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Erik Trenouth
I have a hard time believing that a team like the Yankees wouldn’t make a claim on Lee.
Mikenmn
I don’t think they will. with luxury tax he would cost $40M a year. They have enough old pitchers with health problems.
vtadave
They won’t if they saw him pitch last time out.
cardinalsfan27
Judging a players first start after coming off the DL isn’t real smart.
sourbob
You’re not entirely wrong. But trading for a wildly expensive player coming off injury before he’s proven he’s healthy or effective is maybe not smart either.
vtadave
I’ve seen plenty of Cliff Lee and he just didn’t look right last time out. Hopefully for the Phillies sake, he was just a bit rusty.
mrnatewalter
Teams aren’t going to go all in or fold on one performance.
Bleed_Orange
Way to much money and risk involved to straight up make a claim. Especially if there is structural damage and the Phillies just let him go for nothing.
jeffm
Don’t you think they’d know by now if there was structural damage to his elbow?
Bleed_Orange
I’m sure the Phillies do
jeffm
If there was structural damage, pretty sure he wouldn’t be pitching.
Bleed_Orange
Plenty of players play with damage, they just can’t perform at the level they used to
jeffm
Given the way Amaro has fawned over Lee, I doubt he’d let him pitch if he had a scraped knee.
ChiefIlliniwek
When it comes to Lee, I think it’d be RAJ with the scraped knees…
sourbob
If Lee put together a few good starts in August, there are definitely teams that would take a chance on a claim… IF it were only a matter of his remaining 2014 salary and his $25MM 2015 salary. But there’s also the matter of his $27.5MM option for 2016 and the $12.5MM buyout. That makes a minimum commitment in dollars for anyone claiming Lee of $46.75MM for a season and a third’s worth of pitching. That makes him effectively a $34.1MM a year pitcher for the rest of this deal. That is bananas, man. No one is going to claim that.
vtadave
I respectfully disagree.
– N. Colletti
jeffm
If the Reds were to trade for Byrd, the Phillies could always take on Ludwick as he’s owed similar money. About $3M for Byrd and about $3.25M for Ludwick.
sourbob
Pederson has 20 HR, 25 SB, 71 BB, a .325 BA and a 1.039 OPS. It’s ridiculous he’s still waiting for his shot. The Dodgers need to figure out who they’re going to unload of their non-Puig OF and clear a spot for him.
jeffm
How about this: Lee, Papelbon and Asche to the Dodgers for Kemp, Seager, Lee and Schebler.
Opens a spot for Pederson and while it would increase payroll for a couple years, they’d have Kemp’s $65M off the books from 2017-’19. Also gives the Dodgers another front of the rotation arm, a reliable closer and a young big league 3B.
Gives the Phillies some financial flexibility over the next couple years even though they’re taking on more money in the long run, but it also gives them prospects to build around.
Thoughts?
Gumby65
Clearing Kemp’s contact for Lee’s doesn’t look to flavorful right now, especially when Kemp has a better chance of recovering than Lee (albeit just one start, small sample size). Not that I am opposed to moving Kemp… Papelbon might get it done if Dodgers send some money along, without all of the other spare parts.
jeffm
I can’t see that happening. Kemp is owed so much money that without getting good prospects as well in return it makes no sense. Unless the Dodgers are taking on like $80M or so of the $120M he’s still owed, that wouldn’t be worth it on the Phillies end.
Gumby65
Shhhh…. Reuben might see this though 😉
mrnatewalter
If this were any other club, I’d disagree… but when you throw Amaro’s name in there, you just never know what on earth he might do.
vtadave
I’ll speak for the Dodgers and respectfully pass. Only way I’m moving Seager is for MAYBE David Price. Even then…
jeffm
I get that, Seager is highly regarded. It’s a scenario unlikely to happen, but one that helps both teams now and in the future.
LIMetfan22
That would be a MASSIVE overpay on the Dodgers part. The only one worth anything there is Lee and you think the Dodgers are going to give up Seager for him? maybe if the Phils literally eat Lee’s entire contract.
jeffm
Guess you missed taking on Matt Kemp’s $120M.
LIMetfan22
you think they’re going to give up Seager just so someone takes Kemps contract off of them?
…wow.
jeffm
Did you even read the proposal and reasoning behind it?
Sky14
“Phils literally eat Lee’s entire contract”
Do they have to eat it dry or can they at least put some sort of sauce/dressing on it?
LIMetfan22
dry bruh.
ChiefIlliniwek
I like the creativity.
Federal League
It’s hard to open up a slot when the major league club has committed the kind of dollars the Dodgers have in the outfield.
sourbob
Even if they feel that way, it’s still time to act. It’s [blank] or get off the pot time. They either need to cash Pederson in on a big trade before he starts to stagnate or make room for him.
Gumby65
100% for the latter.
Federal League
I don’t know if stagnate is something I’d agree with. He’s 22 years old. Plenty of 22 year olds [and older players] spend more than half a season in AAA.
I admit it’s maybe more pressing with Pederson because he can actually play CF which nobody on Los Angeles’ 25-man can really do.
Gumby65
“If the Rays do sell Price, they’ll be open for business and listen on a number of other players, including Ben Zobrist, Matt Joyce and Yunel Escobar. Their preference is to deal Price and Zobrist in separate trades, if that comes to pass.”
Not necessarily true.
A Price trade can still bring them a couple of young arms and not totally wash out what they have going for them this year. They don’t have to have a purge if they remain competitive.
LIMetfan22
Loving this Phillie meltdown. They’re going to be in the NL East cellar for so long. Not like they’re gonna get any good prospects for anyone besides Lee and Hamels, who aren’t going to be traded.
sourbob
Maybe they could trade for Bartolo Colon.
(Kidding)
TommyC
Could still never top the 2007 meltdown.
LIMetfan22
Enjoy living in 2007, then. You’ll be seeing a lot of Harvey-Wheeler-Syndergaard the next 6-8 years.
Enjoy your day in philly ;]
Phillyfan425
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. I’ll take 20 years of awful, as long as we got that 1 year as champions. And we got that.
LIMetfan22
That’s true. But it’s gonna be a long 20 more years starting this year.
Besides, what other championships do Philadelphia sports even have lately? …
mrnatewalter
I guess I’d have to respectfully disagree… as much as I want championships, I’d rather be in contention and miss every year than to win it once and be awful for 2 decades.
Phillyfan425
I get that. I also know that a title is always there. When you can go back and look at the record books, your team’s name will always be there as champions. Nobody really cares about the team that made it to the playoffs every year and never won it all (except THAT team).
What’s the old Ricky Bobby saying…if you’re not first, you’re last. That’s kinda how I look at things (in the big picture) for sports teams.
stl_cards16
I really don’t care what other people remember about my favorite teams. 2004 was one of the funnest seasons I have ever watched as a Cardinals fan. The run in 2011 to make the playoffs would stand out to me even if it didn’t end in a championship. I don’t think a championship defines a season to most fans.
Phillyfan425
2007 stands out as a great season for me. But I’ll never forget 2008. Even though 2009-2011, we had better teams, 2008 is still the thought that replays in my head when I think about the Phillies (Lidge striking out Hinske on the nasty slider – with HK calling it in the background – and everyone piling up on Lidge just off the mound).
Never said it had to be a blanket thing that everyone agreed with – just that I’d take 20 years of awful if it meant getting that 1 championship.