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Brixton
What do the Mariners gain, they’re paying more money for a lesser player
alexgordonbeckham
I bet money is going to Seattle.
Edit: and it appears to be true as after I typed this comment, it was added that there is cash as well.
ronnsnow
The gain a pitcher, who does not get rave reviews as a catcher or outfielder.
Dookie Howser, MD
Aaaaand its dead. RIP “rave reviews” comments being funny. Jan 3-Jan 6, 2017
dutch91701
If the resident doctor proclaims it dead, it must be so.
AidanVega123
Can I get a “rip” in the chat please
IACub
I’m still laughing at it
mcdusty31
It should never die
mcdusty31
I’m actually going to have to ask you to surrender your license to practice medicine
MB923
As am I. I don’t think it’s going to die anytime soon.
staypuft
Baseball talk is serious business guys, don’t crack jokes in chat
wiggysf
Neither does this comment
dutch91701
Seems a little circular, given shipping out Walker earlier this offseason. But depending on how much cash was sent with Gallardo, it could be a decent series of moves. Sending away a starter you have to pick one up somewhere and Gallardo is certainly better than bringing up a AAAA guy. Smith is a good piece, but he’s not a world beater. 108 OPS but he should be even better in Camden, same as Gallardo should be better at Safeco.
BaltimOrioles2016
Oh yeah Mr. Krabs, we need Smith and we don’t need Gallardo because we had six guys for five SP slots
SuperSinker
Depth at SP is kind of necessary, unless you think you only need 5 SP to get through 162 games.
reflect
I’m very confused on why you addressed this comment to Mr. Krabs.
jayswethenorth
Wow. What a play by the Orioles. Nice
zack0035
Baltimore gave up a first rounder to sign Gallardo last year. Probably regretting that now. Lol
l3ade12
Gallardo is only a year removed from being a solid rotation piece. I guess the Mariners think they can fix him. Does the acquisition of Seth Smith affect Mark Trumbo?
AidanVega123
Probably insurance in case they don’t get Trumbo
alexgordonbeckham
What does the Orioles lineup look like currently?
davidcoonce74
Around the horn its Castillo, Davis, Schoop, Hardy and Machado. The outfield is Kim, Davis, and Smith although Kim will be in a platoon with Rickard. DH is probably going to be one of the FA bats left because if not it’s going to be Trey Mancini.
alexgordonbeckham
So basically no chance of them being interested in Melky even if the Sox picked up more than half the remaining contract? Could do a rotating OF/DH to keep guys healthy.
IACub
That’s possible, but they could probably get one of the 1B/DH free agents on a one year deal. Cabrera seems more like a summer deal to me.
alexgordonbeckham
I do agree with this. Could totally see them signing Carter or Alvarez.
fs54
What happened to Jones? I guess you meant Jones when you said Kim, Davis, and Smith.
davidcoonce74
Oops, sorry. Got my generic last names mixed up. But yeah, Adam Jones.
jakeperrow
As a Mariner fan this is highly disappointing that this is the starter we’ve settled on.
davidcoonce74
He’s an innings eater, should have better results in Seattle and in an easier division. With the uncertainty in the rotation in Seattle, they could do worse than a 4/5 starter who can absorb innings. Smith is a useful outfielder, and obviously Baltimore is trying to fill holes on the cheap.
mstrchef13
If you need to eat innings 1 through 5, yes, but he definitely doesn’t eat any innings after that. I hope you are not as frustrated as O’s fans were at his complete unwillingness to attack a hitter or even throw an intentional strike. The number of strike one, strike two, ball one, ball two, ball three, line drive at bats last year was maddening.
davidcoonce74
Like most pitchers, Gallardo was pretty dominant with two strikes. Batters hit 219/309.318 against him with two strikes. When the count was 0-2 they hit 125/125/156.
His problem comes when he gets behind hitters, especially because his stuff isn’t what it was. But when he got ahead of hitters he was effective.
jakeperrow
We don’t need a 4/5. We need a legit 2/3
24TheKid
Were you expecting Jose Quintana? Remember that he is just supposed to be a end of the rotation not a number 2.
jakeperrow
Again, we need a 2/3
SuperSinker
I think you’ll be surprised with Paxton, he’s supremely talented.
R.D.
Until last year Gallardo has been crazy consistent. Could do a helluva lot worse.
niched
True, and if Gallardo pitches well for Seattle then he’ll be a nice pickup for them. The problem is that even before the 2016 season people knew Gallardo’s shoulder was very iffy. Gallardo could have just had a bad year, but if I remember correctly based on his medicals people weren’t sure if he could even start anymore. The Orioles are happy to get rid of Gallardo’s contract even if it was only for a bag of baseballs. They aren’t expecting Seth Smith to be the next Nick Markakis.
