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Kyle Buttermore
Only way this team is gonna win is by cleaning house (front office) and changing its organizational philosophy.
Johnnie
People in the cities love Gardenhire and the Twins’ style, but it desperately needs to be changed. Sure it’s fun to see a team like this make the ALDS once in a while, but championships are won with two aces and big bats. With the payroll increase this calls for no more excuses with no power potential…Smith needs to go and I’m halfway out the door with Gardy too.
Twins11Fan
Not all of us do…
Twins11Fan
Not all of us like their style…I’d like to see Smith and Gardy go…
Jay
Wow the Twins are just a mess.Bad contracts and no good pitching.The GM has to go
NickinIthaca
If Carl Crawford’s contract is considered as bad as it is, how are people looking at Mauer’s after the past two seasons?
Kyle Buttermore
Mauer’s extension didn’t kick in until this year.
NickinIthaca
Fair enough…
johnsilver
It’s not so much Mauer as it is all those rubbish tossing pitcher’s that this organization drafts, signs as FA and fills it rotation with every single year.
Whatever happened to Blyleven type guys who could at least throw 92-94mph once in a while? Sure they have Liriano (when healthy) but other than him, the rest of those guys are nothing more than “break glass” types only for emergency starts, or better put.. #4-5 starters. Much less making upwards of 10m a year at it.
DMCj
I could see lots of guys who wore Nats uniforms this year helping out the Twins.
Backup catcher? Jesus Flores can hit, wants more playing time and is a free agent. If you’re willing to consider a defense-first type, Pudge Rodriguez still wants to play though his bat is nothing like it once was.
Shortstop? Ian Desmond swings a big bat and finally seems to have gotten his defensive demons under control – but might get squeezed as younger players create an opportunity to move Danny Espinosa to SS.
Pitching? The Nats almost have too many arms; John Lannan or one of the younger guys (Milone, Peacock, Detwiler) may find them themselves without a roster spot -as might young relievers like Mattheus, Kimball, Severino – even Henry Rodriguez.
The Nats will want Denard Span in return for anyone currently under contract – a good defense, high OBP, cost-controlled leadoff type being their #1 priority – but it seems like it could be a good match if Terry Smith is willing to let “Capps for Ramos” be bygones.
NordeastMPLSTwinsFan
You are mixing GMs. It’s Bill Smith. Terry Ryan was the previous GM.
DMCj
::facepalm:: I knew I should have Googled that first. Let the record show that I edited my original comment to fix Ross Detwiler’s last name but left Bill Ryan’s name unchanged 🙂
NordeastMPLSTwinsFan
I see what you did there. Well played.
rxbrgr
Great analysis. You’ve done your research. As much as I love the Nard Dog, it would be interesting to see what kind of package the Nats would offer this time around for Span.
Any 3 or 4 of Desmond, Bernadina, Peacock, Detwiler, and Flores would be interesting.
Greg Snyder
One thing that the Twins desperately need to upgrade that doesn’t get mentioned much is their defense. Their pitchers are taught to pitch to contact, and without any legit strikeout pitcher or ace, defense has to be above average and a priority. This past year they were brutal, ranking near the bottom in most defensive metrics. Improving the defense alone will help the pitching, but a legit top of the rotation starter has to be added along with improvement in the bullpen.
Shu13
What I don’t understand about the Arbitration process and is WRONG….When you read a sentence like…
Matt Capps’
Type A ranking and decline in performance should prevent the Twins from
offering arbitration (he would obtain a raise from $7.15MM).
“Declining performance” and “obtain a raise” SHOULD NEVER be in the same sentence….
Who goes into a yearly review w/ declining sales or whatever and comes out w/ a raise in the real world? NO ONE…..why should players be any different….
Greg Snyder
The rankings are based on two year performances compared to other players at the same position.
But I would agree in general.
Shu13
I understand that and yet Mathis has gotten a raise of $400k ($.3 to $1.7) for batting .195 down from .211 the year before and not stellar D (despite what the Angels try to force down the fans throats)
Greg Snyder
In Mathis’ instance, it’s based primarily on service time for a younger player. Capps is enough service that its strictly performance based.
In some instances it makes a lot more sense to the point where a player doesn’t really get enough of a raise. We’re talking about cases where the opposite is true. By no means does Capps deserve a raise or his Type A status. But he won’t get a raise because he won’t be offered arbitration because he’d accept it since he won’t make that much on the open market.
Matt Powers
Wow… I will love the Twins through thick and thin, but this looks like it is going to be REALLY bad for a REALLY long time.
