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Karkat
Wow, I remember all the arguing about the Mets situation a couple years back. I guess THIS is actually the way the majority of the teams had interpreted the protected picks rule after all.
HobokenMetsFan
I’m not surprised at all by it. Why should the Mets have been penalized that offseason for signing Bourn when they did indeed finish with a top 10 worst record? (Not that I especially wanted Bourn). It’s not the Mets’ fault the Pirates couldn’t sign their pick the year before.
Karkat
My argument at the time was that everyone signed an agreement that said “the top 10 picks are protected” and not “the picks of the 10 worst teams from the previous year are protected.” The Mets didn’t really have a case given what was honestly pretty cut-and-dry wording.
That said, I think this is a fairer and more sensible way of doing things, and is likely how a decent chunk of the CBA signees probably envisioned things.
HobokenMetsFan
Fair point on the literal semantics, I think the Mets’ stance was more about the “spirit of the rule” which seems to be “10 worst records.” However, I do agree that this is a fairer and more sensible interpretation.
East Coast Bias
Most people, including myself, were not arguing over what the rule was… as that’s pretty black and white, but more so over what it SHOULD be. The system was broken. Everyone on our side wanted the system to change so the Mets can save their first round pick, not show them any preferential treatment for this one time case.
Rally Weimaraner
How is the slot value system effected, do the #3-11 slots now have the same value as slots #2-10 would have without the Astros comp pick?
Revery
Good. Unintended consequences should be corrected when possible.
MB923
If Astros finish with worst record, they get number 1 AND number 2?
Rally Weimaraner
Well the Astros did miss out on 3 picks this year, including the #1 overall, to get one extra first round pick next year. Seems fair to me.
MB923
Oh I’m not saying it’s unfair. It’s just crazy.
East Coast Bias
Good point. That’s crazy!
bomok
But since it’s the “worst record”. if the Astro’s were to sign someone this offseason, would they lose the #2 pick? Because thay wouldn’t have gotten THAT one from their record last year.
Or if they are the 11th worst team this year, and the sign a FA with a QO do they lose the #2 pick?
Rally Weimaraner
To answer your fist questions: “changes have been made that will protect the picks of the teams with the 10 worst records”
Picks not pick…..all the astros first rounds picks will be protected in the have one of the 10 worst records.
To answer your second questions: good question.
East Coast Bias
The number 2 pick is protected regardless of where they draft next year. If they are to lose a pick, it will not be their 2nd overall. @bomok:disqus
Rally Weimaraner
Under the old system I know that how it would work but how do you know it works that way now?
“Previously, the CBA had called for the “Top 10″ picks to be protected, but changes have been made that will protect the picks of the teams with the 10 worst records, regardless of whether or not comp picks are inserted into the first 10 selections”
According to that statement, which is from this article and not the CBA, only the picks of the teams with the 10 worst records regardless of their position in the draft are protected. If you have a link to a relevant section of the new CBA I would appreciate it.
Steve Adams
The No. 2 pick they received as compensation is protected, as the title and the final paragraph of the post outline. Comp picks are protected, as are the top (natural) picks of the 10 worst teams.
East Coast Bias
If they’re the 11th worst team, they will draft 2nd and 12th. If they sign a free agent with draft pick compensation attached, they will lose the 12th pick, since it is not protected as the top 11 are.
If they are the 10th worst team, they will draft 2nd and 11th, and thus will not lose any first round picks to draft pick compensation in the event they sign a free agent with a QO attached.
Sufferfortribe
This very situation may have cost the Mets a chance to sign Michael Bourn in the 2012-13 offseason (an outcome that, in hindsight, may have been beneficial to New York)……………and very UNbeneficial to Indians fans.
chicothekid
One of these days, FA prices are gonna start dropping BECAUSE so many of them keep going bust. Right?
Sufferfortribe
I don’t know, but I would have to guess no. I think there will always be teams desperate enough to throw too much money at a player, in the hope that they’ll be the guy to bring a ring to their team. I guess I’m old-school. I believe in developing your own players. That’s why more should be spent on scouting and development. And as an Indians fan, this is pretty much the reality that we live with.
Mikenmn
Is it wrong to hope that the Astros make an incredible stretch run and finish with a better than 11th worst record? They end up the season with six games against the Rangers and Mets, both of whom might be competing for one of those ten slots. I know no team ever makes it a strategy to be bad and collect top picks, of course.
Matt Mosher
The Astros have tanked for three seasons running.
Matt Mosher
How about this? You don’t sign a pick… That’s it. No extra pick the next year. No doubt that that helped Houston decide to reduce their offer to Aiken.
Tko11
Why would you give all the leverage to the player?
Mikenmn
There’s a middle ground here. The teams already have leverage, because, as we can see with Aiken and Nix, if they go to college they can’t sign for three years unless the accept the team’s offer. A team that doesn’t sign a first rounder shouldn’t be handed a nearly equal pick the next year. Let them have pick in the first round, but put it in the middle of the stack. Plenty of talent there.
Tko11
But they would be inclined to give the player the money he wants or else they may end up drafting in the middle of the pack in a weaker draft (in your scenario). The whole Aiken thing is a weird situation but if he really does have some sort of injury then I don’t blame the Astros for not giving him the money he wanted. Thats just from my understanding of that situation, I will admit I have not been following it all that closely.