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jury_rigger
meh, too much work
Cobby_Box
Was the 4 Million Dollar floor to keep everyone from voting for Aaron Harang?
Jeff Todd
Ha, no, it was essentially random but I wanted to limit the number of possibilities to some extent. I was undecided on going up to $8MM since that brought in both Cruz and JJ … no surprise, they are eliciting strong opinions early.
I hope folks will vote not just based on current performance, but expected performance (factoring in the early returns). E.g., 8 saves look nice for Axford, but 7 walks are a pretty big concern.
Derpy
Welp, I voted that way. I have high regard for Corey Hart, I feel he is very underrated. Chris Young has also hit the ball very hard, but right at people. You would think they will start falling for hits eventually. Especially after having mashed the ball in both spring training and his rehab.
discollama
Yeah, I liked Hart too and thought he had a chance to provide a lot of excess value should he stay healthy and get a decent amount of playing time. I kind of wish that he would have stuck with the Brewers though.
toddcoffeytime
Or K-Rod?
Caleb Y.
I really don’t think you can make a judgement call like this 1/10th of the way into the season.
Jeff Todd
If we wait until the season is over, then what fun is having a poll? I’m asking for opinions, not judgments.
It’s too soon to take anything from Cano’s early performance to judge his 10-year deal, but I think this is actually the right time to form some opinions on one-year guys. They’ve already produced (or not produced) 12% of their contracts, and while there is tons of regression required, we can see what they have brought to their teams, how they fit, how the look (esp with spring included), etc.
Caleb Y.
So sure, I can guess which contracts will be the most team-friendly based on past seasons. But I’m barely going to take this year’s results into that judgement, with the exception of someone like Josh Johnson. Way too much of the season left.
That said when you compare this general player/contract level with the superstars making >$15 million a year these end up being much, much more cost effective for a team. I wonder if this is a current market inefficiency. (Of course that would just push up the contracts more.)
Jeff Todd
Sure, the statistical accumulation only says so much. But it means something, and perhaps more importantly, we can see how the players have looked and how they fit in with what their teams are trying to do.
I think Morse is a good example: he has shown he can still hit. (Open question, of course, whether he keeps it up, but that goes a long way given injury issues.) And SF has pulled him late consistently, showing how they will use him.
Anyway, it’s a fairly quiet time of the year from a transactional perspective, so we’re doing our best to generate content.
Caleb Y.
If you’re looking for content, and I know you’re not asking, may I suggest something like looking for how many players like Chris Colabello have made it back from the Independent Leagues to the majors? I’d love to read that. Or average WAR of former Indy league players in the majors.
Jeff Todd
Hey, I’m always open to suggestions, and that seems like a good one. His start is amazing in many ways, but especially so given that MIN tried to sell him off to Korea in the offseason.
Benjamin Tully
Uhhh, how about the Brewers signing K-Rod for 3.25M. Better everything than Axford making 4.5M.
Jeff Todd
“I will limit the list to players who signed for more than $4MM and up to $8MM”
Needed to draw a line somewhere — was more interested in looking at players who signed in a certain price band than just asking about all the guys who have had nice starts.
schaddy24
Hammel is this years Scott Feldman. So far he has been a fantastic signing by Theo and Jed. Hopefully he sustains this level until the (last?!) July fire sale.
WrigleyTerror37
It will be the last. #cubswillwinin2015
sourbob
I’d be cool with #cubsgo500in2015
Tim Valencia
easily its Josh Johnson
pastlives
It’s gotta be Nelson Cruz no? Sure looks like it from over here in Toronto -_-
Rangergal
What I was thinking .. from over here in Texas.
pastlives
At least he hasn’t crushed you guys into the ground yet 😛
discollama
Wouldn’t one year deals actually have little risk? They usually come with lower cost, and if the player is ineffective or gets hurt, well, it’s only one year. It’s not like the Mariners were risking a 3/18 deal where Hart may be absolutely awful and hurt and the Mariners are still on the hook to pay for a player who wont be doing anything in the last year or two of his contract. Even if you pay more for a one year deal, generally an overpay is easier to swallow for teams and pundits alike for the same reasons I listed above.
Jeff Todd
Yes, generally, one-year deals certainly have less risk than multi-year deals. I don’t believe that I suggested otherwise. I just said that there is a more compressed period for such deals to pay off, and suggested it may make sense to look at the earlier than you would a long-term deal.
discollama
Having re-read the first sentence, it does seem that I misread/read a bit into it and come away with a sense that because they must pay off immediately that they are higher risk than guys on multi-year contracts. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Eric 26
You can’t sort by column in the survey, so it’s hard to read the results.
Jeff Todd
Yeah, sorry. Limitation of the site we use for non-straightforward surveys. (In this case, ranking.)
DarthMurph
Josh Johnson show’s that there are such things as bad one year deals.
vtadave
Just like Andruw Jones proved there are such things as bad two year deals.
O_R_I_O_L_E_S
and McLouth that there are bad 2 year deals.
brothermonster
Too early for this poll…. Also, Gavin Floyd should be on this list
Jeff Todd
See above on timing. And on Floyd. I drew the line at >$4MM & <= $8MM. Floyd got exactly 4, and I was particularly interested in keeping him out since obviously we don't know much more now than we did when he signed.
TimotheusATL
interesting how many of the 1-4mil signings have outperformed the majority of this list.
OmazingOs
Trying to keep an unbiased opinion, I have to vote Nelson Cruz. He not only has had solid production, he’s mostly a DH, so his defensive stats have to be put in perspective. Plus, he might bring the O’s a 30-something round draft pick in FA next year.
Joe Valenti
I went for Hart mostly because I feel his numbers are more sustainable. Cruz is historically a streaky hitter so he could disappear for the next month while sprinkling a few home runs in and both Volquez and Hammels are likely to come back down to earth
Derpy
Crunched numbers from results, came up with this:
1. Cruz
2. Volquez
3. Morse
4. Axford
5. Hammel
6. Hart
7. Chen
8. Ellis
9. Hernandez
10. Young
11. Vodelsong
12. Johnson
I seriously do not understand why Chris Young is ranked so low here. He bat like .400 in spring and rehab, and has been crushing the ball lately. He hit a massive, towering home run today, against the wind, that went into the upper deck of Citi Field. Only 3,4 other guys have ever hit a ball that far in that stadium. That is how Chris Young has been batting lately, and yet he is ranked at 10? I don’t get it, it is the biggest question mark I see in those results.
daveineg
Better than any on that list is a guy that signed for $3.25 million, Francisco Rodriguez.
daveineg
Hart has incentives which almost certainly will put him over the $8 million threshold of this analysis if he stays healthy and plays at his current pace.