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Scott Brewer
I dont agree with this writer at all on this column. Why would the Angels Decline the option on Dan Haren pay him $3.5 million buyout for declining his option, and then offer him a 1 yr. $13.3 million bid which Dan would most definitely take. This would mean the Angels just cost themselves $1.3 million. So instead of paying Dan his $15.5 million if team option is exercised Angels would be paying him $16.8 million in 2013′.
dc21892
Why would he definitely take that qualifying offer? There are plenty of teams that need a guy like Haren and could potentially offer more in terms of dollars in years. I can’t see him getting more than 2 years guaranteed though, but the Angels want Grenkie back and to do so means letting Haren and Santana go.
dc21892
And years*
UnknownPoster
because his back has been going out for the last few years and it likely he’ll get 1/8M offers, not 1/16M
vtadave
Given the scarcity of starters out there, I would expect he’d easily get offers in the 3/36 range.
UnknownPoster
I don’t this market is that bad. Greinke is at the top, but there is also Peavy, Jackson, Kuroda, McCarthy, etc that I would take over Haren. Giving Haren multiple years is very risky because he is not only older than most of those guys, but he has a chronic issue that is not going to get better with age.
dc21892
3/36 is a stretch but in terms of incentives and whatever else on a one year deal with maybe a 2nd year option he will most likely be right around the 16M for next year.
hefe300
I’m not sure if he’d definitely take it or not, but If having Haren back on a 1 year deal is a “desirable outcome” as the author states, then why not just pick up the option and save $1.3 million?
tom5467
Scott…I was just going to say the same thing. Maybe he’s using Romneys math, unless there is some reason why offering the qualifying offer and Haren accepting somehow eliminates the buyout.
metsfan08
Jon niese for mark trumbo?
rkmarx 3
Your name says it all.
Rob 30
I actually like Bay for Wells.
MB923
How about Jason Bay for Mike Trout while we’re at it.
baseball lifer
As a unbiased fan of neither team, i would love this deal for the Angels. What is not to like about Niese. 13-9 with a 3.40 for a crappy Met’s team… Let’s not forget about Trumbo’s season splits. Trumbo had a great first half of the season, and the flat out horrible after the all-star break (was even benched in favor of Vernon Wells). This is a no-brainer for me, espically given the current log jam the halos have at 1B, DH, Corner OF.
Ta-Kuan Fuan
His slide came after a rib injury that occurred on July 22nd I believe.
Ryan Aguirre
Think it was the 19th but yes it is documented that after the rib injury his numbers fell off… Pre injury he was having an MVP caliber season.
baseball lifer
First off, I do not recall hearing about some sort of rib injury. That being said something obviously happened. From the 19th on, Trumbo did struggle (6 HR’s and 82 K) the rest of the season. Average dropped 37 points, SLG dropped 131 points, and OBP dropped 30 points….So i ask, with the corner OF and DH depth that the Angels had at the time, why was the DL not a option?
Konrad Verloc
Why? Why would LA do that?
Ryan Aguirre
2 years 20 million is a little excessive for a 37 year old who is blocking one of the best center fielders in the game(Peter Bourjos). Last year was a nice season from a 37 year old playing in a contract year, who also took a few weeks off early in the season to deal with family issues. Torii came back energized and ready to flourish hitting in between Trout and Pujols. I respect what Torii did last year but to expect him to do it again and to pay him $20mil would be foolish.
SoCalAngelsFan75
I agree. Max I would go is $15/2 and that’s pushing it. Although, Torii is hungry for a ring. Not saying he could repeat his 2012 output but he’ll definately try if it means getting a ring.
UnknownPoster
Bourjos is one of the best CFs in the game? Really?
vtadave
From a defensive perspective. He just can’t hit.
Ta-Kuan Fuan
Defensively, yes.
UnknownPoster
to you and @vtadave:disqus. To be one of the best CFs in the game, you have to be better than a defensive sub. CF is one of the most important positions on the field, and there are more guys who make up being less defensively gifted than Bourjos with their bat
Ryan Aguirre
You guys are forgetting that in his only full season in 2011 he hit double digits in Doubles, Triples and HR’s stole 22 bases and had an OPS+ of 116 and a WAR of 4.8 which was the 15th highest in the AL amongst position players… Yes PB struggled in limited action this last season. Defensively though he is a better center fielder than Trout and is the defensive equal of any CF out there. Ever wonder why Trout moves to left field when Bourjos is in?
UnknownPoster
He a career 247 hitter, with a 700 OPS, and 97 OPS+. basically replacement level. Looking his minor league stats- before he got to AAA hitter haven, his OPS was consistently in the 700s, with the exception of rookie ball. He’s fast and a very good defender, but isn’t really a starter, let alone one of the best.
Jhary Kenshura
Well, if we take it as center fielder only and not a hitter, then yes he would be….but he’s Joe Nobody as a hitter.
UnknownPoster
I’m sorry, but to be the best at a position you have to be more than a defensive sub.
cmartintwo
I would offer him 5 mil a year for 2 years see how serious he is about staying. He has made his money 5 mil is nothing to sneeze at. Work him into being a player coach.