DMCj
Chin up … your boys play in the AL Central. Consequently, you have as good a chance as any other fan of a team in that division of seeing a home playoff baseball game in 2012.
$3513744
Tell that to the Royals.
Verlanderful
The problem with the Mauer contract is not the money, it’s the length. Eight years for a 28 year old catcher with creaky bones. Is it the longest contract ever given to a catcher? Five years max is what they should have done.
jwsox
dare I say it, but might it be time to at least entertain the idea of trading away mauer? He clearly cant catch for the entire length of that contract. And might not be able to stay healthy for an entire season ever again. Also who knows if he will ever be fully healthy/ return to the MVP batting title champ type of hitter he once was. I would have to think there would be teams out there jumping at the chance to take mauer, contract and all. Maybe the yankees and twins could match up sending montero to the twins and mauer and most if not all of his contract to the yankees. Montero could be a santana type, split time at C, 1st, DH for the twins. And Mauer could be moved to right field for the yankees. Considering they SHOULD let swisher walk. Just one team, i know there are others out there…maybe the bosox could get in on it. or even the bluejays. They have a ton of great young pitching..Mauer to the bluejays, he plays 1st and maybe the jays send a catcher there mayeb JP
MuleorAstroMule
Rather have JP. I doubt an extremely expensive singles hitting DH is in AA’s plans.
jwsox
dare I say it, but might it be time to at least entertain the idea of trading away mauer? He clearly cant catch for the entire length of that contract. And might not be able to stay healthy for an entire season ever again. Also who knows if he will ever be fully healthy/ return to the MVP batting title champ type of hitter he once was. I would have to think there would be teams out there jumping at the chance to take mauer, contract and all. Maybe the yankees and twins could match up sending montero to the twins and mauer and most if not all of his contract to the yankees. Montero could be a santana type, split time at C, 1st, DH for the twins. And Mauer could be moved to right field for the yankees. Considering they SHOULD let swisher walk. Just one team, i know there are others out there…maybe the bosox could get in on it. or even the bluejays. They have a ton of great young pitching..Mauer to the bluejays, he plays 1st and maybe the jays send a catcher there mayeb JP
Eric Dixon
The Twins need to add a middle infielder that can handle SS, and has experience at 2B. Considering the multiple year investment in Nishioka, I highly doubt that the Twins would change course so abruptly. I think that a Nick Punto/Twins reunion makes sense. It appears that his skill set is undervalued, so he should come at a bargain. For example, according to WAR, Punto was worth about 5.3M to the 2010 Twins, but signed a 750K contract with the 2011 Cardinals late in the off-season.
While I think that re-signing Cuddyer and Kubel should be a priority for the Twins, there should be enough interest in Cuddyer’s skill set on the open market that they might have to push an offer towards 10M/YR for a minimum of 3 years to convince him to avoid testing the market. I could also see the Twins pursuing either Dejesus or Willingham as a replacement for Cuddyer. However, both replacements should cost a similar price. Kubel, however could return and be utilized as a DH.
As for starters, I think that the Twins have enough money and need to be interested in Javier Vazquez at about 1YR/10M. Although Vazquez is a little older than some potential free agent targets, they have been successful with at least one Yankee burnout (Carl Pavano), and Vazquez is coming off of a strong season with the Marlins. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Joe Nathan re-sign with the Twins on an incentive-laden deal. I could also see the Twins interested in right handed bullpen arms like Juan Cruz and Todd Coffey, or left handed bullpen arms like George Sherrill and JC Romero.
The Twins position players could include: C Mauer, 1B Morneau, 2B Punto, SS Nishioka, 3B Valencia, LF Willingham, CF Span, RF Revere, and DH Kubel. And their rotation might consist of: RH Vazquez, RH Pavano, LH Liriano, RH Blackburn, and LH Duensing.
jwsox
javier was not just a yankees burn out he was a whitesox and marlins burnout too…dude is done and if the twins gm offers him 10 mill he should be fired. And any team starting Nish at SS is asking to have a losing season. He clearly cant play in the bigs, at least yet. Maybe some time in AAA would do him well.
Eric Dixon
That is ignorant.
According to FIP, Vazquez has been a solid, and at times a great starting pitcher. His only poor seasons were in 04 (4.78FIP) and 2010 (5.56FIP). Each and only these two seasons, he was a New York Yankee. Injuries haven’t been the issue. Obviously he just doesn’t perform well under the spot light. While he is 35, he is still hitting 90-91MPH with his fastball. With the 2011 Marlins, Vazquez was worth 3.2WAR and about 14.4M. Give me something to back up your claim that he “is done.” And that he shouldn’t get an offer of 1YR/10M.
