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Brixton
Am I the only one still shocked the Sox haven’t tried Joe Kelly as the closer/SU yet?
As for Hanley, just put him at 1B until Ortiz retires.
bruinsfan94 2
Agreed on Kelly. Ether put Hanley at First or Third, which ever they/he thinks will go better, then have Sandivol play the other.
go_jays_go
The Red Sox could potentially have the next Wade Davis or Dellin Betances. And yet they insist on having Kelly start.
johnsilver
Can agree with you there, then he’s also got 4 plus pitches (FB, CB, Change and slider) giving him the potential tools to be a top end starter.
It’s really a conundrum with him and they are giving him a lot of rope before giving up. Davis was given many chances to start also, but he doesn’t have as many plus pieces (pitches) as Kelly even. The problems with him, IMO are in his selection and in his head. There is an article… Thinking on WEEI either today, maybe yesterday that goes into detail with regards to it.
When he was with the Cards, he didn’t make his own pitching calls, he ALWAYS went with Molina’s 1st selection. In Boston, he was not doing that. Hanahan was hurt half the season, he must have had trust issues with 2, basically rookie catchers in Swihart and leon (story didn’t go into detail there) and he was making his own pitch selections. He was hit hard.
Now he’s letting Hanahan call pitches and going with his 1st choice every time and his last 4 starts have been pretty good.
therealryan
Kelly doesn’t have four plus pitches, no matter how good they occasionally flash. He’s never had a FIP below 4.00 in four MLB seasons or had a FIP under 3.75 in a full minor league season. Players with four plus pitches don’t have such mediocre results in 6+ seasons. His curve and slider have continually been below average pitches. He’d be better off moving to the bullpen, scraping his breaking pitches and going primarily two seamer and change. I think he would have a good chance to be a high leverage reliever if he did.
stl_cards16 2
I think you got a bum scouting report if it read four plus pitches. His fastball is the only pitch that really has the potential to be a real plus pitch and he’s ever even been able to generate a lot of swing a miss with it. He is what he is, long man/spot starter.
johnsilver
This will be the last time every waste time with a reply on you:
You yourself were hyping how good Joe kelly was, before the trade to Boston and how good his secondary pitches are. Why not get off that high horse you can’t get off of and see that there are 29 other teams in the league, other than ones which play in St Louis?
stl_cards16 2
And he was never anything more than a #5 starter with the Cardinals, not sure why what he did there would be helpful.
mookiessnarl
Kelly’s 5-0 with an era of 3.03 over the last month. I doubt they’re looking to move him out of the rotation right now.
johnsilver
Ortiz is telling Ramirez.. “look man.. If I can play that position, anyone can do it”.
Vandals Took The Handles
Think DD will be happy with 1B being played as well as Ortiz does it?
johnsilver
Not to mention, Ortiz played it a couple days back in June, when Napoli couldn’t buy a hit that month and Ortiz started complaining that his knees were hurting too much to play it on day 3.
I don’t really think he’s the absolute worst 1b have seen the last few years when he’s out there (think Adam Dunn, Michael Morse), but then you combine his WAY below average D, his balky knees and ankles? He has no business playing 1b more than 20 +/- games a year.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
“The Orioles seemingly claim everyone,” said the unnamed GM. Of course, Baltimore has yet to pull off any deals this month (or end up being awarded any claimed contracts).
This strategy of DD is apparently about as effective as Showalter’s shift!
SMH
These two (DD and Buck) deserve each other.
seamaholic 2
That’s not generally why teams make waiver claims. It’s more commonly to block teams behind them on the priority list. O’s must think the Yanks and Blue Jays (and others) are going to be active, so they’re just using their leverage to stop it.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
And this leverage is helping the O’s in the win column?
I know it’s not exactly helping against the Royals tonight that’s for sure.
willi
It would help his Knees if he joined Weight Watchers!
Fangaffes
Hanley is like the anti- Brock Holt. He fails at every position he “tries”.
Fangaffes
There isn’t enough time for Buchholz to build up his arm strength to be a starter this season. How about trying him at closer or setup man when he comes back? He can’t be worse than what they have.
ianthomasmalone
I don’t think he would be amicable to that at all since it would essentially guarantee they wouldn’t pick up his option and it would be a serious detriment on his FA stock.
joeyo38
The best way CC can help the Yanks is by sitting out the rest of the season.
ianthomasmalone
That 13 million option is definitely a bummer. He doesn’t really deserve it and yet it’s low enough that they’ll probably take the flier.
Ken M.
Sox and Buch will work out a 2 year deal for about 18M.