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jr428
I could see DiPoto going after Cashner or Shields, especially if Felix’s elbow is enough of a concern.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
Looks like no more Latos, Off to the Angels.
disgruntledreader 2
For the next six days.
elegantmule
I’d be shocked if Beltran made the hall. If Dale Murphy can’t get in, playing in the pre-steroid era, I don’t think Carlos will either.
Brixton
I think Beltran has a good shot.
Dale Murphy’s career wasn’t up to Beltran’s in terms of stats.
Beltran .280/.355/.490 is better (not by a ton) than Murphy’s .265/.346/.469.
Beltran is going to end up with 500+ more hits than Murphy, slightly more HRs, 200+ more RBIs. Beltran was a much better base stealer (150 more SBs with 19 less CS).
Beltran had 150 more 2B, was a better OFer defensively.
Then theres that WAR stat where Beltran has 30+ more than Murphy.
thecoffinnail
Beltran will finish with better stats than Murphy all the way around.. Murphy was well on his way to the hall but after he turned 31 he went downhill fast.. If he had managed to stay healthy and put up even half of what he did in his 20’s he would be in the hall.. Murphy’s back to back MVP’s are nothing to sneeze at you have to put him in the same category as Andruw Jones.. It should be interesting to see how well he does when he becomes eligible..
rct
While they have identical OPS+, Beltran and Murphy are not good comps. Murphy had a higher peak (and a pair of MVPs), but he really only had 6 or 7 good seasons. Beltran has well over a decade of excellence. His counting numbers are getting further away from Murphy’s and his WAR is ~50% higher than Murphy’s. Beltran is approaching 70 WAR, which puts someone firmly on the cusp.
Then again, I’m a ‘Big Hall of Fame’ guy and think that guys like Larry Walker and Edgar Martinez are no-brainer Hall of Famers (both around 70 WAR), so there’s that.
A'sfaninUK
Manny Ramirez and Carlos Beltran have almost WAR at this point, so there’s your comp, with Larry Walker and Andruw Jones being on the same tier.
I agree with a big Hall too, all these guys should be there: anyone with 60+ fWAR should be automatic entry. It’s so hard to be that good for that long, it’s not like bad players would be going in, these are multi-all-stars and team legends who all have 60+ WAR.
Lance
Murphy won two MVP’s. Not to put down Beltran who has been a helluva player but I don’t think either man should be in HOF.
Mr Pike
FYI, Feliz has looked good for the last month with a 2.53 ERA and .75 WHIP pitching in high leverage situations.
Mr Pike
He also has a 3.76 FIP for the season and has recently been named the closer. I wouldn’t be so quick to declare him a certain non-tender.
pat r. 2
Typical outsiders commenting on the Padres. You do realize this team has never had a significant acquisition in over decade. And with 2015 they got Kimbrel, Shields and Kemp. You have no idea what those acquisitons meant to Padre fans in San Diego unless you have lived here all your life. They overwhelmingly underachieved this year, but any person who says they need to dismantle the whole thing (including those from this trade deadline) obviously know nothing about what these players have meant to San Diego. Big names obviously mean little over the years, but for the time being (considering this is Prellers first year!) what he accomplished with the SD overall offensive numbers was very promising. So please, stop writing and commenting for a team you know nothing about. Thanks.
kent814
Completely agree. While it may make baseball sense to dismantle it, what the last offseason did to San Diego was amazing. I believe they sold more than 200% of last years season tickets if Im correct. Plus everyone that says they are bad is assuming that A. The pitching will stay at 2015 levels instead of 2014 and B Wil Myers is going to be injured. In 2014 it was the great pitching that carried us, this years it was the offense. If Cashner, Shields, Kimbrel, and the bullpen do what we are used to them doing instead of their 2015 numbers, and offense performs similiarly to this year, this is a playoff team.
rct
Just to piggy-back on your point, the Padres have seen the 6th-highest increase in attendance this year at nearly 3500 more fans per game. All of the teams ahead of them (Blue Jays, Mets, Cubs, Royals, and Astros) are playoff-bound teams who improved greatly this year.
A'sfaninUK
Who seriously cares about attendance?
rct
The guy I’m responding to? Also, every single team cares about attendance because it is a source of revenue. The Mets, for example, have made anywhere from $10 to $20MM more than they made last year, just on attendance/ticket sales. It’s eminently important, not sure how you can think otherwise, especially for a low- to mid-level team like the Padres.
