Was there a particular reason the Braves gave up on Devine so fast?
Ian_Smell
They got Mark Kotsay for him, who wouldn’t make that deal!?! But seriously, I don’t know. He was really good for them even if it was for a short time, and then he continued to improve in his time with the A’s. If he’s ever able to get healthy, he could be really good.
CrustyJuggler
How bout Jeff Clement VS. Alex Gordon? Can you believe those two when 2-3 in that draft pool?
Makes me sad as a Mariner fan to think that Seattle could have drafted Zimmerman, Braun, McCutchen, Tulowitzki, Ricky Romero, Ellsbury, Jay Bruce, Colby Rasmus, etc… I mean, jeezus. They could have blind-folded themselves, threw darts and came up with a better player than Clement.
jwredsox
even the pirates couldn’t mess that draft up!
start_wearing_purple
Hansen will always be a puzzle to me. I saw him pitch a few times when he was on and the movement on the ball was pure art from the moment it left his hand. Too bad he could never pitch consistently, he could have been a marvelous closer.
YuppieScum
Rumor always was that he was too much of a partier. In fact I did see him at the purple shamrock one time.
There were also rumors that the coaching staff screwed up his mechanics horribly/made changes that didn’t work out for him, and he was unable to overcome that.
Paul Hansen
How could Zimmerman ever be thought of as good as Braun? Zimmerman has been injured half the time, and Braun has been nothing but outstanding since he came up. He’s an above average outfielder, and a better hitter. So because Zimmerman plays D at 3rd he’s better? Absurd thinking.
CodyG
ummm….no
Some things that are wrong with this comment
*Ryan Braun is an above average defender….
*Zimmerman has had one season where he hasn’t reached 500 PA and that’s in 08 when he had 466
*Zimmerman is one of the best fielding 3B man according to many stats… I’m assuming you’re using something like Feilding% to back your argument which is a big mistake.
*there’s a little something called positional adjustment where the average OFer is going to outhit the average third baseman.
GermanYankee
Braun’s an above average outfielder? You’re joking, right? He’s hardly a better outfielder than Jermaine Dye or Adam Dunn.
Braun have been quite bad defensivly as a outfielder just not as bad as he was on third. Why can people say Zimmerman is as good or *GASP* even better then Braun well it’s simple Zimmerman is quite good defensivly and plays at position that have greater value and so far this season he’s better with the bat aswell.
Just_MLB
how about Wade Townsend vs Mike Pelfrey?
Wade went 8th in the draft…Pelfrey went 9th…
ThePaulCrew
Braun is by no means a liability in left field. He will barely ever screw up a routine defensive play, and he will rarely make a highlight reel defensive play as well. That being said, I would find it difficult to believe that any gm in majors would take zimm over braun because braun’s offense is that good.
Fullgatsu
Many advanced fielding stats disagree about that statement of Braun not being a liability left field in 2009 he had a UZR/150 -11.7 and so far in 2010 he’s on the way for a UZR/150 -25.1 though he was above average in 2008. DRS and RngR also had him as well under average for 2009-2010 while slightly above average in 2008. Some may not like advanced stats but when they all seem to be in agreement there seems to be some truth to it. While Braun doesn’t make many errors in LF he shows a lack of range which is why he’s said to be a liability.
Also currently Zimmerman is hitting better then Braun and plays a harder position with better defense. So I’m not so sure that many GM would take Braun over Zimmerman.
Guest 3357
Mike Pelfrey vs. Wade Townsend? Pelfrey is having a tremendous season while Townsend has yet to pitch in the majors.
55saveslives
Zimmerman and Braun are both great! Win/Win.
lionofsenate
How can you not have Alex Gordon listed? he was also a 3b and he was taken before BOTH Zimmerman and Braun.
It should say: Alex Gordon (Royals) vs Ryan Zimmerman (Nats) vs Ryan Braun (Brewers).
Otherwise good work.
fpz
They already did something like that a couple of articles ago. Zimm vs. Gordon
Ferrariman
colby rasmus vs jacoby ellsbury? my take is rasmus, but i might be bias their.
YuppieScum
Rumor always was that he was too much of a partier. In fact I did see him at the purple shamrock one time.
There were also rumors that the coaching staff screwed up his mechanics horribly/made changes that didn’t work out for him, and he was unable to overcome that.
