annoying as the unrealistic fans who propose them in the first place. If you have to comment a simple “not gonna happen” or something to a crazy Trout trade then do it, But calling these people idiots or morons doesn’t help make them more informed baseball fans. Apologies for the rant, I just don’t like reading the comments of people yelling at each other…
Sam.rhodes16
FWIW, MLB The Show had freeman Teheran and Swanson headed to LAA for Trout in 2018 in my RTTS. So basically, this dude is an idiot.
aff10
Ah, MLB the Show trades. In one of my franchises in 2014, the Angels and Dodgers (both CPU) agreed on a one-for-one swap of Trout and Nick Buss. Suffice it to say fake Angels GM probably got fired for that one lol
dodgers4life357
Maybe the brewers probably for mike trout
dwhitt3
Lowrie only batting .283? Haha
Brixton
His overall slash line is rather weak.
Jeff Todd
I put the other numbers in there for a reason.
davidcoonce74
Hey jeff,
when does the guy with the 4 team/40 player trade proposals get his own chat? He is insistent, dedicated, does his homework, and I would absolutely love to participate in that chat, as I’m sure many other MLBTR readers would.
Selkies
I wonder what he’ll do if Julio Teheran ever gets traded.
Then again, I’m just waiting for him to be able to spell “Teheran” correctly.
deesnutz
Drew Pomeranz is under control until 2019. He’ll cost prospects in a trade.
jimmyz
I feel like the padres should keep him. Sure he’s not a centerpiece to build a staff around but the padres don’t have much of a MLB rotation or much help on the the way. Hedges, Renfroe, Blash and Wil Myers gives them a decent base to build an offense and starting 9 around for the near future but their pitching is pretty mediocre. Pomeranz could be a solid #2-3 for the next couple years to provide a bridge to better acquisitions/draft picks in the next couple years. Of course some team could always make an offer Pellet can’t refuse…
rr30
Interesting that Cozart moved down the list this week, despite continuing to hit well. I think some smart team will pick him up at the last minute and he will be very helpful for them in the playoffs, be it every day at SS or a utility/late inning defensive replacement.
Jeff Todd
Didn’t move him down, really, just other guys going up. Still unclear if a market will develop, and he’s not a pure rental. Playing great, though.
cubsfan24
I’d like to see the Cubs kick the tires on Matt Moore. He hasn’t been near the pitcher he was before TJS but I think he needs a change of scenery and maybe he can put it back together. I’d really like to see if they could get a package with Moore and Colome
Connorsoxfan
Tony Massarotti of Felger and Mazz radio just gave MLBTR a shoutout over the radio for ranking Hill the top trade candidate FYI.
Connorsoxfan
Edit: Top PITCHING trade candidate.
Screamer
I don’t think Valencia is going anywhere. One more year of control for the A’s plus a lot of other players to move; he’ll stay
criznit
Your “write-up” on Pomeranz is wrong and not very coherent as well.
Brixton
What’s is wrong with it…?
“Here’s another possibility for teams that don’t want to cough up prospects for a pitcher who’ll be a free agent in a few months’ time.”
Hes a guy who’s available and has control.
“San Diego is willing to deal, but probably won’t just take the highest offer for the emerging lefty.”
They’ll be willing to talk, but they aren’t going to just take the best offer to get a deal done. Someone will have to overwhelm them.
Jeff Todd
Please expound.
disgruntledreader 2
He was a jerk about it, but I’ll say that I had to go back and re-read it a few times to get the meaning. Perhaps turning the first sentence around so that it says “Pomeranz is another guy who might appeal to teams that want more than just a rental if they’re going to cough up prospects.” As it reads now, it seems like he’s not going to cost much in return.
Or, we could all just take an extra 15 seconds to look at it a second time and try to demonstrate the reading comprehension of your average fourth grader.
ZachPadres24
He isn’t “a free agent in month’s time@
Jeff Todd
It says the opposite of that.
EDIT: I will try to simplify the sentence construction so people don’t mis-read it, but I said he’s a target for teams that don’t want a pure rental. Because he is not one.