Thurman8er
The X-factor with Torii is his relationship with Trout. Torii can still play well enough to earn a $10 million paycheck, but the teaching he can offer plus the comfort he gives Trout are hard to put in numbers.
rkmarx 3
These guys are Major League ball players. Trout doesn’t need Daddy comforting him and playing next to him in order to succeed.
Konrad Verloc
I wouldn’t mind seeing Hunter in Texas on a 2 year deal, since Hamilton will certainly go elsewhere.
Marktown
You’re in the minority there.
Konrad Verloc
They could do worse. I’d rather them hold onto Olt and Profar and sign Hunter than see them trade Olt and/or Profar for someone like Upton, for instance. And as far as what the minority or majority thinks, I don’t really care what Rangers fans think – my experience with them has shown me that they don’t tend to be very open-minded people.
SoCalAngelsFan75
Here’s what I would like to see happen:
1) Re-sign Greinke.
2) Pick up Haren’s option. Think he deserves a chance since he played injured most of 2012 and has been solid when healthy.
3) Decline Santana’s option. Too inconsistent for that kind of money.
4) Re-sign Hunter on a 1 year (2 max) team-friendly contract. If he wants more years or lots of money then let him walk.
5) Eat the bulk of Wells’ contract and trade him for anything that might remotely improve the bullpen.
6) Trade Morales for a proven bullpen piece
7) As a last resort, if both Hunter and Wells are back then trade Borjous for bullpen help.
8) Finally, DO NOT trade for A-Rod. Exception scenario would be if the Yanks take Wells AND eat the difference. Angels could play A-Rod for 2 years at 3rd until Cowart is ready and then release A-Rod. Don’t think the Yanks would eat $72M, would they?
East Coast Bias
Not for Wells.
tom5467
My list is pretty much the same, except I’d like to see Morales stay since his arbitration should favor the Angels, and they need the power from the left side. That being said….nice list.
Omar Jimenez
I would re-sign him only to use as trad bait for a reliever. Hes worth 8-11 mil/yr depending on the bidder. Halos eat some of the contract but they have what trwma need which is starting pitching. Have to sign torri 2yrs max.- he was phenomenonal in the 2hole. And angels must eat wells contract and use bourjos more. Hopefully trumbo can learn 3rd but angels must improve 3B.with wilso picked up, id recoup mathis. Improve defense n can help call games. With the. Angels offense improved Mathis can help the pitching as a backup.
ettin
I disagree with the sentiment on Jerome Williams. FanGraphs has his 2012 xFIP and SIERA at 3.84 and 3.69 respectively with a 53% ground ball rate. I think for about 1.6-1.7 million, through arbitration, would be well worth the Angels reinvesting in Jerome. In the worst case scenario you can still keep him in long relief and as reserve pitching depth.
Nick Sossamon
I think we have to pick up either one of Santana or Haren, if not both. If we don’t hold on to either of these guys our rotation could potentially be very mediocre very quickly. Yeah, Santana is incredibly inconsistent and a headcase, but he still has good enough stuff when he’s on and I think we could bring him back on a restructured deal. Haren seems more done to me; his velocity is consistently declining every year and I think his innings are finally taking a toll. Back problems usually don’t just disappear after they plague a pitcher for an entire season. He looked extremely hittable pretty much all of last year.
If we let both go though and don’t manage to snag Greinke, this is our rotation:
Weaver, Wilson, Richards, Williams, ?
That makes me fairly uncomfortable going into a season. I’m sure we’d sign a FA starter or two if that happened, but with our lack of depth in the system with pitching we’d be walking a thin tightrope hoping that nobody goes down.
odaboda
Santana can’t and won’t be kept. The team is built to win now and can’t be subject to constant implosions like a Jonathan Sanchez. Let him ‘find himself’ on the Royals, Indians, etc.
AdrianYo
A-Rod for Wells is not very far-fetched. If the Yankees eat about $60M, A-Rod would cost ~11M/year. Add that to the alleviation of Wells’ contract, and the numbers make sense for the Angels. He would play 3B for a couple years, then transition to DH when we let Kendrys walk after next year. It works for the Yankees as well because it is apparent A-Rod is all but gone, and they get an OF with potential to do well. With Swisher and Ichiro both gone, Wells would solve one of those issues.
SoCalAngelsFan75
I sort of agree (see my other post in the thread). However, the thought of cheering for A-Rod makes me sick to my stomach.
crashcameron
it is far-fetched
Matt Grieve
I can’t remember the last time I saw potential and Vernon Wells in the same sentence.
Brian Martin
The Angels have multiple things to solve. Just 2 or 3 more wins would have put us in the play offs. These are some of the things that would have resulted in more wins
1 They need to be energetic. It starts with the manager.
2 They need to let the pitchers go longer in the games if there effective ex. Greinke
3 They need to stop the contact play.
4 They need to stop partying all the time. I know an Angel and he says they party all the time and the pitchers smoke dope.
5 What ever happen to bunting. Every player should be able to do it. Even Pujols.
6 Every game is a must win. Loses in April are just as costly as in September.
7 Batters need to wait to get pitches to drive, instead of swinging at pitches that result in weak grounders to short or 3rd