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AddisonStreet
Both teams will benefit from this deal, even with both guys have some possible issues.
Mikel Grady
Hope it does. Then they can trade again in the future. 2015 was fun seeing royals pen dominate World Series. Hope Cubs do the same this year .
beyou02215
I don’t get why people are saying that this is a bad deal for KC. Davis has 1 year and has injury concerns, while the Royals get 4 years of control over Soler through what should be his prime years. Good for KC, I think.
philharmonica
People are saying that because everything the Cubs do, people say is amazing. And whatever the Royals do, people say it’s stupid. Not saying the Cubs aren’t amazing. Saying they both are! Extremely different schools of thought, but cmon people. These two teams are the 15 and 16 WS winners. Maybe they both know what they’re doing, huh?
Ry.the.Stunner
I don’t think it’s a bad deal, I think it’s good for both teams, but it seems Royals fans are forgetting that Soler has some pretty long-standing nagging injuries himself that date back to his times in the minor leagues and have continued to plague him in every single season in the MLB so far.
Pb
Looks like a bad deal to a lot of people because there’s a decent shot Soler really isn’t that good. Considering what it took to get guys like Miller and Chapman, this seems cheap.
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
One of those rare win-win deals. And I say that as somebody who never wants to see the Cubbies or KC in the WS again for another 110 years.
Soler has a 75% to 80% chance of blossoming into a bonafide star in KC and Davis has the same chance of being a lockdown closer this year for the Cubs.
baseball10
Have you all actually watched Soler recently or just keep reading these reports from beat writers about his power? He has looked awful the last two years, both at the plate and especially in the field. Royals are banking on a huge turnaround here
baseball10
Also, if, and i know its a big if, Davis starts the season off like his usual dominant self they could have gotten a way better haul near the trade deadline. Not putting him on Chapman level but Yankees got Torres for half a year of Chapman
theo2016
have you watched soler? when healthy he hit, it’s just injuries and timing with him.
Priggs89
Lol what? Soler maybe has a 5% chance of blossoming into a bonafidr star, and even that is probably a stretch. If you want to say he has a 75% chance of being a serviceable outfielder, you might be more accurate. Anybody that has a “75% to 80% chance of being a bonafide star” is NOT getting traded unless it’s for another elite young player (like Sale).
And no, it doesn’t matter how stacked the Cubs are. If he had those odds of becoming a star, they would not have traded him, and they either wouldn’t have signed Heyward in the first place, or they’d move him to center to accommodate for Soler.
strike4
Should be a win-win. Would love to see Jorge blossom in KC. He’s still quite young so its quite possible.
Jmac54
This is a good deal for both teams especially considering that both players have injury issues. The Royals get a talented outfielder with power and good on base skills (something they desperately need) and the Cubs get a top of the line closer to replace Mr 105. Both players are all stars if healthy.
stl_cards16 2
It’s always fun to see the flip of fans after a trade
Cubs fans before the trade: “Davis had arm troubles last year, no way he is worth anything more than Soler”
After: “What a steal! An All-Star RP for a bust”
Royal fans before: “Davis will bring a huge return. No way Soler is the centerpiece”
After: “We got a young OF with loads of power and potential for just 1 year of bullpen arm with injury questions”
Priggs89
Lol that’s always the best part. I’m just happy I haven’t seen White Sox fans ripping Chris Sale and talking about his arm falling off. I’m sure it’s out there somewhere, but thankfully I haven’t seen it.
Jmac54
You are just mad because the Cardinals weren’t in on this.
stl_cards16 2
Not mad at all. This wasn’t a shot at Cubs and Royals fans. Cardinal fans do the same and I still think it’s funny then.
ASapsFables
It’s tough to be critical of the Cubs front office after what they have accomplished in their short time with the team. That being said, does anyone else have a problem with their recent trades for closers?
