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Wainofan
Weaver, Wong, Young reliever, Harrison bader, Magnus sierra from cards for odorizzi and either kiermaier or longoria
thetruth 2
Way too little, include Reyes.
rays111
I don’t really think the Rays would trade KK away, and they will not trade Longoria.
cardfan2011
If they wanna contend, then that probably takes out the chance of the Cards trading for Kiermaier.
Jeff Todd
I’ve seen no suggestion that Tampa Bay is interested in moving Kiermaier. Don’t see him as the most realistic target for the Cards.
Frozen rope
They don’t want to contend, the computers don’t seem to work real wellin TB, but I hear they are planning to construct a Frat Row right outside the stadium
allphilly
Feature request: Can you do the math and perhaps add to the “Guaranteed Salaries” section how much is actually guaranteed for 2017?
Jeff Todd
I added a link to the Roster Resource payroll page, which has that info.
Wainofan
Yeah I think you’re right on kiermaier. What would it take for cards to get say longoria and odorizzi? Cards would be able to take longorias contract and have carp, Wong/gyorko/ Diaz and longoria on if. Rotation of Martinez, waino, Reyes, odorizzi, leake with Lynn in bullpen then if he comes back, six man rotation to save young arms
Jeff Todd
Are you pushing Carpenter to the corner OF? They seem to want to add a new CF rather than going that route.
Longo is going to have a huge price tag; I don’t think TBR wants to move him at all. Odorizzi can probably be had, but I’d expect a steep ask there as well. For both? They are going to be demanding premium assets at or near majors.
I guess I don’t have a specific idea of a total demand, but I don’t really see STL using its resources to get that done.
thetruth 2
Reyes, Weaver, Diaz +?
greatgame 2
Cobb is done. Looks awful.
rays111
Everyone’s awful after Tommy John. He should probably do better next year.
24TheKid
What order are you doing these in, I was wondering when you are doing them on AL west teams?
Jeff Todd
They are roughly going form worst to first. So you can expect A’s and Angels to show up in relatively short order.
24TheKid
Ok thanks.
Brixton
Cam Rupp for Drew Smyly
budman3 2
Maybe Cobb for Knapp/Alfaro instead.
thetruth 2
TB passes.
rays111
I could see that happening. According to MLBTR, Smyly going to be asking for 6.9 million, which is way too much by Ray’s standings. Plus a 7-12 record with a 4.88 ERA doesn’t deserve that much. Considering he’s in “The Toughest League in MLB”,he could do better in the NL East. As for Rupp, the Rays need an everyday (or close to it ) catcher, and he filled that role in 2016. They would have him until 2020 and has been what they would need, Definitely better than a Jason Castro or Alex Avila, Marc Topkin
bucknerforhall
they could do a 4-1 for Archer
&
a 3 for 1 for Longoria – & be a better team
kc38
Im the biggest rays fan alive and im telling all of you right now longoria is not going anywhere. He just bounced back to a very good player from a couple down years. If they trade longoria their attendance would drop the negative. The Rays dont ever rebuild they recharge because their pitching is always so good. Longoria will be a day for life and is not going anywhere he is the face and an original from ’08 he practically is the Tampa Bay Rays. Archer isn’t going anywhere unless someone is desperate like the diamondbacks last year. And Kiermaier just forget it. He’s the platinum glove winner in center field. Not easy. He’s not getting traded either. Any other pitcher is available except Colome and snell. Our locks are Miller, Longo, Snell, and Forsythe. Any one else is tradeable. This was a much better team than the record showed. With the right pitchers healthy next year and some minor tweaking to the lineup like bringing Pearce back and getting Duffy for a full season and any other catcher this team will compete.
kc38
Ray * not day
bucknerforhall
I understand your point
but last off season – you could have gotten Kyle Hendricks, W. Contreras, & Javy baez
from the Cubs -for Archer. Which would have made them a much better team.
similar deals might be out there this year. Guys that are ready to play – with 6 years of control.
the Souza trade is the 1 that killed the Rays. If they had J. Ross & Trea Turner right now – wow.
I dont think it would happen but – Cubs will move some guys this off season – Rays could go – Soler, Ian Happ, J candelario, & J. Hammell for C. Archer – then move J Hammell & his $9 mil for 2 more guys.
that would make the rays better – in 2017 & long term
baronbeard
We listened to a few offers on Archer, Dodgers being one of them. If I remember correctly they started off with the deal mandatorily including Pederson Seager/Urias. It’s going to be a steep price.
MikePLV10
If the rays are willing to deal Archer the BRAVES could be a good fit.. possibly Inciarte or Mallex Smith, 2 or our top 4 pitching prospects (all are very highly rated) plus one more player (maybe Adonis Garcia-plays better in AL, though his D seemed to improve this yr, could allow Longoria to DH occasionally) Thoughts?