As for Nisioka, he only had 221 at bats! The Twins still owe him 6.5M through 2013. From 03 to 2010 he was a .293 hitter in Japan. He needs a chance to adjust to the majors, and some “time in AAA” wouldn’t do him any good. He may as well take BP.
rxbrgr
Vazquez would be a great add if not for his personal demands of playing on the east coast, close to his native Puerto Rico.
Bernaldo
You destroy your own case – and credibility – by calling somone “ignorant” simply because he has an opinion different from yours. FIP alone doesn’t make a pitcher “solid” let alone a “great starting pitcher”. Vazquez has always been a garden-variety, journeyman starting pitcher who had a couple of very good years but mostly near average production. Now, he is near the end of his career. There is simply no good reason for the Twins to waste a roster spot on him and Vasquez himself himslef has indicated he won’t take a minor league deal which is all that he is worth.
Nishioka lost at bats at the beginning of the season because of his broken leg. He lost at-bats in the second half of the season because he couldn’t hit big league pitching and is mediocre in the field. The Twins kept giving him chances but by August it was pretty clear that his way over his head in the big leagues. He doesn’t need or deserve more chances – his swing and stance will never let him hit MLB pitching with any consistancy. He either needs to completely change his approach to hitting or head back to Japan. Nishioka is merely that latest in a line of Japanese infielders who have failed at the MLB level.
MuleorAstroMule
Yeah, so many garden-variety journeyman pitchers are the active leader in strikeouts and 29th on the all time list. As for Nishioka, yeah, I’ll give you that one, he just sucks.
Bernaldo
You destroy your own case – and credibility – by calling somone “ignorant” simply because he has an opinion different from yours. FIP alone doesn’t make a pitcher “solid” let alone a “great starting pitcher”. Vazquez has always been a garden-variety, journeyman starting pitcher who had a couple of very good years but mostly near average production. Now, he is near the end of his career. There is simply no good reason for the Twins to waste a roster spot on him and Vasquez himself himslef has indicated he won’t take a minor league deal which is all that he is worth.
Nishioka lost at bats at the beginning of the season because of his broken leg. He lost at-bats in the second half of the season because he couldn’t hit big league pitching and is mediocre in the field. The Twins kept giving him chances but by August it was pretty clear that his way over his head in the big leagues. He doesn’t need or deserve more chances – his swing and stance will never let him hit MLB pitching with any consistancy. He either needs to completely change his approach to hitting or head back to Japan. Nishioka is merely that latest in a line of Japanese infielders who have failed at the MLB level.
Paul Lockwood
Everyone hates on nishi and they have a right with the overall season he had. I try and look at the bright side and I think he’d have some potential coming around (but should definitely be used in just a utility role). His defense is the real thing that needs work. He went 3 of 4 vs sabathia is one I can remember late on. He did horrible against verlander which sucks. could hit Jimenez but everyone sort of could. He needs a lot of conditioning in the offseason, but I’m hoping he finds hit stroke and gets some confidence going into the next season.
I don’t like how the majority of commenters anywhere thinks all problems on a baseball team can be solved by firing and replacing. It’s really complicated and a lot of times it’s best to try and get the potential out of what you have…look at baker, he’s always been average and hung so many balls up in the zone. This year he looked ace like (finally), but injuries got him. The fans solution was always to dump him and get an ace. If the twins could dump everyone and hit the free agents and have this lineup next year they would….
CF.Span
SS.Reyes
1B.Pujols
DH.Fielder
3B.Morneau
C.Mauer
RF.Cuddyer
2B.Casilla/Nishi/Plouffe
LF.Revere
1.Sabathia
2.CJ Wilson
3.Baker
4.Liriano
5.Pavano
But they wont get any of them so be happy with what you got
rxbrgr
I know you weren’t being serious with the lineup and roster guesses…but what were you doing? Head-scratcher.
Brad Beneke
Paul, I think you just made the world a little dumber with that post.
Kevin
As long as Bill Smith is GM, your gonna see more years like what they just went through. He is arguably the worst in baseball.
Kevin
As long as Bill Smith is GM, your gonna see more years like what they just went through. He is arguably the worst in baseball.
rxbrgr
For as bad a GM as Bill Smith, he could gain ground in my eyes if he only had a more unique name. Bill Smith? Really. Somebody check his birth certificate.
Fols
Bill Smith fired today, yes!
Fols
Bill Smith fired today, yes!