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Frank Miller
Joe Martinez was dealt to the Pirates before the trade deadline.
DanHaren
wasnt joe martinez traded to pittsburg at the deadline ?
Dave_Gershman
Clayton Tanner isn’t the typical San Francisco Giants pitcher.
I think their current rotation should be their 2011 rotation.
And Joe Martinez is on the Pirates.
Luke Adams
Thanks for the reminder on Martinez, guys. Forgot he was involved in that deal.
Dave_Gershman
Everyone makes mistakes Luke. You’re still the man.
gigantes2425
rotation should be pretty solid next year and the rest of this year.
nostocksjustbonds
Tanner hasn’t shown that he’ll be much more than a long-man or LOOGY. He just doesn’t throw hard enough. Other possibilities are still in A+ San Jose. Eric Surkamp is currently injured (hip), but was having a very nice season. Also, Jorge Bucardo just got promoted to San Jose and is a sleeper prospect. It’s likely, however, that he’d start in San Jose in 2011 and probably wouldn’t be major league ready until mid-2012 at the soonest. Also, they still have Michael Main, but he got lit up in his first go at AA and probably needs some mechanical retooling before he’s ready to make an impact. If that happened, he could provide some potential starting depth at some point in 2011.
Dave_Gershman
what about Kevin pucetas?
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He was considered as a potential 5th starter this past spring, but he’s been awful in AAA this year. 6.06 ERA, 1.747 WHIP, 6.2 K/9, 4.0 BB/9, 1.2 HR/9
nostocksjustbonds
He really hasn’t shown much in his 2nd season in the PCL where he’s been lit up on on a regular basis. He’s probably been worse than he was in 2009.
I forgot to mention, but lefty Eric Hacker has been the “ace” in Fresno since Mad Bum left. He gets a lot more groundballs and a few more Ks and would be a better option than Pucetas.
I really wouldn’t expect either player to make an impact in 2011 (or even make the team) and given the lack of starting depth the team has in the minors, it’s no wonder that Sabes is reluctant to move Sanchez for a bat.
Dave_Gershman
I mean we can just assume that barring a trade or injury, the current rotation will be the 2011 opening day rotation.
nostocksjustbonds
yup.
darumpshaka
He was traded… he was the “player to be named later” in the Jose Guillen trade… I believe… anyway I know he was traded and I know he was the player to be named later… look it up.
darumpshaka
Pucetas was the “player to be named later” in the Jose Guillen trade I believe…if it wasnt the Jose Guillen trade, it was for something else, but I know he was the “player to be named later” cuz I was a bit suprised they gave up on this guy
Dave_Gershman
This was my comment like 2 months ago.
nostocksjustbonds
I’d also add that while Sosa could be a possibility, he has probably lost stuff due to so many injuries and simply hasn’t proven durable enough to be a major league starter and more likely projects to be a reliever if he makes it to the show.
GiantsWSchamps2010
Barry Zito has been more then “effective” to me he has been the Giants best and most consistent starter. I like what I have seen from Bumgarner, he is a fast worker and throws strikes. Cain is having his usual good year with no run support and Sanchez has been inconsistent all year and doesn’t pitch deep enough into the game. Lincecum has been out of whack since the end of April, I can’t see the Giants being very successful without him figuring it out.
deere5800
I can see Lincecum flaming out sooner rather than later. He has a pretty violent delivery that probably can’t be supporter by his frame. Hopefully, though, for Giants fans he can do the Pedro Martinez and continue to be effective by becoming a more complete pitcher
NightManDefenderOfTheSun
Timmy’s mechanics will not lead to a flame-out. The delivery appears violent and would mess with most people, except this was fine-tuned by Tim and his dad as per Verducci’s article (sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/M…). The fact that his delivery is unique and even perhaps incongruous with his size doesn’t make him a risk; it’s what makes him great.
deere5800
Yeah, I read that article when it came out and was filled with great optimism that I too could throw it harder. The problem I have is that there are so many parts of his delivery that require precise timing and positioning. And while he may be exceptional in his ability to reproduce his delivery properly, the fact is that over the course of a 180-200 inning season he’s not going to reproduce that delivery perfectly every time. And when he messes his timing up he’s going to do more damage than the average pitcher, both because he’s small and he’s putting his arm in a more dangerous position.
I hope that I’m wrong and Verducci is right, but I fear at some point he’s going to run into severe arm troubles
David X
Clearly, the pen is where the Giants need to add pitchers. Perhaps a Wellemeyer type (but better) who can be a long man and plug into the rotation if one of the main five goes down. 2-3 more relievers, a lefty and a couple of righties, at the back end to get to Wilson would be helpful. Then again, I’m really not that crazy about Wilson, who next to Marmol is the most exciting closer in baseball.
EdinsonPickle
Their starting five is fine, but some depth and versatility would be great for the Giants. Like you said someone who can be a long man, but can easily be slotted into the rotation in case of injury. As for the rest of the ‘pen, I think they’ll be fine if they can just add a lefty. Romo and Casilla are doing well, and I expect them to continue doing well next year. I think Affeldt will also bounce back and have a nice year in 2011 also, so with those three and Wilson plus another offseason addition they should be pretty set.
BLB25
I’m not sure they really NEED an offseason acquisition for middle relief. Romo, Affeldt and Wilson have the back end spots locked down. As you said Casilla has really been very good and I don’t see any reason to believe he won’t be a memeber of the 2011 pen. When healthy Runzler has been pretty effective and I would expect for him and Javier Lopez to compete for that 2nd lefty/LOOGY spot. If you assume they’ll carry a 5 man position player bench that leaves 2 bullpen spots open. Ramirez, Ray and Mota have all been at least adequate options so I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see at least one of them return too. I’d like to see a more traditional long relief guy signed who could pick up spot starts in the case of injury, but unlike the situation with their minor league starters there are actually several minor league relief arms who could likely contribute in 2011 if necessary. I’d be surprised if the team spent much money on any kind of pitching this offseason. I think bringing back guys like Huff, Uribe and maybe Burrell or addressing SS, 1B, and at least one corner OF spot in other ways will definitely be the priority.
EdinsonPickle
Fair enough, I see what you’re saying, and you’re probably right that with the exception for a long man they can get by on what they have. In either case offense is a bigger concern, and I agree that they should solve those problems first.
Henry Castellanos
No, Lincecum can’t take away his delivery, it’s much more than what makes him great, it makes him unique. He is one of the most exciting pitchers to watch, and it would be a shame to see his violent delivery be taken away. I think he just needs to work on his velocity on his fastball which is the backbone of how he pitches to hitters. He’s had success before, why not now? Maybe he was more comfortable with Bengie?
J
But you can’t just stick w/ something that’s not working to be unique. That’s silly. His velo has been the last 2 years. Something’s up.
22gigantes
No mention of Eric Hacker? Pshhh.