EDIT #2: I don’t mean to suggest that anyone is incapable of reading the sentence. Just that folks seem to be skimming the list and getting the wrong sense from that one. No doubt due to my long-winded, detour-ridden writing style.
ZachPadres24
My bad Jeff.
lakerfan 4
Yeah right, like the brewers would trade Ryan Braun
Jeff Todd
Why not?
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
If they can unload the contract and get MLB ready guys that could make an impact they’d probably jump on it. That’s where the problem lies. He becomes more valuable in the offseason if he proves he can stay healthy the whole year or in this years case a major portion of it.
angelsinthetroutfield
Wonder if the Angels could get Conforto for Escobar and a pen arm. Maybe even Cron and Yunel to fill 1B and 3B for Conforto and another prospect (Montero?) No idea what his standing in NYM org now….
Brixton
Doubt they trade Conforto. I think hes still in their longterm plans. Boy can rake when hes going good.
chesteraarthur
You talk good
campbell
Super-Utility? I don’t understand this designation. Here is a ‘utility’ player, he can be played usefully at multiple positions. Here is a “Super-Utility” player! He can be played usefully at multiple positions also. Though he may be a slightly better player? Is a “Super-Utility” player a player that should be starting somewhere but isn’t? A utility player with a league average or better bat? What’s the distinction supposed to mean? Seems meaningless. If a guy is a utility option on your roster, he is a utility option. Please stop with the trendy, false distinction. Otherwise, what’s next? A “Super-Duper-Utility” player! He’ll wear a cape, I hope…
Jeff Todd
How about this — a “utility” player can play multiple infield positions; a “super-utility” player is also capable of playing the corner outfield.
Also, who cares.
aff10
Jeff, serious question about the methodology behind the list. I understand the concept of ranking the players, but is it more a reflection of trade value or trade likelihood? Obviously, Julio Teheran has exponentially more value than Jeremy Hellickson, but I’d be much less surprised if I woke up tomorrow to see Hellickson traded than Teheran
aff10
Regardless, I’m not trying to nitpick with the list; it’s a cool concept and I tend to agree with most of it. Just curious as to whether you put more weight in value or more weight in likelihood, or whether it’s about even…
Jeff Todd
I took your inquiry in good faith!
Jeff Todd
I tried to use a simple rating system in a spreadsheet when I started the list, and it was kind of helpful to get my thoughts lined up, but honestly it’s really subjective. Not sure there’s much of a way around that, either. I’m not only weighing things from an analytical angle, but also trying to read the tea leaves on the reporting out there.
Generally, being really really good doesn’t get you on or up the list. But being really really tradeable can, in a sense: there are some guys on there who only appear b/c they are such obvious trade chips. Like I said last week, I had Rodney up in the top 5 or something right before he was traded — just had the right combo for a deal to take place at a pretty good value, and it turned out that way.
hanks1hammer
All these comments surrounding Braves and Red Sox fans just persists every time this weekly post comes up. I’m a Braves fan and there are things that both sides say that I believe arent accurate.
1. Teheran is (or is not) an ace. Really, I think the best answer is we don’t really know yet. He is certainly putting up ace like production and it isn’t his first time. He did it in 2014 and his 2013 numbers were pretty good too.
1B. A common objection is that Teheran’s metrics indicate that he will regress. Funny thing is, all four of his full seasons his metrics indicated he is not as good as his performance. How many times does a pitcher have to beat his metrics before we consider whether they accurately measure a pitcher?
2. Braves fans have unrealistic trade expectations. There might be a little truth to this. We got a ridiculous return for Miller. This may have created that. But this isn’t why the Braves FO has set the bill unrealistically high. If we were talking about a trade where all things are even and equal, I could see Boston’s package being built around Devers and Swihart and Mon/Benni staying put.
However, nobody on any side is all that interested in an even trade. Every team wants as much as they can get for their assets. Right now, Teheran is very important to the team. With Norris gone, he is the closest thing the Braves have to veteran leadership and the only stable piece they have. Allow me to create an analogy. If you donated one of your kidneys to someone and someone wanted to buy your other kidney, how much would you charge them?
