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firstbleed
Stearns keeping a 29-year-old on the roster with a career slash line of .224/.312/.388 is baffling. Especially when he could have kept others on the 40 man that will now be selected in the Rule 5 draft. smh.
sjd1
Guys such as Nieuwenhuis and Maldonado get more criticism from Brewers fans than they deserve simply because of what they shouldn’t be (everyday starters). Both were above average backups at their respective positions last season. Heck, while I know Jay has more of a track record, he had 0.1 WAR more on Fangraphs than Nieuwenhuis and got eight times this contract. Is he a longterm piece? Not really. But he’s a major league caliber player.
kent814
Just to be clear, do you mean jon jay?
sngehl01
Jon Jay had a 1.1 WAR in 2016 in only 90 games/375 PA.
Nieuwenhuis had a 0.6 WAR in 2016 with 125 games / 392 PA
Draw your own conclusions, but it doesn’t appear as close as you are trying to imply.
sjd1
Fangraphs has Nieuwenhuis as 1 WAR. And Jon Jay was who I was talking about. I realize that Jay has the longer track record and is the better player, but that contract indicates he’s still looked at as at least a lower-tier starting center fielder. The fact that Nieuwenhuis was reasonably close should indicate a solid backup. And it isn’t like he’s blocking anyone. Lewis Brinson isn’t going to be brought up to sit on the bench, and Michael Reed’s offensive numbers at the hitters’ paradise that is Colorado Springs weren’t that much better than Nieuwenhuis’ were in Milwaukee. Any free agents who’d sign on to be a backup on a rebuilding team would likely be older, worse or, more likely, both. He’s not a starting center fielder, but his performance last year was worthy of a roster spot.
firstbleed
The problem isn’t Kirk himself, it’s that Stearns should be throwing higher upside players out there right now. Brewers are not competing this season so now is the time to experiment and see what you got. Players like him are a dime a dozen. Would have rather seen Adam Walker out there 3 games a week.
brewcrewontherise
Adam walker isn’t even on the team!!! He got claimed by the orioles. If your going to post, you gotta know what the hell your talking about because clearly you don’t pay much attention.
firstbleed
Thanks for bringing your 2 cents to the table and making this personal when on one else was.
I said ‘Would have rather seen’, Brewers could have kept Walker on the roster at the expense of Kirk but Stearns chose the other option. That is what I’m referring to.
Didn’t realize there where that many Kirk fans out there!
MatthewBaltimore23
Jay was hurt last season.
brewcrewontherise
Do you realize that not every player is going to work out and become an everyday player? The brewers already have a stacked farm system, and didn’t loose anything dramatic to the rule 5 draft. The team needs people like nieuwenhuis, solid role players that have been in the bigs for a while and can be a presence in the club house. I like the move, hes an easy trade piece for when they want to bring up Phillips or Brinson, or a fill in if they decide to trade Braun.
stl_cards16 2
They didn’t lose anything dramatic in the Rule V draft that hasn’t happened yet? I’m shocked.
baymenxpac
I like the Mets keeping Rivera. He ended up being Syndergaard’s personal catcher, and he really adds an element behind the plate for the Mets (I still love d’Arnaud’s upside; he calls a great game and frames pitches with the best of them, but he can’t throw a lick).
drillsergeanthartman
Completely agree. He’s great for the backup catcher role on top of working well with Syndergaard.
A'sfaninUK
-0.3 WAR = tendered a contract.
The A’s are just insulting their fanbase this offseason. Alonso sucks.
Chefno2
A 1B that never had a SLG over .400, never had a WAR above 1.1, never had double digit HR in a season, has only 39 HR in his entire career, and was the reason the Padres traded away Anthony Rizzo. Don’t know how he still has a job. Total joke.
A'sfaninUK
Billy Beane (and Forst I guess too) is officially just an average GM/roster-maker now. Too many mis-steps to be considered elite anymore. The quicker they get him away from making roster moves, the better.
Chefno2
I have to agree there. He might have been ahead of his time a decade ago, but now he’s fallen behind.
I’m not an A’s fan, but I have such disappointment in the moves they’ve made. 2014 was the first real eye opener for me when they traded away Cespedes while in the playoff hunt, and traded away all those prospects for Samardzija and Hammel. Hated that move then, and hate it even more now. Pair that with their horrible stadium and you have to feel sorry for them.
rycm131
They are obviously aiming for the first pick in the draft
A'sfaninUK
If they miss the playoffs in 2014 by keeping Donaldson, Cespedes & Russell, they would have probably kept making them from 2015-16. Maybe the dumbest move I’ve seen a “genius” make.