More specifically, the Padres, despite not playing well, still had the 6th highest increase in attendance this year. That was the OP’s point, that despite not playing well, the fanbase was still energized and it lead to an increase in attendance (and ~$5MM+ in revenue).
A'sfaninUK
Disagree wholeheartedly due to revenue sharing and MLB team owners all being wealthy, other than maybe OAK and TB every team can at any given time go out and give $100M deals to “big name” guys, but that doesn’t mean they should and as the 2015 Padres have shown, it actually is a really terrible way to build a team. Is OP saying that SD is better off for having names and losing because the owners made more money from attendance? Or is OP saying that SD would be worse off if they made the playoffs based off guys they bought up from the farm and role players aka “no-names” but were bottom 10 in attendance?
SD seems to be the only fanbase in baseball where winning is never the most important thing, they seem to enjoy losing with players they know by name. I can’t stand reading their viewpoints, they’re the laziest fanbase in MLB and need to get fired up to win and not just be comfortable.
Mr Pike
Your assumption that SD would have made the playoffs with a bunch of farm hands and role players is pretty wild, don’t you think?
If you are going to finish in last, it’s better to be proactive and fail than to maintain the status quo.
jacobyrush25
Salt.
kent814
What do you mean they enjoy having name players? Before 2015 our most popular player was either Chris Denorfia or Joaquin Benoit so that point is invalid. Also that the padres dont care about winning is false, or else why would we support them?
seamaholic 2
If you think $5m in increased revenue matters to anyone at all in the Padres organization, you’re sadly mistaken.
Mr Pike
You really think the Blue Jays aren’t thrilled to see their stadium full every night?
seamaholic 2
While a bit cynical for my taste, you’re absolutely right. No one cares about it anymore. Attendance is a pretty minor part of team budgets these days.
Mr Pike
KC could not have made the additions they have this year without the huge boost in attendance. Remember, attendance is an great indicator of fan interest which is then reflected in TV revenue and merchandise sales. Saint Louis would be nowhere near where they’re at if fan interest didn’t pay for their scouting and farm system expenses.
willi
Agree, Disarranged people.
A'sfaninUK
Typical SD fan response, attaching value to the “name players” on their poorly constructed squad. You guys are so far away from understanding what good, winning baseball looks like its incredible. Have fun not winning your division anytime soon!
Like seriously, how dare you come in here and badmouth Steve Adams, who knows your team better than you do? How about you just take your homer hat off for a second and realize that your team had no LH bats and horrendous defense which obviously led to the pitching suddenly “underperforming”…you SD fans are so sensitive to your failure of a season, sheesh
kent814
We didnt exactly have great defense in 2014 but we still had a top 5 pitching staff
37santobanks
I would love to see the Cubs sign Fowler for 3-4 years. They don’t have an obvious CF coming up through the pipeline and he has been a pretty decent fit. Any thoughts on who would start CF for the Cubs in 2016 if not Fowler?
ronnsnow
I could see the Cubs acquiring Jacoby Ellsbury in some sort of deal revolving around Baez, Castro, or both.
Los Calcetines Rojos
I can see Baez and a mid level prospect but I doubt both are put in that deal. Theo loves Ellsbury but if they get Fowler on a reasonable offer then there is no reason for the trade. Fowler will probably push 55+ at 4 years which I think may be a little high but hey I think he’s a big reason the cubs have been great this year! Guess we’ll have to wait and see
This offseason will ultimately decide what they will be doing over the next 4-6 years.
IMO if its not Fowler then I wouldn’t be shocked to see Coghlan get a shot at CF. I don’t think Bryant, Schwarber, or Soler project very well in CF.
123redsox
My top 7 second tier hitters in the 2016 FA class: ben zobrist,Howie Kendrick, asdrubal cabrera, daniel Murphy, debates span, dexter Fowler and Alejandro de aza
Los Calcetines Rojos
I think the sox main issue may be Ventura at this point. The team really started to come together as youth began to come up. Reinsdorf has to understand, from a business aspect, that just because you believe in someone doesn’t mean they get infinite chances to prove it.
Besides that Hahn has being doing a good job at the reins and the rotation looks solid. If Rodon, Johnson, and Montas can take over the 3,4, and 5 spots I’d be thrilled. IMO those are 3 very solid pitching prospects with Rodon and Montas being borderline ace potential. They have more talent than people think