This guy slammed the Polanco signing as the worst of the off-season, so I wouldn’t expect him to eat crow. Maybe PP got one year too many, but it was still a good signing.
If you think I’m some sort of delusional Mets fan, you’re trying to bark up the wrong tree. When it comes to my Mets, I’m about as pessimistic/realistic and self-deprecating as it comes.
In regards to Bay, I didn’t like the signing at the time, don’t like it now, and won’t like it anytime in the future.
I do not think you are a “delusional Met fan”. I am a Phillie fan, who is not very happy with what Ryan Howard’s contract will look like 5 years from now, and also criticize my team where it is called for.
Tell you what, can we agree that Oliver Perez’s and Raul Ibanez’s contracts are looking like albatross for us both?
dylanp5030
Okay, but this thread was based on who had a hot start, and he definitely did. I know 3 years was too many for him anyway, but this was purely based on production which he has clearly done.
Polanco didn’t place in any of the leaderboards I looked at, simple as that. Nothing to do with my opinion on his contract.
thelaser69
You could probably add Edmonds to the list. He’s been a nice surprise, especially as a minor league deal. In 17 games he’s hitting .298/.394/.474. I didn’t think he’d be playing as much as he is.
Thanks for the “token” Pineiro mention who has already proved to be a better signing then Lackey. And no mention of Matsui?????
0bsessions
Proved he’s a better signing three weeks into their respective contracts? With both of their respective career numbers?
Oh yeah, that statement doesn’t have ANY potential for blowing up in your face or anything. Lackey has had one, count them, ONE bad start this season against a team that is currently sporting the best record in the MLB. He managed to shut down the Yanks and the Twins (Two of the strongest offenses in the MLB right now, one of whom roughed up Pineiro just the other day). Pineiro’s off to a good start, but there’s way too much baseball left to play to make a statement like that.
I agree, there is a long season ahead for Pineiro.
Red33
Yes, I agree it is way to early to completely judge the better over all signing, but the topic was “Free Agent Hot Starts” and Pineiro is off to a better one.
I’m pretty glad Kelly Johnson’s on my fantasy teams.
RichMahogany
Remarkable how many of these guys looked like terrible or at least questionable signings. Of course they will likely turn out that way in the end.
Ferrariman
how sad is it that pineiro, who everyone was mocking as being a dumb signing, is outperforming john lackey who got about 70million more dollars than him.
nhsox
The Pinero situation is also interesting because the Cards essentially opted for Penny instead. Both have pitched well in the early going. I was was skeptical of how Pinero would fare in the AL without Dave Duncan and was uncertain as to why the Cardinals would take a risk on Penny. I thought that it was an indication that they did not expect a bidding price for Pinero to be worth the return.
Ferrariman
” the pineiro situation is intersting because the cards essentially opted for penny instead”
not quite. the cards front office basically assumed that pineiro would be into some big money and they already have 60% of their rotation locked up for multiple years. they wanted flexibility and got penny on a 1-year deal. if they new that pineiro would only get a 2/16 deal, im sure they would have offered.
jonathanroman24
piniero is a bum and he will get smacked back to reality in a coule months
lackey has been alright and hell get only better from here in out
Ferrariman
yeah, its hard for lackey to get worse right now. and if by bum, you mean having to face the yankees twice already in 2 of his 4 starts and still maintaining a sub-4 era out of the gate, than give me an entire rotation of “bums”
Red33
HAHA! Yeah, just like the last 2 seasons when he was on the DL for almost 1/4 of the season? Now that Lackey is a BoSux and still struggling, he’s nails right?
Yankees10
That Marlon Byrd catch was insanse
jwsox
that catch was one of the best i have ever seen right up there with “the catch” by dewayne wise alst year during buehrles perfect game. “The Catch” was not as cool but considering it saved the perfect game it gets a slight edge…But Byrds play and Buehrles play earlier this season are two of the best plays of the year so far and will be by years end
East Coast Bias
This looks like my fantasy baseball team =/
Ferrariman
people were laughing at me when i took penny as my 4th pitcher. now their begging for trades. i love it.
bjsguess
No love for Rodney? His 2nd inning of the season he gave up 4 runs. After that …
10 IP / 1 Hit / 4 BBs / 8 Ks / 0.00 ERA / 5 for 5 Save Opp / 186 OPS against … yeah – you read that right – 186 OPS against.
I know it won’t continue but please let us celebrate him before he totally implodes.
dylanp5030
Polanco?
Ryan
This guy slammed the Polanco signing as the worst of the off-season, so I wouldn’t expect him to eat crow. Maybe PP got one year too many, but it was still a good signing.
Moebarguy
Polanco needs to have a good year to earn that ridiculous contract he received.
Ryan
Off to a good start no? Unlike a certain LF in Queens….
Moebarguy
If you think I’m some sort of delusional Mets fan, you’re trying to bark up the wrong tree. When it comes to my Mets, I’m about as pessimistic/realistic and self-deprecating as it comes.
In regards to Bay, I didn’t like the signing at the time, don’t like it now, and won’t like it anytime in the future.