Then crying poor and signing Jim Johnson for $10M, Nakajima for $6M to not play a single game in the bigs, and of course Billy Butler for $30M, no, they aren’t poor at all, its all a ruse to cover by just how bad Beane has become at building a team. Sure, he did really well on his ’15+’16 deadline trades, and his last couple drafts have been decent, but he’s wildly failed in the offseasons and this one has been shockingly bad when you consider the supposed big regime change and now he has the 4th richest owner in the game writing checks for him who….proceeds to not spend any money on players. They could have easily beat out the Mets for Cespedes but didn’t, why? Isn’t their upcoming contention window starting in 2018? Bringing Yo back for 5 years would have bought back a lot of fans who definitely are not going to pay to watch Matt Joyce and Yonder Alonso.
arc89
Alonso is not s bad as some of you make him out to be. He is a very good 1B. His hitting is nothing special but with such a bad defensive team you must have a good 1B. The A’s infield has some very bad arms and range so without a real 1B they would break records with errors.
MatthewBaltimore23
Totally agree. Except maybe not feeling so bad-spend a little, more owners.
Chefno2
arc89
He just came off a season where he had a -1.1UZR in 1136.1 Innings which is his most played at that position since 2012.
Could it be worse? Absolutely. But since he doesn’t do anything with the bat he needs his defense to be at least above average to quantify being worth a roster spot.
Erik Trenouth
I’d be quite happy if the Jays traded Smoak for him.
Danthemilwfan
We clearly hit the point where we are 100% going to lose this year and Braun and Carter are really the last pieces with value to trade that aren’t cheap and or controllable pieces. Garza sucks but what are ya gonna do? No one wants him.
TheChanceyColborn
Carter was nontendered wasn’t he?
firstbleed
Technically ‘Designated for Assignment’. So he could be traded in the next few days or ultimately released and become a Free Agent.
notagain27
Carter I believe will be a free agent tonight at 8PM. Why would anyone trade for him when he isn’t worth what he would receive going through arbitration?
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holecamels35
Maybe I’m thinking of someone else, but didn’t the Padres trade Anthony Rizzo because of the presence of Yonder Alonso? That has to hurt.
koldjerky
No. pretty sure rizzo was traded for cashner and then latos was traded for Alonso.
firstbleed
You got it correct, unfortunately the Padres did not. Less than a month after they traded for Yonder they shipped Rizzo to the Cubs.
Dec 17. 2011 – Yonder to SD from CIN
Jan 6, 2012 – Rizzo to CHC from SD
A'sfaninUK
Ah, yes. When I want to feel like Beane is a bad GM I need to be pointed out just how bad all Padres GM’s have been for almost 2 decades now. Like, at least Beane was a genius for a while, whereas SD has just made horrendous move after horrendous move. They gave Kluber away for no reason too, and haven’t had a 1st rd pick pan out in maybe the last 20 years. lol, there’s always someone worse off….
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
The Kluber trade only looks bad in hindsight. The Padres were in the race, they needed some power in the outfield, and they got it for a struggling 24 year old AA repeater. Kluber may have figured things out 4 years later, but sometimes those things happen in baseball. The Rizzo trade was inexcusable.
markmc1235
I’m really confused why oak would give alonso 4 million. Couldn’t they have non tendered him and brought him back for around half that. Was there a threat of another team swooping in and signing him if he was non tendered? I really doubt it. He’s sucky. I wouldn’t take him on my team for free especially if I’m a team like Oakland that is trying to pinch pennies and save money
julyn82001
Like Alonso… Look for a rebound year…
McGlynnandjuice
Why did the Giants waste $1 million on gearrin… the guy has never been good and takes up a 40 man spot
gilgunderson
He was one of the more effective relivers out of the Giants’ bullpen last season until he got injured and tried to pitch through it.
mike156
Steve–was the Brett Lawrie price a product of the team saying they would non-tender him if he didn’t accept a lower value?
stormie
For a young guy who provides value and could still break out, it seems unlikely they would’ve outrighted him rather than paying the extra $1.6 million. Not like the Sox are even trying to contend and need every couple million they can find to maximize their roster, they’re basically in rebuild mode, so why give away assets?
bravesfan1998
Alonzo hits good if y’all want power tell em to get Carter
padreforlife
Alonzo hits good! Lol
padreforlife
Alonzo for 4 mil is fine he can field so for going nowhere A’s it works