In addition, I think that MOST of us Braves fans would be plenty happy holding on to Teheran. Pitching is incredibly volitile. Just ask the Dodgers and Mets. Pitching is always in need. Just ask the Red Sox. So maybe that makes us a little unrealistic or maybe it just means some of us are looking at the market and can see the writing on the wall.
chesteraarthur
So Kyle Hendricks is an ace too, right?
hanks1hammer
I will give Hendricks the same assessment I gave Teheran..maybe he is..or maybe not. Maybe you didnt notice that may answer to the question: is Teheran and ace? was I don’t know. Teheran has more track record but the logic is similar. Maybe Hendricks will prove to be a Tom Glavine who also beat his periferials year after year.
Connorsoxfan
I’d like to thank you for making a reasonable level headed comment and seeing this thing the right way. I also agree that your proposal would be fair, unfortunately fair isn’t going to cut it when Atlanta is leaning towards keeping what they have.
WAH1447
Considering the sox have a garbage pitching staff and if they really want Teheran they will pay if not there is no reason to move him. If they want Teheran then moncada and benni is the starting point
hanks1hammer
I dont know that I see it that way. You seem to imply that but because Boston has a bad rotation that they would pay more than the Dodgers or Cubs. But it isn’t as though the Braves are going to LOWER their expectations if one of those teams come calling. They will expect the same top tier value as they would from the Red Sox
hanks1hammer
Oh of course they aren’t. As I said, no team is actually interested in a fair deal.
Thankyou for the complement. Fans are fans. I would dance in the street if the Braves got Mon/Ben/Dev for Teheran. Would that be a fair trade. No, it wouldnt. But..my dancing would at least indicate that I am aware that we got more than what we should have.
benharvey26
I would like to see Chris Carter as a DH in a low power lineup–especially if that means there will be plenty of ducks on the pond in an AL hitter friendly park.
dwilson10
By the way Jimenez and Wright have pitched tonight for the O’s, it wouldn’t surprise me to see on of the LHP’s on this list headed to Baltimore during the break.
oofa
An excellent trade would be Freddy Galvis, Ryan Howard, Carlos Ruiz, Mark Appel, Darin Ruf and Edward Mujica for Trout. The Angels would be able to check off a bunch of needs: a right handed power hitter, a future superstar pitcher, a phenomenal fielder, a veteran catcher and future hall of farmer, a good lefty off the bench and bullpen depth. Make it happen Klentak! We should also get C.J Cron to complete the deal
jp08
With regards to what the Angels would get for Howard, you misspelled useless player/ waste of roster spot.
indabasszone
Galvis – weak-hitting utility infielder
Howard – Literally one of the worst players in the league right now with one of the worst contracts
Ruiz – 37 year old catcher who can’t hit anymore and won’t provide any value for the future
Appel – Struggling former top pick
Ruf – 29 year old AAAA player who can’t field
Mujica – Hasn’t even pitched in the majors this season
Man how would the Angels ever say no wow what a haul
oofa
Fine, they can throw in Emmanuel Burriss and David Lough if the Angels toss in Johnny Giovatella.
kershawpacksbombs
Why is nobody talking about Cole getting traded?
He’s making dirt and in his last year of his deal, plus the Pirates aren’t exactly looking great for an October run
jimk
This conversation is two weeks old — Teheran came out of last night’s game with a back problem and is day-to-day. As a Braves fan I’m confident — and hoping — he won’t be traded.
The fundamental misunderstanding is the conversation about Teheran is that his value is all about pitching metrics. The numbers which really count in baseball, as in life, are the ones with dollar signs in front of them. The lesson in Moneyball wasn’t about OBP, OPS, or adjusted runs created plus, etc. It’s about production relative to cost.
Teams like the Braves, mid-market and struggling under a bad TV deal, profit most from improving young players under relatively inexpensive long term control. Teheran is definitely improving, he’s still young, and his deal is spectacularly team friendly as today’s extensions go. For that reason alone, the Braves should lean toward keeping him.
Of course you always listen to offers. But as someone pointed out, the Braves could not actually afford Mike Trout’s deal anyway. The Braves will need three (preferably young inexpensive, and controllable) players: two power hitting corner outfielders and a catcher in the Brian McCann / Javy Lopez tradition. The rest of the team will be fine, and as the pitchers develop could contend sooner than most expect.
