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elscorchot
You guys used to be the fastest of reporting baseball news. Now, I read about deals hours before you write about it. Guess it’s one less site I have to check.
mattdsmith
The point isn’t to always get it the fastest. I have read of “deals” from other sources that ended up being reported too soon and never happened. MLBTR compiles trade rumors and deals that are reputable. I prefer they don’t jump the gun.
elscorchot
I agree with you about not getting it first. You’re right on that. However, I read of most of these deals hours before on the teams own websites. Also, when the title if the site, is “rumors”, you can also just point to it being reported, not fact yet.
elscorchot
*of, not if
davidcoonce74
For a guy who just said above that this is one less site you have to check, then why are you still here in the comments section? This is a free website that aggregates news stories. You aren’t required to be here.
chesteraarthur
like the reported wil myers deal?
Tasman
Myers is overrated!!!!!
davbee
Great! Guess it’s one less insipid post I’ll have to wade through.
elscorchot
If you have to “wade through” posts, I’m surprised you find comfort here anyways. I’d give you credit for a good vocabulary word in “insipid”, but your post contradicts it.
davbee
Damn, now I had to wade through two lame posts.. Can’t even count on you keeping your word and taking your talents(?) someplace else.
yogineely
Damn, now I have to look up the word “insipid”
JKurk22
I don’t come to MLBTR to find the information first necessarily. Sometimes they are first sometimes not. However, I come here to find more thorough reports. MLBTR gives more info / speculation / background than most other sites do.
jmgara
Bye, Felicia
37santobanks
Beat me to it!
TrueOutcomeFan
🙁
thebare
That’s true you where the best step your game back up
mcdusty31
Are the Braves going to turn Vizcaino loose as their closer this year or what?
thebare
Trade him to the Cubs for Tommy LaStella
thebare
Re do Viscaino braves for Tom LaStella
BrodiesHairisGreezy!
TDA better have a very good Spring or they Mets will cut him before the Cut-loose date. In this case it would be well-deserved. So-far he looks to be a AAAA player.
lesterdnightfly
Rosenthal’s contract will be another albatross for the Cards, along with Wong’s.
jakem59
You have no idea what Albatross actually means do you.
Robertowannabe
Albatross, that’s the good tuna, isn’t it??
Bartis
I think that is Tyler and Joe’s Daddy.
Bartis
Tyson too
lesterdnightfly
Yes, I do. But please enlighten us with your definition and favored use.
jakem59
I asked you first, but sure. An albatross is a mental burden, that follows you around or “haunts” you. Like a curse. The Red Sox selling Babe Ruth, The Cubs kicking out a Billy Goat, the Eddie Grant Statue and the Giants, these were albatrosses.
$6.4MM for essentially a one year deal on Rosenthal and $2.5MM, $4MM, $6.5, $10.25MM, and $12.5 (or $1.5MM buyout) salary for the next 5 years of Wong (who has posted above league average numbers on offense and defense for his career) is not in any way, shape, or form an albatross for a team that has the Cardinals resources.
lesterdnightfly
OK, I say we are close. Here’s a version of the meaning as I use here:
“A metaphor for a dead weight or burden that one must carry, especially when the burden is not a literal one but a stigma of some kind that one cannot easily discard or throw off. ”
I don’t apply the “curse” aspect that Coleridge added to the story of the sailor. You can if you wish.
But I did, and do, have an idea of what albatross means. Just because we differ on finer points, I see no reason for you to condescend.
As to the players, I think Rosey will decline from injury and/or loss of effective stuff. He has become much more hittable and unreliable in crucial spots in a game. He no longer dominates, and I project that he never will again. He will be overpaid and hard to get rid of.
Wong was a stretch when he was extended. He has not proven that he can sustain a full season of success and be relied upon as a solid MLB starter. To me he is overpaid yet must remain in the lineup to justify Mo’s extension. So Mo pressures Matheny to use Wong regularly, part of which I understand in that his above-average glove offsets the substandard defense of his infield mates Diaz and Carpenter. But you can get a much cheaper fill-in and open the door for other prospects/trades without Wong. And to me, Wong’s trade value is low; lower now with a long contract.
Those things make their contracts “burdens that are difficult to discard.” Too many of these, and it’s a stigma.
As an aside, I often think that the Cards’ default is to use whoever makes it easier for Matheny to make out a lineup card, which he struggles with — unless it’s to ink in his own favorites day after day. cf. Holliday.
Perhaps I can use “anchor” or “dead weight” in the future and we can talk more baseball stuff.
chesteraarthur
Wong has been more average/below offensively than above.
yogineely
Albatross is a large bird
jakem59
…You used Urban Dictionary for a definition…
Albatross is a metaphor from the poem “The Rime of the Ancient Mariner” it literally refers to an Albatross, the bird, the killing of which cast a curse over the sailors and the ship.
Rosenthal has been a good bullpen arm before the shoulder problems and looked like his old self upon his return from the DL in September. $6MM is a pittance in todays market and if he struggles in any capacity he’s a very simple release candidate or a non-tender at the end of the year. There’s no such thing as a bad 1-year contract.
While the Cardinals did jump to ink Wong extremely early, the contract is relatively cheap for the first several years. You’re not getting anything close to his production, offensively or defensively, for what they’ll be paying him the next two years. ($2.5MM and $4MM) and even the $6MM third year isn’t expensive in today’s market His trade value is only helped by the fact he’s not hitting arbitration and locked into relatively cheap salaries until 2020. That’s why he’s been linked into rumors all offseason. Teams like him and his abilities on that contract. The notoriously stingy Royals were even calling about him.
Rosenthal’s contract is beyond easy to discard, he’s arb eligible for a few more years and essentially on one year deals and Wong’s is as well the next several years, even with the $10MM pay day in 2020. Adeiny Hechavarria, who is far worse than Wong on offense will be making more than him for the next couple of years because he’s arbitration eligible. His contract is not handcuffing St. Louis nor is it hindering the team from adding value where is needs (see Dexter Fowler). There are far worse contracts on that team now and in the future.
Robertowannabe
You guys are way to deep for a baseball board. I’all stick to my real good tuna definition.
lesterdnightfly
jake: Yes, I know which version I used. There was no need for me to reinvent a good definition. And yes, I know where the term came from and its symbolism. I read the entire “Rime….” in school.
When I posted this, I didn’t expect the Spanish Inquisition ! But no one does….
As to the Cards, believe what you want. Wong still is lousy.
okinnitram
Can we expect an uptick in trades for some of these arb guys now that they have signed? I’m thinking that the acquiring team would prefer not to go through the arbitration process and appreciate cost certainty of players before pulling the trigger. Except for Dipoto, he’ll trade whenever!
mattdsmith
Your comment about Tanner Roark having an overaggressive projection neglects a post made by Matt Schwartz about his case being subject to a barrier set by Dontrelle Willis’s long-standing, since-broken record.
BoSoxs4life
Ur buddy’s Mom is a Hooker
Carlos_Santana_Greatest_Hits
I wonder how much she could make in arbitration?
wkkortas
I just hope Alderson didn’t shake hands too firmly with D’Arnaud, as that risks putting his Spring Training in jeopardy.
lildaddy
Arodys may turn it out this year.