RyanR
Wow
TheBoatmen
Nice trade for the Orioles. Probably the end for Trumbo to the Orioles though.
jdgoat
Why Seattle?
bigpapijuicer
U mad bro
monava83
this a good move by the Mariners, Yovani will fit better at Safeco than at Camden….. Also Yovani should be 100% healthy this year last year wasn’t his best health wise and with the stuff he has he can’t afford pitching at 80% health
dwilson10
That’s a good deal for the O’s. I can see Smith mainly platooning at DH with Mancini and the O’s still trying to acquire a solid RFer.
dodgerfan711
The orioles forfeited a mid 1st round pick to sign him. Yikes no wounder their farm system is bad
hojostache
Gallardo has a shot at bouncing back too…..
The O’s can’t get out of their own way. I totally forgot about their forfeiting a pick for Gallardo, ouch.
bigpapijuicer
Wat. Gallardo is done and terrible.
How can’t the O’s get out of their own way? Best record in the AL over the last 5 years and 3 playoff appearances during that time. I guess they shouldn’t get out of their own way and keep making the playoffs.
siddfinch1079
Tell that to all their fans who show up to the ballpark by the dozens…
bigpapijuicer
4th in MLB in TV viewership last year. A great fanbase that prefers to watch the games from home.
sellers6
Like the move, clears room for Haniger and eventually O’Neill
dshires4
Smith was never blocking O’Neill to begin with.. Smith’s contract is up after 2017 and I doubt we see Tyler in Seattle in ’17 anyway.
crazysull
Don’t the O’s need rotation help? I don’t think trading away a starter helps with that goal.
orangeoctober 2
Gallardo likely wasn’t going to make the rotation in Baltimore this year anyway
Michael Macaulay-Birks
Right because their depth chart is so deep, give me a break
bigpapijuicer
Tillman, Gausman, Bundy, Miley and Ubaldo are all clearly better than Gallardo. Maybe even Wilson, Wright and Verrett too.
Do some research before you make yourself look like an idiot.
soxfan1
Miley is just as bad as YG
mcdusty31
Yeah I wouldn’t say clearly better
mcdusty31
Miley and Ubaldo I mean of course
davbee
Good move for the Mariners. They needed rotation depth and had few at bats for Smith. Gallardo goes to a bigger home ballpark which might help mask his increasing longball tendencies.
E munchy
If Gallardo starts the season off healthy (unlike last year) and gets to pitch in Seattle he could really bounce back. Sucks the Orioles submitted a pick to sign this guy last year just to trade him away the following year. I actually wanted to see what this guy had to offer this year if he came into the season healthy. Oh well…
Hopefully there’s another move coming because I’d be pretty disappointed if the answer to the 6 guys for one spot was trading Gallardo and leaving Wade Miley in the rotation.
As a person that has never kept track of Seth Smith what type of player is this guy? I can look at that stats all day but that doesn’t tell the whole story.
monava83
I dont know if you remember David Murphy from the Rangers …. he is kinda the Mariners version of him, slap hitter with some occasional pop and can man the outfield pretty solid…
davbee
Smith is strictly a platoon player. He’ll need to be partnered with a right handed hitting of/dh.
SuperSinker
He does the most valuable thing a position player can do, hit RHP.
bosox90
Where’s jwood when you need him
sellers6
Does this mean the Mariners are out on Hammel or is there any chance they get a second starter
davbee
More likely Hammel is out on the Mariners..
strostro
Yovani Gallardo doesn’t get rave reviews
monava83
He doesn’t but he’s pretty solid pitcher…. he reminds me of Colby Lewis…or Kyle Lohse
jabmets
Well that’s one Less team for the Mets to trade Bruce. Forget it trade grandy for a high level prospect
hojostache
Yeah….Bruce is going to take awhile. I’m okay with him starting the season with the Mets. He’ll put up some numbers, but he’ll have to be moved eventually. There are always a handful of guys who go down, hopefully the Mets can capitalize. The worst outcome would be them eating his money and getting a bag of balls for him. I think Sandy is smart enough to not go down that road. I hope.
chesteraarthur
If they could have traded grandy for a high level prospect (unless by high level you just mean someone in triple a) i think they would have already.
ck420
Horrible move for Seattle his shoulder is done cannot believe they made this move
attgig
great move for O’s. Duquette working some magic to get this deal done…
Dookie Howser, MD
Curious how much cash is moving. Couldn’t the O’s have picked up one of the dozen middle of the road corner outfield bats out of Free Agency for less?
hojostache
This move could work out for both sides. The O’s needed some flexibility in a bat and the Mariners needed a back end guy. Whoever mentioned Kyle Lohse earlier really nailed it. I think Gallardo has a bit more talent, but comes from the same mold as a guy who can eat up innings as a #4-#5 and seems to fit into any club/clubhouse he lands.
