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TapDancingTeddy
According to B-R, Kyle Farnsworth has made over $30MM in his career. They also figure his career WAR at 3.0. So he’s gotten paid $10MM for each “win.”
Man do I wish I was a crappy pitcher with a 100 MPH fastball.
Lunchbox45
fangraphs sets 1 win above replacement at approximately 4.5 million
TapDancingTeddy
Scott Boras would agree with that number! So would Albert Pujols – if he could ever get anywhere near that from the Cards.
At a career 84 WAR, Prince Albert should’ve made $378MM instead of the $89MM he actually earned.
notsureifsrs
fangraphs’ valuation isn’t normative; they’re not asserting that a win ought to be of x value. their number is an aggregate based in large part on what teams had to pay free agents who performed at a certain level. the market value of a win is determined by the market value of the players who produce at certain win-levels, which changes every year
it would be more precise if they broke it down by position, but also less useful. it’s best as a quick-and-dirty estimator
and of course if pujols had gone year to year as a free agent over his career instead of being subjected to the six-year restriction and signing a long-term deal, his earnings would be miles higher than they are
buddaley
In any given year there are fewer than 400 people in the world both able to pitch as well as Farnsworth and available to do so. What can you do that puts you in that infinitesimally small % of the world’s population able and available to do something of value? And what salary would you expect if you were?
As a matter of fact, Farnsworth has not been a crappy pitcher. He has often been disappointing and has had some poor seasons, but he also has had some good years. According to fangraphs his career WAR is 6.3 by the way.
TapDancingTeddy
Obviously, I can’t do anything to make that kind of money. That’s why I wish I was a crappy pitcher with a 100 MPH fastball.
BTW, the difference in FanGraphs vs. B-R war being 2 to 1 is where you get that Farnsworth is NOT a crappy pitcher. If you believe the 3.0 figure then you also believe the season-by-season breakdown which says he’s had more bad years than good.
notsureifsrs
if you “believe” rWAR then you do not believe cliff lee was a top 20 pitcher last year. glwt
TapDancingTeddy
Even if you go by FanGraphs data, Farnsworth has been a one win or better pitcher only half the time. Five times he’s been below replacement level, and his career WPA is negative rather than positive. I think that’s still pretty crappy.
notsureifsrs
i’m certainly not going to take the position that he’s had a great or even very good career. mostly i just think rWAR is poor evidence to use against a pitcher – and i think ‘crappy’ might be a little inaccurate
farnsworth’s had almost as many ugly years as good ones, but his career FIP- is 97 (slightly better than league average). his career tERA is 4.15, which is also better than average
i expect you were using the word crappy loosely, but i think he’s at least a tier or two above it nonetheless. let’s call it “meh and a half”
optionn
Farnsworth seems to be pitching pretty good in Tampa. This was a good signing especially considering how crazy some teams handed out years and dollars to relievers this past offseason.
TapDancingTeddy
No arguments there. So far, so good.