To energize the fan base, they must also put a viable product on the field in their new stadium next year. While there are many sparkling young pitching prospects in their organization, not of them are ready to displace Julio Teheran as the #1 starter and filler of seats.
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AstronautMikeDexter
With the Angels being out of it, I wonder if they would be willing to trade Mike Trout for a packge around Teheran?
livefastcyyoung 2
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Brixton
I mean, if you wanted to do Teheran, Inciarte, Swanson, Wisler, Albies, Allard and then some more,..
eilexx
Seriously? Tehran as the center piece for Trout? That’s just silly. Tehran is good, but not that. The only pitcher in baseball who realistically could be a centerpiece to a Trout deal is Noah Syndergaard. And then it would still a lot more to get him.
dodgers4life357
Kershaw not syndergaard
dmoyer31
You must be a Braves fan. I’m not an Angels fan and love the idea of prying him loose but there’s just no way it actually happens. Plus, Teheran just isn’t that good. If he ever leaves the NL East, the world will come to realize…
Bobby Sweet
The world knows, it’s just the Braves fans that want packages like Moncada+Benintendi+.
hanks1hammer
He does leave the NL East. The Braves have road games, you know. He pitched 7 innings against Boston and allowed 1 earned run. He pitched against the Cubs and went 7 innings and allowed 0 runs and 2 hits. He seems to do just fine against top tier batting line ups.
bringinit247
Two games is a huge sample size!
hanks1hammer
Not that you’re providing ANY evidence to the contrary, right?
chesteraarthur
Braves fans…
bravesfan1234
Feel free to actually add something constructive instead of simply wagging your finger and indicting entire fanbases constantly.
chesteraarthur
Ok. Teheran as a center piece for Trout is a horrible trade proposal.
Every proposal on here from braves fans is terrible. The over rating of Teheran is terrible. The failure to see that Vizcaino has struggled recently is terrible. Every one of CJ/Chris’ 2nd grade grammar, 4 team 40 player, organization swaping trades is terrible. Braves fans have become the most intolerable posters on this site. They should look around at other mlb players and trades that have occurred to get some basis for their attempts to pawn off Teheran on another team. Hint, you aren’t getting 2 top 15 prospects for him.
Constructive enough for ya?
bravesfan1234
Cool. I just wasn’t aware a couple of posters who keep making goofy trade proposals compose an entire fanbase. Not sure what you’re always angry about. Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to read this stuff.
dtipres
Add Freddie Freeman to Teheran and you “might” have a starting point in negotiations for Trout. But I don’t know who else the Braves have that the Angels would even be interested in, and it would take A LOT before the Angels would let Trout go.
halos101
stop wondering about ridiculous trades for trout. He’s not getting traded, especially for Teheran
Selkies
For real, you guys are baiting that Chris dude to come in here with his ridiculous proposals and giant wall-of-texts rambles about 17-team trades.
By the way, Teheran is a great pitcher. I’m not sure why we’re trying to discount that because he plays in the NL East.
bravosfan4life
You’re a moron I don’t want trout we would have to give everything we have gotten to land trout not worth it
Jeff Todd
Please don’t call people “moron.”
bringinit247
Might hurt people’s feelings
bravesfan1234
No. Just no. First of all, other Braves fans need to stop making foolish trade ideas revolving around Teheran. Secondly, the actual cost of acquiring Trout would be so steep it makes it unappealing. Trout is good, but I wouldn’t give up all our top prospects to get him.
gobraves46
Every fan base has their homers. I agree that braves fans need to stop overvaluing Julio. However I think the people who take these proposals seriously are just as annoying as the unrealistic fans who propose them in the first place. If you have to comment a simple “not gonna happen” or something to a crazy Trout trade then do it, But calling these people idiots or morons doesn’t help make them more informed baseball fans. Apologies for the rant, I just don’t like reading the comments of people yelling at each other…
Sam.rhodes16
FWIW, MLB The Show had freeman Teheran and Swanson headed to LAA for Trout in 2018 in my RTTS. So basically, this dude is an idiot.
aff10
Ah, MLB the Show trades. In one of my franchises in 2014, the Angels and Dodgers (both CPU) agreed on a one-for-one swap of Trout and Nick Buss. Suffice it to say fake Angels GM probably got fired for that one lol
dodgers4life357
Maybe the brewers probably for mike trout
dwhitt3
Lowrie only batting .283? Haha
Brixton
His overall slash line is rather weak.
