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RoadRunner1938
Cardinals need to go after Cespedes then Desmond then Folwer! The rest on that list Cardinals shouldn’t go after due to every team is going to want Reyes or Martinez! Cardinals need to try to sign first then trade but the trades are not going to happen for the ones on this this!
RedFeather
Just having some fun hear but if it meant getting Trout would you give up Reyes, Weaver, Piscotty, and Diaz?
cardfan2011
I don’t even think that package would get it done
RoadRunner1938
No I actually think that would hurt the cardinals and put Trout in the same situation he is in now! But Trout would look great in Cardinals uni!
Cardinals17
Your correct Roadrunner. After looking at trade chips for the Cardinals, you see a bunch of injury prone veterans and others that couldn’t start on some other teams. The Cardinals should declare Martinez and Reyes untouchable. Molina, Carpenter, Diaz, Piscoty and Grichuk seem to be who they are building around, so they’re untouchable. Wainwright is declining, Leake has a big contract and didn’t live up to it (though defense let him down on many occasions). They don’t want to trader Bader. So who would make good trade chips for an impact player. The Cardinal fans have seen Moz’s trading ability and Free Agent negotiations over the past years when it needed to count. It hasn’t built up the Cards in anyway. He talks encouraging about additions. Bu” his” high end additions are the players that leading contending teams pass by to get the top players. So what is the answer and what should the Cardinal fans expect after the playoffs?????
guinnesspelican
Fowler, Desmond, and Cespedes are the names us Cardinal fans need to eliminate off our menu of offseason desires. We all know that the Cardinals are capable of signing any one of them but when it comes down to it, they won’t. These guys are the cream of the off season crop that we get disappointed when the price to pay for this kind of talent goes skyrocket and the Cardinals back down. Since the Holiday signing we haven’t had one like it since?
Cardinal fans should expect the minor tweaks the organization does every year that gets us barely satisfied in the offseason but enough to make us hungry for the season to start? We should trust the organization that puts us in the playoffs almost every year even if they don’t move like we would? I would love a high profile name to join the birds but, unless we trade one or more of those untouchables mentioned, it’s probably not going to happen?
RoadRunner1938
Cardinals don’t have that Paid super star since Holliday is gone! Cardinals have had a star like that since McGwire then Pujols, Edmonds, Rollen then Holliday now they will go out and spend money but us Cardinals fans are demanding a star its needed! Cespedes Fowler or Desmond has to be a Cardinal next year! Hopefully Cespedes then Desmond then Fowler! They could sign 2 the team has the money! Huge new tv deal as well!
guinnesspelican
The only one on this list that I see as a Cardinal fit is Fowler. He gets on base more than the other 2 and has above average skills in CF.
This is assuming he doesn’t take his part of his Cub option year for 2017. We all saw Heyward take less to be with the Cubbies last year?
RoadRunner1938
Cubs better hope he resigns or takes the option, Cubs are 500 team with out him which is surprising!
andyb
The money isn’t the issue, the cards have money to sign those names, years will be an issue, and more so draft picks will be a big issue.
RoadRunner1938
I agree with the Cardinals no 10 year contracts but those player im talking about wont want 10 year deals but maybe Cespedes & Cardinals are going to have to suck it up and if a draft pick is lost on 1 or 2 signings its the price to pay to win. Fans deserve more from the ownership at this point, lives off the prospects and now its time to spend money
jd396
If Plouffe had a decent healthy year he’d have quite a bit of trade value. As is he’s kind of out of place on the Twins roster and isn’t going to generate much of a return.
NineChampionsips
Call the Angels GM. There’s hardly any prospects on that team (can’t think of anybody) but they’re desperate enough and stupid enough to dream big on a 30yr old like Plouffe.
cardfan2011
I still hope Wacha is traded. I’d much rather see Reyes in that rotation than Wacha
RoadRunner1938
If Reyes isn’t starting Matheny is an idiot but we all already know that!
Martinez, Wainwright, Reyes, Lynn, Leake
andyb
can’t necessary count on Lynn coming back from TJ. also maybe we can get lucky and move Leake.
guinnesspelican
I think Matheny plays a role in decisions, in regards to the rotation, but I don’t think he solely makes that call?
We all would have Reyes start but it really has come down to science in regards to pitch counts and innings.
2 years ago we would never had the discussion about moving Wacha or about his role as a reliever. The Cardinals learned the hard way with him. I don’t see them making that same mistake with Reyes.
dtwb93
We need a star player in STL. We can’t improve the defense much considering Diaz is the biggest problem not CF. Desmond, Cepedes, Fowler are all not good enough to pay what they want. Think Blue Jays free agents and have more imagination. They have the money.
andyb
Bautista is really starting to age, and did not have that great of a year. Edwin can rake but needs to be a DH. There aren’t really any good free agent options out there this year.
RoadRunner1938
Lol you obviously dont watch the Cardinals saying Diaz is the problem wow, yeah he had problems early but second half was good & for you to say Cespedes if it wasnt for him Mets wouldn’t of made the playoffs the last 2 years, Cubs with out Fowler are a 500 team look it up and Desmond is a good bat maybe not CF but still can hit.
Aaron Steele
Star can come with big signing Trout Arenado or goldy in 19 or 20. Save money for them or another good SP after next year where the FA crop is very good. Also Otani should be a blank check option when he comes over as he’s the best baseball player on the planet.
Trade for Blackmon and Adames to fill CF and backup SS which is all the Cardinals really need
Blackmon pushes Carp to 3 and makes the middle much more punchier.
Center it around Weaver Flaherty and Jaime with cardinals eating at least half the contract. Others could be added too. Like Sierra or Bader or several other solid prospects. Maybe Adams has value though it would be selling low. Marco is sell low but Marcos dad is in Rox organization and he’s from the area. I even think Lyons would have good value for the Rockies. Jaimes groundball rate plays too.
If Cardinals are smart they could upgrade with this trade and not make too many waves. Their strength of consistent solid pitching prospects is not to be overlooked as a very strong commodity.
Blackmon has a lot of value and if they swig and moss on that they still could go after a CF FA. Then find a backup SS.
Their rotation will be upgraded just with Lynn and Reyes.
Blackmon at 1 and Carp moving back should help the lineup.
Bullpen is stronger with full year of Oh as closer and duke all year. Wacha could still be converted to be a force and Lyons helps too not to mention potential Maness being healthy.
Bench should be fine too
They don’t need a tear down just some small but important moves.
RoadRunner1938
I don’t see Rockies taking that offer they will want Reyes or Martinez or both lol. woukd like to see Otani over here but not sure he would be used in MLB right maybe AL team. Carpenter batting 3rd for some reason he can’t hit there, it looks like he changes his swing to hit more power which he needs to stop trying to do since he struggles when he does that. Cardinals do need another starting out fielder for sure, bench as of now is good, bullpen is good and health will be key & do not sign Moss.