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jon
Was there a particular reason the Braves gave up on Devine so fast?
Ian_Smell
They got Mark Kotsay for him, who wouldn’t make that deal!?! But seriously, I don’t know. He was really good for them even if it was for a short time, and then he continued to improve in his time with the A’s. If he’s ever able to get healthy, he could be really good.
CrustyJuggler
How bout Jeff Clement VS. Alex Gordon? Can you believe those two when 2-3 in that draft pool?
Makes me sad as a Mariner fan to think that Seattle could have drafted Zimmerman, Braun, McCutchen, Tulowitzki, Ricky Romero, Ellsbury, Jay Bruce, Colby Rasmus, etc… I mean, jeezus. They could have blind-folded themselves, threw darts and came up with a better player than Clement.
jwredsox
even the pirates couldn’t mess that draft up!
start_wearing_purple
Hansen will always be a puzzle to me. I saw him pitch a few times when he was on and the movement on the ball was pure art from the moment it left his hand. Too bad he could never pitch consistently, he could have been a marvelous closer.
YuppieScum
Rumor always was that he was too much of a partier. In fact I did see him at the purple shamrock one time.
There were also rumors that the coaching staff screwed up his mechanics horribly/made changes that didn’t work out for him, and he was unable to overcome that.
Paul Hansen
How could Zimmerman ever be thought of as good as Braun? Zimmerman has been injured half the time, and Braun has been nothing but outstanding since he came up. He’s an above average outfielder, and a better hitter. So because Zimmerman plays D at 3rd he’s better? Absurd thinking.
CodyG
ummm….no
Some things that are wrong with this comment
*Ryan Braun is an above average defender….
*Zimmerman has had one season where he hasn’t reached 500 PA and that’s in 08 when he had 466
*Zimmerman is one of the best fielding 3B man according to many stats… I’m assuming you’re using something like Feilding% to back your argument which is a big mistake.
*there’s a little something called positional adjustment where the average OFer is going to outhit the average third baseman.
GermanYankee
Braun’s an above average outfielder? You’re joking, right? He’s hardly a better outfielder than Jermaine Dye or Adam Dunn.
Fullgatsu
Braun have been quite bad defensivly as a outfielder just not as bad as he was on third. Why can people say Zimmerman is as good or *GASP* even better then Braun well it’s simple Zimmerman is quite good defensivly and plays at position that have greater value and so far this season he’s better with the bat aswell.
Just_MLB
how about Wade Townsend vs Mike Pelfrey?
Wade went 8th in the draft…Pelfrey went 9th…
ThePaulCrew
Braun is by no means a liability in left field. He will barely ever screw up a routine defensive play, and he will rarely make a highlight reel defensive play as well. That being said, I would find it difficult to believe that any gm in majors would take zimm over braun because braun’s offense is that good.
Fullgatsu
Many advanced fielding stats disagree about that statement of Braun not being a liability left field in 2009 he had a UZR/150 -11.7 and so far in 2010 he’s on the way for a UZR/150 -25.1 though he was above average in 2008. DRS and RngR also had him as well under average for 2009-2010 while slightly above average in 2008. Some may not like advanced stats but when they all seem to be in agreement there seems to be some truth to it. While Braun doesn’t make many errors in LF he shows a lack of range which is why he’s said to be a liability.
Also currently Zimmerman is hitting better then Braun and plays a harder position with better defense. So I’m not so sure that many GM would take Braun over Zimmerman.
Guest 3357
Mike Pelfrey vs. Wade Townsend? Pelfrey is having a tremendous season while Townsend has yet to pitch in the majors.
55saveslives
Zimmerman and Braun are both great! Win/Win.
lionofsenate
How can you not have Alex Gordon listed? he was also a 3b and he was taken before BOTH Zimmerman and Braun.
It should say: Alex Gordon (Royals) vs Ryan Zimmerman (Nats) vs Ryan Braun (Brewers).
Otherwise good work.
fpz
They already did something like that a couple of articles ago. Zimm vs. Gordon
Ferrariman
colby rasmus vs jacoby ellsbury? my take is rasmus, but i might be bias their.
YuppieScum
Rumor always was that he was too much of a partier. In fact I did see him at the purple shamrock one time.
There were also rumors that the coaching staff screwed up his mechanics horribly/made changes that didn’t work out for him, and he was unable to overcome that.