Jeff Todd
I put the other numbers in there for a reason.
davidcoonce74
Hey jeff,
when does the guy with the 4 team/40 player trade proposals get his own chat? He is insistent, dedicated, does his homework, and I would absolutely love to participate in that chat, as I’m sure many other MLBTR readers would.
Selkies
I wonder what he’ll do if Julio Teheran ever gets traded.
Then again, I’m just waiting for him to be able to spell “Teheran” correctly.
deesnutz
Drew Pomeranz is under control until 2019. He’ll cost prospects in a trade.
jimmyz
I feel like the padres should keep him. Sure he’s not a centerpiece to build a staff around but the padres don’t have much of a MLB rotation or much help on the the way. Hedges, Renfroe, Blash and Wil Myers gives them a decent base to build an offense and starting 9 around for the near future but their pitching is pretty mediocre. Pomeranz could be a solid #2-3 for the next couple years to provide a bridge to better acquisitions/draft picks in the next couple years. Of course some team could always make an offer Pellet can’t refuse…
rr30
Interesting that Cozart moved down the list this week, despite continuing to hit well. I think some smart team will pick him up at the last minute and he will be very helpful for them in the playoffs, be it every day at SS or a utility/late inning defensive replacement.
Jeff Todd
Didn’t move him down, really, just other guys going up. Still unclear if a market will develop, and he’s not a pure rental. Playing great, though.
cubsfan24
I’d like to see the Cubs kick the tires on Matt Moore. He hasn’t been near the pitcher he was before TJS but I think he needs a change of scenery and maybe he can put it back together. I’d really like to see if they could get a package with Moore and Colome
Connorsoxfan
Tony Massarotti of Felger and Mazz radio just gave MLBTR a shoutout over the radio for ranking Hill the top trade candidate FYI.
Connorsoxfan
Edit: Top PITCHING trade candidate.
Screamer
I don’t think Valencia is going anywhere. One more year of control for the A’s plus a lot of other players to move; he’ll stay
criznit
Your “write-up” on Pomeranz is wrong and not very coherent as well.
Brixton
What’s is wrong with it…?
“Here’s another possibility for teams that don’t want to cough up prospects for a pitcher who’ll be a free agent in a few months’ time.”
Hes a guy who’s available and has control.
“San Diego is willing to deal, but probably won’t just take the highest offer for the emerging lefty.”
They’ll be willing to talk, but they aren’t going to just take the best offer to get a deal done. Someone will have to overwhelm them.
Jeff Todd
Please expound.
disgruntledreader 2
He was a jerk about it, but I’ll say that I had to go back and re-read it a few times to get the meaning. Perhaps turning the first sentence around so that it says “Pomeranz is another guy who might appeal to teams that want more than just a rental if they’re going to cough up prospects.” As it reads now, it seems like he’s not going to cost much in return.
Or, we could all just take an extra 15 seconds to look at it a second time and try to demonstrate the reading comprehension of your average fourth grader.
ZachPadres24
He isn’t “a free agent in month’s time@
Jeff Todd
It says the opposite of that.
EDIT: I will try to simplify the sentence construction so people don’t mis-read it, but I said he’s a target for teams that don’t want a pure rental. Because he is not one.
EDIT #2: I don’t mean to suggest that anyone is incapable of reading the sentence. Just that folks seem to be skimming the list and getting the wrong sense from that one. No doubt due to my long-winded, detour-ridden writing style.
ZachPadres24
My bad Jeff.
lakerfan 4
Yeah right, like the brewers would trade Ryan Braun
Jeff Todd
Why not?
