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Infield Fly
Another excellent article following up on yesterday’s excellent article!
Keep it up guys – soon we’ll all have our baseball PhD!
jeenyus245
King Felix is the best pitcher listed, extension well deserved.
BMH
followed by wainwright and johnson, though
Kevin Chambers
I heard one of the White Sox number one priority is signing John Danks to an extension.
Sean
You can’t have more than one “number one” priority, so either it’s signing Danks or it’s not signings Danks.
Kevin Chambers
Sure you can, you have 1A, 1B, 1C. So forth and so on.
yahoo99
I’d be curious to know why Matt Sosnick is constantly being quoted on these topics. The guy represents the extreme in terms of negotiating style. Based on some of the other articles on this site (mlbtraderumors.com/2010/10/sosnick-on-bruce-willin…), he clearly feels like the best way to get a long term contract for a player is to publicly beg for it on their behalf. That doesn’t strike me as a particularly smart way to go about getting top value for your clients.
Tim Dierkes
Sosnick is quoted because he’s more willing to talk to the media and smaller outlets than most agents. He is more accessible and shoots from the hip. He has direct experience with this exact topic, too.
iCracked
How was Wandy Rodriguez at any point in his career a young starter with the possibility of an extension brought up? He is 31 i believe, was 26 when he was brought up (late) and pitched to 5.xx era, whip of 1.46 (was ok) in 22 games his rookie year, his sophomore season he was even worse at the age of 27 with a high 5 era and a whip of 1.6. 3rd season high 4’s, which is still very much the basis for a year to year type of player, most definitely not at any point was he an extension candidate until his age 30 season in 09, by then he was not a “young starter
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Tim Dierkes
That was pretty much my point…that Wandy is one of the better pitchers in recent times to make it to his third arb year, and it’s because he was a late bloomer and there was no reason to extend him when he was younger. I wrote:
“There was no reason to extend him before that; he wasn’t established as an above-average pitcher.”
iCracked
alright, im sorry i guess i just don’t understand what relevance he has to this article as he seams to be an outlier
Tim Dierkes
He is an example of a late bloomer, under the section explaining that one reason not to extend a pitcher early is that he bloomed late.
Dave_Gershman
But he’s still not young at all.
iCracked
exactly, he brings very little to this article as he has nothing in common with anyone else, overall though, tim did a great job.
pageian
Feldman and Blackburn were clearly mistakes. I get the rationale for locking up good young pitchers but I think the organizations overstepped by locking these two up. Feldman likely got his extension based on his win total in ’09, which is a really poor way of evaluating what you have. Blackburn’s hit total has always been high and he should have fixed that before getting an extension. Swings and misses and irrational behavior by the Twins and Rangers.
Patrick OKennedy
Willis was not extended because the Marlins didn’t extend players at the time, and he was extended in Detroit because Dombrowski hands out lavish extensions like no other GM in the game. His worst move among many, IMO.
umair56
I can’t be the only one that laughed out loud at “non-tendered the injured Wang”. lmao come on!
stevieb3535
“now, as the top pitcher on the free agent market, Lee was right to wait and explore what he could get as a free agent.” ……..LOL…..hindsight is always 20/20 isn’t it?
Of course if Lee had been the slightly over a .500 pitcher or worse with a 4.50+ ERA and a WHIP of 1.42+ like he was up until 2007 AFTER 2007, he would not be the “top pitcher on the free agent market” most likely and glad to be pitching for the Indians at his current salary. I truly believe he is regarded as such because of the “over his head” aberration 2008 career year season and a couple great starts in the 2009 post season. He has been “pretty good” in the 2009 and 2010 regular season at a 1.17 WHIP and 3.18 ERA with 13 wins yearly average and a disappointing performance in the 2010 WS. I think he is rapidly on the the way down and the team that signs him to a long term multi year big money deal will be regretting it in a couple years as he will become a mediocre lefthanded #5 starter at 20M+/yr for what… 5 or 6 years? I believe Amaro thought that way also and swaped him (basically) for Halladay.
He’s only had ONE STELLAR YEAR (2 years ago) and for the money he will be looking for, he should be a 20+ win, 0.90 WHIP or lower and a 2.80 ERA or less starter for the next 3-4 years…AT LEAST….. for that kind of money. While I don’t blame him for getting what he can while he can, I hope the Yankmees break the bank for him because it will turn out to be another aging overrated and overpaid player on their long term commitments with Jeter, A-Roid, Mo and all the other senior citizens in NY by 2012. Anyone who seriously will pay him crazy dollars for his past ONE SEASON performance in Cleveland and 2 games in the 2009 WS is making a long term major error or has an Omar Minaya clone as their GM.
Joe
Lee is above average in the regular season and a force to be reckoned with in the post season. The Yankees will make the playoffs… they want Lee to shore up their post season performance. They can afford these extravagances. Imagine if they had a good GM who spent all that money wisely. The Yankees are last in baseball in wins per dollar of payroll.