NineChampionsips
Good trade for Seattle. Gallardo should be much better pitching in Safeco and having a better defense behind him. They needed a starter for the backend of the rotation and they got one without having to sell the farm. I like what the JeDi has done with the Mariners roster for 2017.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
LOL, the O’s defense is solid as they come when healthy and Machado is motivated
Gallardo had a problem last year keeping the ball in the park, when the ball does not stay in the park, it does not matter who you have on defense.
davbee
1.2 HR/9 rate Not great, but not horrid.. He had a better home run rate than Bundy or Gausman.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Well, he had a problem somewhere a couple of times,
I know I got annoyed about something and a little before Jim Palmer was yelling.
Maybe it was a combination of walks, home-runs, and/or getting hit hard in a lot of games last year, the O’s defense had nothing to do with it.
Either way, I was hoping to keep him, but he is gone and I wish him luck.
orangeoctober 2
He just wasn’t 100% basically all of last season. I think that really hurt his pitching since he doesn’t have a lot of MPH to sacrifice. That was probably his biggest issue honestly. Pitching in Safeco over Camden Yards would definitely benefit any pitcher though, along with not pitching so many games in the AL East parks.
mike156
Anyone have any idea what the asking price for Bruce is?
staypuft
I think a while ago, the rumor was that they wanted a good reliever for him. I’m curious what they’re asking for now.
toycannon
Because past trades with the Orioles have worked out so well for Seattle. It is official. I miss Jack Z.
davbee
Miranda for Miley, a DiPoto win for Seattle.
Eli E.
Jones Tillman sherrill two others for bedard a win for Baltimore
Solaris611
The only thing shakier than the back end of Baltimore’s rotation is the front end of San Diego’s rotation. Miley gets rocked hard more often than not, and nobody is more inconsistent than Jimenez. Showalter prob doesn’t get much sleep the nights prior to their starts.
oceansnake84
Thats very true not to mention pitching in Camden Yards doesn’t help.
oceansnake84
Well the Mariners just got worse today not to mention the extra 4m they now have to pay Gallardo.
bmore12
I have no clue how dan duquette pulled this one off… but he did something useful for once
seamaholic 2
No, bad deal for O’s. They now have two lefty corner OF they have to platoon, and no one to platoon them with. They should have gone for a better player who can play every day.
SuperSinker
Finding a platoon OF who can handle the large portion of PA’s v. RHP is much more difficult than finding a platoon partner for him. They’ve got the hard work done.
niched
Signing Gallardo in the first place was the bad move for the O’s. Getting rid of Gallardo, along with his salary, for a useful outfielder is a great move for them. Can’t understand why the Mariners would trade a good player for Gallardo with the terrible season he had last year.
Jonesyy
Seemingly fair for both sides. O’s must be kicking themselves a little though as they had to relinquish a first round pick to sign Gallardo and he didn’t even pitch a full season.
jlv3gem
Orioles once again getting over on the Mariners in a trade. Like this move as an Orioles fan
ElasticSyntax 2
Not as bad as Bedard for Jones or Clevenger for Trumbo.
micg
It was even worse than that. Adam Jones and Chris Tillman + for Bedard
whereslou
You guys are high Smith is not a good OFer. He has a fair bat against RHP but that is about it. Wait till you see how slow he is. It won’t be so bad because your OF at Camden is so much smaller but he is slow and takes bad routes at times. You will see.
niched
The Orioles are happy to get rid of Gallardo’s contract even if it was only for an expensive bag of baseballs. Nobody thought Gallardo had any trade value, and then the O’s end up getting rid of his contract and his bad shoulder for a decent player. They aren’t expecting Seth Smith to be the next Nick Markakis.
tigsfan
Definitely a change of scenery trade (Ernesto Frieri for Jason Grilli anyone), but with this deal looking better (not by much) for Baltimore than Seattle. As much as Dipoto has said he doesn’t like to sign free agents, I think he will be adding a second tier OF, especially if the market continues to slowly develop and the prices keep dropping. A Brandon Moss r Desmod Jennings type wouldn’t be a shocker
GarryHarris
In 2016, the O’s had 5 SPs with ERAs over 5.25. They started 84 games. Its a miracle they made the post season. Are the O’s expecting another one?
niched
Getting rid of their worst starter, in theory, should help their starting ERA. O’s are relying on Bundy and Gausman getting better and Tillman and Jimenez bouncing back. Plus they have one of the league’s dominant bullpens. They’ll live and die by that for 2017. Probably for the moment their model is the KC Royals pitching staff of a couple years ago. Remember, the O’s have had winning records 4 out of the last 5 years. They’re good at making adjustments relative to their strengths, but yes they do need more good starting pitching. Getting rid of Gallardo is a good move on the way to decent starting pitching.
niched
Well, three of the O’s starters — Mike Wright, Wade Miley and Tyler Wilson — were never really part of the starting rotation. But yes, your point is taken. Still the O’s would rather go with any of these guys than go with Gallardo again.