MikePLV10
2 of our*
Jeff Todd
No way that’s happening. Archer not only has an ace’s track record, he’s incredibly cheap. Nobody is getting a buy-low opportunity at this point.
Same essential situation as with Sale; while Archer obviously wasn’t as good last year, his contract is even better. And Adonis Garcia isn’t moving the needle for Tampa Bay.
MikePLV10
I don’t believe that was a buy low trade offer, considering the braves top 4 pitching prospects are in the top 100. Both Inciarte and Smith are very good players, had smith not have gotten hurt both would be highly targeted. I added Garcia because of his bat and ability to to give Evan a break.. Tampa has a good stable of MLB ready pitchers, this would give the 2 MLB players and 2 high upside minor league arms.
thetruth 2
Swanson, top 3 pitching prospects,
MikePLV10
Ok.
southi
At one time I was thinking that the Braves would likely target Odorizzi, but now I think the Rays will simply ask too much and IF the Braves end up making a deal with Tampa it will more likely be for Smyly or as an outside the box answer for Andriese. They could both be had for less than Odorizzi and certainly far less than Archer. Smyly will be looking to rebound from a disappointing season. Andriese has struggled as a starter but performed better out of the bullpen so I’m not sure if the Braves (or other teams for that matter) look at him as a potential starter or just an emergency one.
The bottom line is that teams seeking pitching will definitely at least inquire about Tampa’s young arms. The price will be high and someone will choose to pay it.
MikePLV10
I would like to see the braves trade for a young top of the rotation pitcher, with what we have coming in the minors and draft next season, I believe they can afford to make that happen. Obviously they will need to address catcher and possibly another starter..
OaklandKAM
Looks like Danny Valencia is a good fit for the Rays’ needs RHH bat with good contact, power and OBP, especially good against LHP, and can play 1B/DH/LF. Valencia is projected at $5 mil in arb, very reasonable for his production. He is from Florida (went to “The U”) and I think would fit very well there. Teams should talk.
greiunfioewfm
I’d really like to see the Rays call Pittsburgh about a deal centered around McCutchen for Chris Archer. Rays need an impact bat, and the Pirates were in on Archer at the deadline. Rays have a 6 man rotation right now, and the Pirates have Meadows knocking on the door in the OF. Plus with Kiermaier in center Cutch can move to an outfield corner where he probably belongs. Both players severely underperformed last year but I think the framework is there
stymeedone
Given the demand for pitching, Tampa Bay would be better off asking for Meadows. McCutchen doesn’t have enough control left to give up Archer for him.
jakebeard15
Rays are going to use one of their arms Shaffer in order to get a solid catcher. EX: Cam Rupp, Castillo from AZ, I wouldn’t rule out Realmuto either(rays were begging for him at the deadline). And they might go out and try to sign a back end of the bullpen type of arm.
rays111
Don’t forget this is the same team that traded Cy Young Winner David Price, All-Stars Scott Kazmir and James Shields, ALCS MVP MMatt Garza, Hellboy(Jeremy Hellickson) and others. Plus, don’t forget all the players that had bouncebacks this and last year. Ex. Matt Joyce, Ben Zobrist, Asdrubal Cabrera,Fernando Rodney, Will Myers. Add on the players that did well with the Rays before they were dealt.(Nate Karns, Brandon Guyer, Matt Moore,Steve Pearce,Joey Butler,John Jaso)
rays111
Some Trades
Cards;Weaver ,Reyes, Tuivailala, Tommy Pham, Harrison Bader, Good Reliever
Rays: Jake Odorizzi, Eddie Gamboa, Taylor Motter, Dylan Floro, Cameron Seizer, Good Outfielder
Houston Astros:Francis Martes, J.D. Davis, Chris Cotton
Rays: Drew Smyly, Brad Boxberger, Tyler Sturdevant
Other Teams
Dodgers,Braves,Phils,Brewers
Jeff Todd
Those aren’t realistic scenarios for the Rays in my view. Reyes isn’t going in a deal for Odorizzi, let alone with Weaver also included. And Martes is a pretty danged highly-regarded prospect who could contribute as soon as next year, while Smyly and Boxberger both had really rough seasons.
rays111
Jeff Todd
Just figured since the Rays don’t have the best farm system, they could add to it with good players. But now that you mentioned it, it would take much more to get Reyes and Weaver in a deal,They could get Weaver by adding Austin Pruitt or Faria.
Maybe add Brent Honeywell or Chih-Wei Hu in the Astros deal? The Rays deemed Honeywell their best starter in farm system, and Hu carried a 7-8 record with a 2.59 ERA over 24 starts in AA, including a .241 opponent’s batting average.