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EndinStealth
So many on this list could slot into the closers role. I think the Reds should pursue Holland. Give him a chance to prove himself and the Reds can secure a prospect come July.
mitt24
Maybe
rkumar
I think they’d have to significantly overpay though. They do have the advantage of an open closers role, but so do the Nats and they figure to actually contend
TDKnies 2
Goodness gracious. The thought of Joe Blanton being a closer!
stryk3istrukuout
Rasiel Iglesias was, at one point, seen as a frontline starter. Why did they move him to the bullpen? Lack of endurance? Stupidity? A rotation of Desclefani, Bailey, Iglesias, Straily, and the upside of Finnegan makes for a quietly good rotation. Either start him or let him be the closer, unless the plan is to trade him (which could be a fruitful move). Seems like a lot of talent to keep around for long relief.
Travis’ Wood
Have you seen his injury history. Dude has a bum shoulder and can’t hold up over 180 innings. They didn’t wanna move him to the pen, they had to.
CubsFanForLife
Not only the injury history, but Iglesias is kind of like the Chapman debate a few years ago – many thought Chapman should have been starting, though if he was, he wouldn’t be hitting 102 regularly. Iglesias is more of a two pitch-pitcher and they first gave him a shot to start. It didn’t work out, so send him to the pen to make him a dominant reliever.
tugriverred
RI is far more than a two pitch pitcher . Not only does he have a few good pitches , he throws each of them from three different arm slots . His shoulder and the fact that he wants to be a closer are the reasons he’s in the pen .
If he could prove him self durable he has the stuff to go through most lineups a few times .
Travis’ Wood
Casilla is the perfect fit. Buy low and flip at the deadline.
patborders92
Storens done. Can’t imagine him getting an MLB deal this offseason
jdgoat
Meh someone will find him intriguing and give him a chance. I was amazed how much he bombed this year with the movement he had on his pitches.
Guertez
Storen lost 3 MPH last offseason and was terrible last season because of it. Word was he starting using a 2 seamer (instead of 4 seamer) more to counter the lost velocity and get more ground balls but he still had his struggles. If he learns to pitch instead of relying on his past heat, he has a chance. Total buy-low here, but the upside isn’t the same as what he used to be unless he regains that velocity.
astros_fan_84
I could see them trying to sign two guys off this list.
jk_redsbaseball
Tucker Barnhart and Drew Storen both went to the same high school, with Storen being to years older. It would be neat to see them on the same team, especially as a catcher-pitcher pair.
Chefno2
speaking of Reds, it would be awesome to see Votto as a Blue Jay. I’m not Canadian or a blue jay fan but I love seeing guys play for their home town team. Doubt TOR has enough to make it happen outside of including Aaron Sanchez or Stroman, considering Votto’s immense value, but it would still be nice to see.
dust44
The jays have plenty. Could offer Reid-Foley, Greene, and a position prospect, maybe add in a 4th. But I think the reds r looking to load up on pitching prospects with the hope a cheap cost controlled rotation will help them get close to the Cubs and Cards
dhud
That doesn’t even come close. You’re offering one top 100 prospect (on the low end of that list even) and two throw ins for a guy who hit .326/.434/.550 last season? C’mon…
SuperSinker
He’s also being paid $179,000,000 for his age 33-39 seasons. That’s a terrible contract. You aren’t paying for past production, you’re paying for decline phase production. It might be one of the hardest non-Pujols contracts to get underneath.
Guertez
That contract definitely limits his trade value. Considering how little Encarnacion got this offseason, Votto’s contract would now be considered a negative even though he’s still very productive.
dhud
Limits, yes. But not to that extent. Votto is still worth multiple top tier prospects. And at this point his contract is still great value. If he declines, sure, but he’s shown zero signs of doing so and his skillset is one that should age well. Add in the inflation of MLB contracts, I fully expect Votto to be a $25 mil player for the next 4-5 years
Dock_Elvis
I believe the Reds have been approached by the Jays and Votto doesnt want to wave the NTC to go to Toronto.
