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thecoffinnail
The Yankees weren’t interested in Shields in the off season.. I am not sure they would have much interest unless the Padres eat a bunch of salary to make up for the savings that received this year.. If the Red Sox were able to get a pitcher like Greinke on a 4 year deal would they really have lost a ton of money in passing on Hamels? Greinke is proven in the AL and is having a monster year.. Personally, I would rather have Greinke for $4m or so more a year than Hamels..
dylanp5030
Greinke is getting a lot more than you think if you think he’s signing just a 4 year deal.
Philliesfan4life
I believe greinke will opt out and test the market, the dodgers will have some competition to try and bring him back. I think a dark horse team to sign him could be the nationals
Stonehands
The nationals? They are said to be pretty close to their cap with the signing of Scherzer and need to focus on Zimmerman, Span, Desmond, Fister, Strasburg, Harper, Ramos and a few others leaving. I think they will grab a pitcher, but not another ace
Philliesfan4life
Fair enough, But I think that this could be the make or break year for the nationals. As for greinke leaving L.A , I think it happens
Vandals Took The Handles
It is pretty well known that the Nationals are letting Zimmermann, Span and Desmond go. Probably Fister as well unless he agrees to a shot-term incentive-laden contract – he has not pitched well this year. Strasburg and Harper are not free agents. They will very probably resign Ramos.
The Nationals have a number of young starting pitchers they will promote from the minors shortly. Would not be surprised to see them make a run for Greinke or Price in free agency, or trade for a TOR pitcher. Rizzo loves pitching.
miggypop44
I can see easily see Iwakuma getting much more than 1-2 years, especially after today’s performance. He’s the type of player an aggressive GM makes a 3-4 year offer and hopes he gets two seasons similar to what he did in 2013 and 2014.
East Coast Bias
I don’t understand the Padres and Panda link.
miggypop44
I could see Toronto making Dombrowski an offer he can’t refuse to become their President of Baseball operations to replace Beeston. They finally get a DD for the job after all.
Stonehands
Detroit, Toronto, Boston could all be looking at Dombrowski. Detroit would be smart to extend him before the others can talk to him if they are keen on holding onto him
Philliesfan4life
There is only a few teams that can trade for sonny gray, dodgers cubs and the red sox. they have the right prospects to snag him from the a’s.
Vandals Took The Handles
Nationals and others have th prospects as well. And Rizzo has a track record trading with Beane.
BoldyMinnesota
So could the Astros, Yankees, Jays, Twins, Pirates, Phillies or Braves…
tac3
Yup, for the teams that wanted Hamels, but valued all their top prospects, this is the moment of truth. Now you gotta pay darn near close to 30mil for 7yrs for a player who’s contract won’t end until his 36,37,38 years of age. It will get up their, due to all the teams bidding .. Everyone values prospects, so a good amount of teams will be willing to get their ace by spending. But if your prospects don’t pan out, then you lost out on a cheaper ace which would allow you to have sold your prospects high and given you greater financial flexibility in terms of pitching. Time will tell, but for an example, a few years back Hamels was rumored to be headed to Texas for Olt and Profar ….. Did they get the better deal now or then? Hamels for Olt and Profar would have been highway robbery, I doubt this trade will workout so well. Will see, it will be interesting to see how it plays out. Good luck to all the teams
Philliesfan4life
I can see Alfro and Williams up next year. But I don’t think Hamels will pitch well in texas. Just pitching in that place on hot summer days and in that stadium, I thought the dodgers were the best fit for him
Vandals Took The Handles
You are the first person I’ve seen bring that up, and I think you’re correct.
Hamels is not a blow then away / K guy. The humidity in Arlington has made is a hitters park since its inception. Hamels hope is that he wind games 4-3 and 5-4 instead of 3-2 and 2-1.
RedRooster
He has pitched in a hitter’s park throughout his entire career
willi
I Agree, Dodger Stadium would have been perfect fit for Cole Hamels, He a Strikeout , Flyball pitcher, Even Citizens Bank Park , was better for him than Hot Air Texas Stadium, Two flyball that barley make it out in Texas might have been caught or off the Wall in Phila. He Smart and he’ll adjust to Park,by throwing more Junk and keeping batters off his Fastball as he ages.
It might even be good for him in the Long Run , I bet though that Rangers Trade him Late next season to Dodgers or Giants if he not effective .
mike156
TAC, the market spoke, and the Phillies did reasonably well, but not the haul RA expected. Assets are worth what other people are willing to pay for them. The alternative was for the Phillies to hold, and fairly obviously, they choose to take the best offer on the table rather than take any additional risk. The deal the Phillies got was what Hamels was worth.
double
No one knows what Amaro expected, but Phillies’ fans were told no one would give up top 40 prospects for Hamels and they got three players in BP’s top 40. The Phillies ended up with more than the fans expected.
edcl51
Total stupidity on Bostons part for taking the cheap on getting Hamels.
MeowMeow
There’s also the whole thing about Hamels not being willing to waive his no-trade rights to go to Boston but hey, why pay attention to that when you could just hate on Boston right?
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While Hamels wouldn’t waive his no trade for Houston there’s no evidence that the Phillies ever presented him with a Boston option. The Phillies were looking for a power hitting outfielder and a catcher at AA or above and the Red Sox weren’t offering either.
MeowMeow
Hamels has been quoted multiple times recently as saying that the only AL teams he would waive for would be New York or Texas.
double
He was never quoted once saying that. He said that he’d be open to whatever the team presented him with and consider it then. There were a couple of times where an inside source said he thought Hamels wouldn’t go to Houston, but there was no attribution and nothing on Boston.
He couldn’t waive his no trade for New York or Texas since neither were on his no trade list. He was traded to Texas without his permission.
Mr Pike
Trading Soria for an A ball shortstop they don’t need when they still had an outside chance at the playoffs was a huge mistake.
I wouldn’t say they can’t identify relievers. They’ve identified Grilli, Rodney, Andrew Miller, Benoit, Valverde, Furbush and Knebel.
They just can’t get them to pitch consistently well in the playoffs in a Tiger uniorm.
mwk89
i havent seen any red sox fan saying that?
bruinsfan94 2
How many times are you going to say that exact same nonsense? No one has ever said that beside you.
afuster
” the Padres could make a run at Pablo Sandoval”
seriously?
if the Sox put him on waivers, he won’t be claimed
RedRooster
Don’t think anyone is interested in trading for Shields when he’s making $21m a year the next 3 years. And with Upton it might be better to just take the extra draft pick.