Aroldis Chapman was certainly a key component for the Cubs down the stretch on their way to a World Series championship but he also cost plenty in terms of prospects for a 3 month rental. Now they acquire Wade Davis, who is another potential one year closer rental and also coming off some injury issues in 2016, for a young MLB ready talent in Jorge Soler. Yeah, I get it that most of these prospects and Soler where pretty much blocked at the MLB level by other young core players but wouldn’t it have been better had the Cubs invested in starting pitching rather than the bullpen, especially this offseason.
The Cubs had the option of re-signing Chapman which could have made those traded prospects last summer a moot point. Another option would have been to sign Kenley Jansen (my preference) and punt their first round draft pick this June, which would have been the last one in the regular phase since they were the champs. By tagging Dexter Fowler with a qualifying offer, they will recoup that pick a little further down in the compensatory phase once he signs his FA deal elsewhere.
It seems to me, the Cubs would have been better off using Soler as a starting point in trade discussions for a controllable starting pitcher, especially with their lack of depth this season and the strong possibility that both Jake Arrieta and John Lackey will be gone as FA’s after the upcoming season.
AddisonStreet
No issues. They won 103 games, the World Series, and have to be favorites again going into next year. Trust in Thehoyer.
CursedRangers
They got a ring – that’s all that matters. As a lifelong Ranger fan, I’m still dreaming of the day my franchise finally wins the WS. I could care less if we win or lose a trade if it gets us that trophy.
JKB 2
The Cubs shoring up the bullpen does not mean they cannot go after starting pitching. By stating the Cubs should have invested in starting pitching instead is to infer they cannot do both or that they have to do one first and that makes little sense.
You are not getting young controllable starting pitching for Soler. Who do you want? Archer? Smiley? Soler alone does not land them. Carrasco? Indians passed on Soler last year.
We need our front office to do what they are doing. Improve the team where it can. When opportunities arise make the deal. They did. You want them to pass on Davis and only look for starting pitching. That is not what good executives do. Also do you really think they are not having conversations with Clubs about starting pitching like they cant do both?
To say they should just sign Chapman is easy to just say. But the fact is you dont just say hey Chapman here is a contract sign it! It costs money. He wants $100 million. Sorry you dont just pay that so you can keep Soler and the fact the Cubs traded talent for Chapman was Theo’s calculation that they needed it to win the World Series. Guess what. He was right and they won it! Rondon and Strop got hurt in September. They do not even win the pennant without Chapman.
Also you dont just pay him $100 million because you traded prospects. Cubs made the trade to win it all and they did.
You sound like a blackjack player in Vegas doubling down and chasing or the stock investor who throws good money chasing a stock because they put money in or the homeowners who are upside down but will not sell because they put $X dollars into the house and they need to get the money back.
Lastly whenever someone says “with that said” you know whatever they say before it is bs. If you want to be critical of the Cubs trades don’t pretend like you are not and then “with that said” rip them. Just stand up and say what you think.
kgcubs
Aloha CubSox- I have to admit, I was hoping that Soler would be in a package for both a starter and reliever. I know most folks say that Baez is not touchable but never say never. What if the FO could have persuaded the Indians for Carrasco & Miller for Soler & Baez? Saves a smaller market team a lot of $$$, plus they wanted a rhd hitter with power, comes cheaper than Trumbo and they get controllable years for both Jorge and Javier. I thought if the FO could not work it out with Cleveland how about dealing with the Rays for Odorizzo & Colome? Many say Archer is the one to go for but I think if you got Jake, it would be great because again, young controllable arms at a very good good price. I am not sure how much Arrieta/Lackey/Montero can bring by the trade deadline in 2017? One would hope great prospects would come back like what the Yankees got for Chapman. Anyhow, I really hope things work out for Soler as he will finally get more playing time and hope since Davis has pitched for Maddon before that he is excited and preparing to get into great health so he has no issues in 2017! Mahalo.
1e828d29
So far so good and we will cross that bridge when we get there. It’s scary to think about. We could lose our entire farm for pitching or we could pay for free agents.
muggs
Cubs after Holland still. Holland has interest, but closer guarantees elsewhere. Could happen!