AddisonStreet
How many times does Votto have to say he’s not waiving his NTC?
bluecard
until he waves it. a lot of guys say they won’t wave it, but once the feeling comes that the organization wants to move them, they change their tune. Joey’s no different.
lesterdnightfly
“Waive”. Waive the NTC. Waive the clause.
“Wave”? I hate the wave.
bluecard
eh, whatever. honest mistake. thanks for being “that guy”
lesterdnightfly
Shucks, always glad to enlighten !
p,s. “Whatever” is the password of the contentedly ignorant.
dhud
Reds aren’t trading Votto. Neither party has any interest in such a trade and have been on record repeatedly stating so
Chefno2
Calm yourself AddisonStreet and DHud, I only said it would be awesome to see him as a Blue Jay, never said it was happening .
lesterdnightfly
ais134:
It would be awesome if the Cubs could get Trout for Matt Szczur. I say that just because I’d like to have it happen.
See? Anyone can post idle thoughts. But it would be better if they chose someone without a firm NTC and a firm desire and a constantly repeated conviction that he wants to stay in Cincinnati.
gamemusic3 2
Brandon Phillips may be a fit for the Dodgers if the Twins do not lower their price on Dozier, depending on his choice
SuperSinker
Makes more sense to stick with Barnes/Kiké at 2B than to take on a bunch of money for a marginal upgrade.
SilvioDante
Joe Smith’s a hometown kid. He’ll sign with the Reds for sure, but not sure he’d be the closer.
Cardinals17
The Cardinals need a slugging 1st baseman. The Reds need pitching and legitimate top prospects. Would Weaver, Bader, Tyler Lyons,
Cardinals17
This part of the first post was left out. Weaver, Bader, Tyler Lyons, and Matt Adams get Votto?
stl_cards16 2
#1. No, that’s not enough to get the Reds to move him.
#2. No. Votto isn’t waiving his NTC.
#3. No the Cardinals aren’t going to take on that contract which is set to become one of the worst in baseball
jayceincase
Absolutely no way that gets Votto. Any conversation with the Reds involving Votto would have to include the name Alex Reyes.
Bruin1012
We can speculate all we want on with Votto’s contract, I am in the camp that thinks the Reds would get supressingly less than most Reds fans think, but he isn’t getting traded so it’s a moot point.
dhud
I think a lot of people underestimate the Reds’ in house options at SP. They have legit 8-10 SP prospects who will be ready for a big league audition between now and 2018. I don’t think they’ll be looking too hard to add pitching
EKocur57
Fellow Pirates fans will disagree, but would love to have Phillips at 2nd. Send JHay back to his hometown
BigAlice
Harrison for Phillips? The Reds would do that in a hot second.
EKocur57
Harrison is a utility guy. Ride him when he gets home. Phillips is a better glove with more power. Really a pipe dream as the Bucs are trying to shave contract dollars, not add
EKocur57
‘Ride him when he gets hot’. Sorry
strostro
Bailey is the big problem in the rotation
raykraft88
Their first deal is Billy Hamilton traded to the Mets, in a three team deal with Gsellman and Conforto headed from the Mets to the Reds, Mariners get Jay Bruce in the deal and send Luiz Gohara to the Reds. Some other small pieces even out the deal.
mindflux
They act as if we’re going to sign high upside guys. No theyll wait til the end of spring training and sign whoever gets released or still is a free agent for as little as they can spend, even though its only a little less than these guys can get. I mean, Ross Ohlendorf, Blake Wood, Alfredo Simon. Cmon. Relievers don’t even make that much but they wont spend that few hundred thousand difference to get a decent one instead of an awful one.
redsfanman
They act like they’ll sign one of these guys to a bargain basement contract, whichever one of them is interested in a shot at closing with a likely trade to a contender if they do well. Anyone unwilling to play for a non-contender is out of reach. Seeing who falls that far, and is interested in that situation, may indeed take until spring training.
Blake Wood they went after aggressively, signing him in November or whatever last year, just after free agency started. They didn’t wait. And he was a smart pickup and a bargain.
Dock_Elvis
I really thought they’d try and bring Edinson Volquez back to eat some starter innings.