Zebradune
Way to give the guy a chance, geez….
Moebarguy
I hope I’m wrong, but it wasn’t a good signing. And not only was it a bad signing, but Omar spent, apparently, all his off-season money on him.
Unless Bay could also be a #2 starting pitcher, I don’t see how he was a worthy investment.
Taskmaster75
If Felipe Lopez and Joe Mather can do it…….
🙂
Ryan
I do not think you are a “delusional Met fan”. I am a Phillie fan, who is not very happy with what Ryan Howard’s contract will look like 5 years from now, and also criticize my team where it is called for.
Tell you what, can we agree that Oliver Perez’s and Raul Ibanez’s contracts are looking like albatross for us both?
dylanp5030
Okay, but this thread was based on who had a hot start, and he definitely did. I know 3 years was too many for him anyway, but this was purely based on production which he has clearly done.
martinfv2
Polanco didn’t place in any of the leaderboards I looked at, simple as that. Nothing to do with my opinion on his contract.
thelaser69
You could probably add Edmonds to the list. He’s been a nice surprise, especially as a minor league deal. In 17 games he’s hitting .298/.394/.474. I didn’t think he’d be playing as much as he is.
Moebarguy
I would have loved to have seen Edmonds in a Mets uniform instead of “Sarge.”
jwsox
edmunds will for sure be on a “come back player of the year so far” list if tim does one soon…him and andruw jones both
Mark
Molina’s OBP is totally sustainable.
Red33
Thanks for the “token” Pineiro mention who has already proved to be a better signing then Lackey. And no mention of Matsui?????
0bsessions
Proved he’s a better signing three weeks into their respective contracts? With both of their respective career numbers?
Oh yeah, that statement doesn’t have ANY potential for blowing up in your face or anything. Lackey has had one, count them, ONE bad start this season against a team that is currently sporting the best record in the MLB. He managed to shut down the Yanks and the Twins (Two of the strongest offenses in the MLB right now, one of whom roughed up Pineiro just the other day). Pineiro’s off to a good start, but there’s way too much baseball left to play to make a statement like that.
Moebarguy
I agree, there is a long season ahead for Pineiro.
Red33
Yes, I agree it is way to early to completely judge the better over all signing, but the topic was “Free Agent Hot Starts” and Pineiro is off to a better one.
Pineiro: 2-2 3.42ERA, 26.1 innings, 15 K’s, 1HR
Lackey: 2-1 5.09ERA, 23 innings, 11 K’s, 2HR
So a bad start to the team with the best record counts different in the standings then one to a average team? haha!
Bryan
yes, why no love for Matsui’s .274/.354/.488 4HR?
Red33
Fernando Rodney???
scottandwtb
I’m pretty glad Kelly Johnson’s on my fantasy teams.
RichMahogany
Remarkable how many of these guys looked like terrible or at least questionable signings. Of course they will likely turn out that way in the end.
Ferrariman
how sad is it that pineiro, who everyone was mocking as being a dumb signing, is outperforming john lackey who got about 70million more dollars than him.
nhsox
The Pinero situation is also interesting because the Cards essentially opted for Penny instead. Both have pitched well in the early going. I was was skeptical of how Pinero would fare in the AL without Dave Duncan and was uncertain as to why the Cardinals would take a risk on Penny. I thought that it was an indication that they did not expect a bidding price for Pinero to be worth the return.
Ferrariman
” the pineiro situation is intersting because the cards essentially opted for penny instead”
not quite. the cards front office basically assumed that pineiro would be into some big money and they already have 60% of their rotation locked up for multiple years. they wanted flexibility and got penny on a 1-year deal. if they new that pineiro would only get a 2/16 deal, im sure they would have offered.
jonathanroman24
piniero is a bum and he will get smacked back to reality in a coule months
lackey has been alright and hell get only better from here in out
Ferrariman
yeah, its hard for lackey to get worse right now. and if by bum, you mean having to face the yankees twice already in 2 of his 4 starts and still maintaining a sub-4 era out of the gate, than give me an entire rotation of “bums”
Red33
HAHA! Yeah, just like the last 2 seasons when he was on the DL for almost 1/4 of the season? Now that Lackey is a BoSux and still struggling, he’s nails right?
Yankees10
That Marlon Byrd catch was insanse
jwsox
that catch was one of the best i have ever seen right up there with “the catch” by dewayne wise alst year during buehrles perfect game. “The Catch” was not as cool but considering it saved the perfect game it gets a slight edge…But Byrds play and Buehrles play earlier this season are two of the best plays of the year so far and will be by years end
Yankees10
I definitely agree with that.
venn177
Dave Duncan turning a strikeout pitcher without the ability to strike guys out into a good groundball pitcher?
That’s totally new and hasn’t been done before.
furrski
How about Austin Kearns? He is the Indians’ whole offense right now.
Oliver86
That Brett Myers hasn’t been too shabby.
Trious
Both Ivan and Livan are doing quite well but it is obvious that they are simply starting strong….eventually they will fade