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
If they can unload the contract and get MLB ready guys that could make an impact they’d probably jump on it. That’s where the problem lies. He becomes more valuable in the offseason if he proves he can stay healthy the whole year or in this years case a major portion of it.
angelsinthetroutfield
Wonder if the Angels could get Conforto for Escobar and a pen arm. Maybe even Cron and Yunel to fill 1B and 3B for Conforto and another prospect (Montero?) No idea what his standing in NYM org now….
Brixton
Doubt they trade Conforto. I think hes still in their longterm plans. Boy can rake when hes going good.
chesteraarthur
You talk good
campbell
Super-Utility? I don’t understand this designation. Here is a ‘utility’ player, he can be played usefully at multiple positions. Here is a “Super-Utility” player! He can be played usefully at multiple positions also. Though he may be a slightly better player? Is a “Super-Utility” player a player that should be starting somewhere but isn’t? A utility player with a league average or better bat? What’s the distinction supposed to mean? Seems meaningless. If a guy is a utility option on your roster, he is a utility option. Please stop with the trendy, false distinction. Otherwise, what’s next? A “Super-Duper-Utility” player! He’ll wear a cape, I hope…
Jeff Todd
How about this — a “utility” player can play multiple infield positions; a “super-utility” player is also capable of playing the corner outfield.
Also, who cares.
aff10
Jeff, serious question about the methodology behind the list. I understand the concept of ranking the players, but is it more a reflection of trade value or trade likelihood? Obviously, Julio Teheran has exponentially more value than Jeremy Hellickson, but I’d be much less surprised if I woke up tomorrow to see Hellickson traded than Teheran
aff10
Regardless, I’m not trying to nitpick with the list; it’s a cool concept and I tend to agree with most of it. Just curious as to whether you put more weight in value or more weight in likelihood, or whether it’s about even…
Jeff Todd
I took your inquiry in good faith!
Jeff Todd
I tried to use a simple rating system in a spreadsheet when I started the list, and it was kind of helpful to get my thoughts lined up, but honestly it’s really subjective. Not sure there’s much of a way around that, either. I’m not only weighing things from an analytical angle, but also trying to read the tea leaves on the reporting out there.
Generally, being really really good doesn’t get you on or up the list. But being really really tradeable can, in a sense: there are some guys on there who only appear b/c they are such obvious trade chips. Like I said last week, I had Rodney up in the top 5 or something right before he was traded — just had the right combo for a deal to take place at a pretty good value, and it turned out that way.
hanks1hammer
All these comments surrounding Braves and Red Sox fans just persists every time this weekly post comes up. I’m a Braves fan and there are things that both sides say that I believe arent accurate.
1. Teheran is (or is not) an ace. Really, I think the best answer is we don’t really know yet. He is certainly putting up ace like production and it isn’t his first time. He did it in 2014 and his 2013 numbers were pretty good too.
1B. A common objection is that Teheran’s metrics indicate that he will regress. Funny thing is, all four of his full seasons his metrics indicated he is not as good as his performance. How many times does a pitcher have to beat his metrics before we consider whether they accurately measure a pitcher?
2. Braves fans have unrealistic trade expectations. There might be a little truth to this. We got a ridiculous return for Miller. This may have created that. But this isn’t why the Braves FO has set the bill unrealistically high. If we were talking about a trade where all things are even and equal, I could see Boston’s package being built around Devers and Swihart and Mon/Benni staying put.
However, nobody on any side is all that interested in an even trade. Every team wants as much as they can get for their assets. Right now, Teheran is very important to the team. With Norris gone, he is the closest thing the Braves have to veteran leadership and the only stable piece they have. Allow me to create an analogy. If you donated one of your kidneys to someone and someone wanted to buy your other kidney, how much would you charge them?
In addition, I think that MOST of us Braves fans would be plenty happy holding on to Teheran. Pitching is incredibly volitile. Just ask the Dodgers and Mets. Pitching is always in need. Just ask the Red Sox. So maybe that makes us a little unrealistic or maybe it just means some of us are looking at the market and can see the writing on the wall.
chesteraarthur
So Kyle Hendricks is an ace too, right?
hanks1hammer
I will give Hendricks the same assessment I gave Teheran..maybe he is..or maybe not. Maybe you didnt notice that may answer to the question: is Teheran and ace? was I don’t know. Teheran has more track record but the logic is similar. Maybe Hendricks will prove to be a Tom Glavine who also beat his periferials year after year.
