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start_wearing_purple
I’d imagine like last offseason Boras will do everything he can to make sure Madson gets a closer position rather than a set up position and I’m guessing a lot of the offers Madson will get won’t garuentee him that.
My guess, the Indians on a $3M-$4M base with bonuses for the number of innings pitched and games finished. If they’re really planning on getting rid of Perez, I can think of worse gambles than Madson.
johnsilver
He might not even be full strength at ST, much less when games count is the problem. Boras wants a closer job and he goes “2nd tier” teams and still isn’t going to get close to 7m is my guess.
I see madson as a very late sign, with Boras (as you posted) struggling to find him a closers job that isn’t there on a contender, simply because no contender is willing to commit to one coming off of TJ surgery and rightfully so.
Maybe even during ST before Madson signs. Another case here where Boras is hurting his client, just like last off season with him when he could have had a LT deal earlier.. Think Madson will learn his lesson and unload Boras?
start_wearing_purple
You can’t really blame Boras for last offseason. Madson was supposed to be an easy sell. Then Paps signed almost instantly, the Red Sox went in an unexpected direction, and the Rangers went to rehab route.
Though how hard Boras works on Madson this offseason depends on whether or not Soriano opts out. If he does opt out then Boras will spend more time on Soriano.
johnsilver
Later in the off season he could have still gotten that 8-10m over 3-4 years. A closer is the most volatile position in the game and even Boras should realize that.
He had all winter to find a team, it’s not as if Papelbon was a late sign, but u know Boras.. Papelbon got 50m and madson had to get more.. It’s how he operates and doesn’t matter if it hurts the client or not.
start_wearing_purple
You pretty much ignored what I just said. The teams that could afford a $10M closer and needed a closer was fairly limited. Both the Phillies and Rangers found alternate choices early and Boston surprised everyone by not spending money. It left Madson and Boras with only a few choices: sign for less money as a set up man or sign a one-year deal.
10milner
As a Reds fan, I’d like to see him stay with the club. Chapman would look good in starting rotation.
LazerTown
I’d really like to see what he could do if he was starting. He could be a very dominant young pitcher.
dc21892
It would be a fun experiment but it could destroy his career.
emayer
The Phillies should try to get him back if he’s going to be relatively cheap and is willing to try to prove himself in a non-closer role again.
diehardmets
Given the Mets bullpen woes and salary constraints, he seems like a good buy low option (similar to Melky).
GStill45
A high-end pitcher coming off of Injury? This reeks of a Red Sox pickup. They’ll have Madson and Bailey, and hope one is healthy enough to close.
johnsilver
Very last thing Boston needs is RP, even if they move Aceves.
Bailey
Tazawa
Atchison
Mortenson
Miller
Hill
Craig Breslow
All those are going to be on the roster + VERY effective unless they make a move.
Also have:
Daniel Bard
Chris Carpenter
Alex Wilson
GStill45
The only guy on that list that can close games is Bailey and he’s fabrege egg fragile. If Madson can be had for a one-year incentive-laden deal, the Sox will be in on him.
johnsilver
Closers are developed from trial and error. Tazawa has closer “stuff”, ditto Carpenter. Bard was going to be the closer, before the ill thought out attempt to convert him to start and if his mechanics are repaired? he can close.
I wouldn’t even say Andrew Miller is not capable of closing, now that he is 1 full season removed from having his mechanics fixed after being destroyed by Detroit and Marlins coaching.
GStill45
I’ll say it then. Miller is not capable of closing. He’s nothing more than a lefty specialist now. Bard is a head case, and if the Sox had any confidence in his closing ability, they wouldn’t have given Bobby Jenks a 2-year deal. Tazawa is intriguing, but I think he’s more likely to be stretched out as a spot starter.
The Red Sox have money to spend. They love these medical rehab projects. The Sox dealt Josh Reddick and Jed Lowrie to get bullpen arms. If they can get a guy of Madson’s ceiling on a one-year deal with incentives, they’ll jump on it.
johnsilver
Boston didn’t have anyone capable of throwing the 8thIP when they signed Jenks.. Look over that list above.. Tazawa had just gone “under the knife” for TJ, Francona never gave Atch a long enough chance,Hill they were still teaching how to change his mechanics (now HE is a LH specialist) and they were working on Miller’s mechanics.
None of the others were even a member of the Sox organization, except for Alex Wilson who was a SP at AA Portland.
Gurvir Nijjar
I think the Jays make a run at Madson. He’d look good as a set up man or closer.
go_jays_go
Santos/Janssen are likely taking closer/setup man duo. Also their bullpen is pretty full right now.
JustFatOlMe
Come on Cubs,jump on this!
Mikenmn
A low risk Yankee pickup assuming Soriano opts out and Rivera comes back.
Lionel Bossman Craft
Yea but the only thing is he’s a Boras agent.
Mikenmn
Excellent point. However, Boras is always after the biggest buck. Maybe he has Soriano opting out, assuming the Yankees will offer. Then he has 14.5M in the bank while he shops Soriano. Madson isn’t going to get a first tier offer anyway. If the Yankees don’t offer, then he sells Madson on a one year deal to the Yankees, He’s not going to hurt his value there.
randomkeys
If he becomes a $1M+incentive kind of pitcher, what team wouldn’t want him? Even with a not-quite-stellar track record, Madson is still likely to be a better middle-of-the-bullpen guy than most teams already have.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see just about everyone in the league offer him an incentive-laden deal. (Of course, Boras will probably then faux-negotiate between six or eight mystery teams, driving the price first to $6M/2, then $12M/3, then finally pretend that several teams are battling over a $20M/4 contract that doesn’t really exist. Eventually, Madson will get next to nothing, and wind up pitching the sixth inning for the Padres or something.)
ssjchaseutley
Hmm…I’d like him to return to the Phillies…he would solidify the bullpen in a terrific way.
But if he doesn’t return, I wouldn’t be surprised. The relationship between Amaro and Boras seems very strained.
Phillies_Aces35
He’d probably never come back but it’d be nice to having the red and white pin stripes again.