Connorsoxfan
I’d like to thank you for making a reasonable level headed comment and seeing this thing the right way. I also agree that your proposal would be fair, unfortunately fair isn’t going to cut it when Atlanta is leaning towards keeping what they have.
WAH1447
Considering the sox have a garbage pitching staff and if they really want Teheran they will pay if not there is no reason to move him. If they want Teheran then moncada and benni is the starting point
hanks1hammer
I dont know that I see it that way. You seem to imply that but because Boston has a bad rotation that they would pay more than the Dodgers or Cubs. But it isn’t as though the Braves are going to LOWER their expectations if one of those teams come calling. They will expect the same top tier value as they would from the Red Sox
hanks1hammer
Oh of course they aren’t. As I said, no team is actually interested in a fair deal.
Thankyou for the complement. Fans are fans. I would dance in the street if the Braves got Mon/Ben/Dev for Teheran. Would that be a fair trade. No, it wouldnt. But..my dancing would at least indicate that I am aware that we got more than what we should have.
benharvey26
I would like to see Chris Carter as a DH in a low power lineup–especially if that means there will be plenty of ducks on the pond in an AL hitter friendly park.
dwilson10
By the way Jimenez and Wright have pitched tonight for the O’s, it wouldn’t surprise me to see on of the LHP’s on this list headed to Baltimore during the break.
oofa
An excellent trade would be Freddy Galvis, Ryan Howard, Carlos Ruiz, Mark Appel, Darin Ruf and Edward Mujica for Trout. The Angels would be able to check off a bunch of needs: a right handed power hitter, a future superstar pitcher, a phenomenal fielder, a veteran catcher and future hall of farmer, a good lefty off the bench and bullpen depth. Make it happen Klentak! We should also get C.J Cron to complete the deal
jp08
With regards to what the Angels would get for Howard, you misspelled useless player/ waste of roster spot.
indabasszone
Galvis – weak-hitting utility infielder
Howard – Literally one of the worst players in the league right now with one of the worst contracts
Ruiz – 37 year old catcher who can’t hit anymore and won’t provide any value for the future
Appel – Struggling former top pick
Ruf – 29 year old AAAA player who can’t field
Mujica – Hasn’t even pitched in the majors this season
Man how would the Angels ever say no wow what a haul
oofa
Fine, they can throw in Emmanuel Burriss and David Lough if the Angels toss in Johnny Giovatella.
kershawpacksbombs
Why is nobody talking about Cole getting traded?
He’s making dirt and in his last year of his deal, plus the Pirates aren’t exactly looking great for an October run
jimk
This conversation is two weeks old — Teheran came out of last night’s game with a back problem and is day-to-day. As a Braves fan I’m confident — and hoping — he won’t be traded.
The fundamental misunderstanding is the conversation about Teheran is that his value is all about pitching metrics. The numbers which really count in baseball, as in life, are the ones with dollar signs in front of them. The lesson in Moneyball wasn’t about OBP, OPS, or adjusted runs created plus, etc. It’s about production relative to cost.
Teams like the Braves, mid-market and struggling under a bad TV deal, profit most from improving young players under relatively inexpensive long term control. Teheran is definitely improving, he’s still young, and his deal is spectacularly team friendly as today’s extensions go. For that reason alone, the Braves should lean toward keeping him.
Of course you always listen to offers. But as someone pointed out, the Braves could not actually afford Mike Trout’s deal anyway. The Braves will need three (preferably young inexpensive, and controllable) players: two power hitting corner outfielders and a catcher in the Brian McCann / Javy Lopez tradition. The rest of the team will be fine, and as the pitchers develop could contend sooner than most expect.
To energize the fan base, they must also put a viable product on the field in their new stadium next year. While there are many sparkling young pitching prospects in their organization, not of them are ready to displace Julio Teheran as the #1 starter and filler of seats.