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sigurd 2
Every time I see that number for Porcello it looks worse.
arc89
What were the redsox thinking? Pocello will never be better than a #3 starter. He is getting a #1 starter money. If somebody signs Chen for that amount they will regret it.
Mark 20
Hes getting #2 money not really #1 if you ask me.
MB923
Only 11 pitchers (probably will be 13-14 soon) have an AAV of $20+ million remaining on their contracts. Porcello is one of those 11. Unless you are the Dodgers or Yankees or Red Sox, a #2 type pitcher (which Porcello isnt) will not get $20+ million a year from any team
Mark 20
Yeah but you could probably triple that number if you count all of the young pitchers making the league minimum or whom are in arbitration. And i disagree with that. A true #2 starter such as a Zimmermann, will command 20m+
MB923
The only reason Zimerrmann is not a #1 starter because of the team he played on. He’d be a #1 SP on many teams.
kingjenrry
Nope. The reason he’s not a #1 is because his stuff and performance have not been representative of a true #1. There are only a handful of true aces in the game and Zimmermann is in the next group; he’s no Kershaw, Scherzer, Price, etc.
kingjenrry
Zimmermann was a number two. Who knows if he still is after guys 2015.
Tony Matias
Wrong Fernandez linked.
Steve Adams
Thanks. Auto-linker grabbed the wrong one. Fixed now.
Tony Matias
Thanks Steve. Love your work.
TSertich
The link is right
Steve Adams
It is now, but only because Tony pointed it out. The automatic player-linking script we used initially pulled the wrong Jose Fernandez.
Mark 20
Greinke wont take less than what Jon Lester got. Trust me on that.
Lance
and why would he take less? Grienke has won three out of four decisions over the last five years, logs 210+ inning. He’s worth the money to LA especially because he is lights out at Dodger Stadium.
Mark 20
In the article it projected he would make 6 years 153m while lester makes 6 yr 155m. Thats why I stated that.
mrshyguy99
don going from a team with talent to a team who wont have any talent if they keep trading some of their best players
donniebaseball
Wei-Yin Chen will absolutely not get $20M annually. There are significant differences between the two players. Porcello was 26 when he signed his extention and Chen is 30 years old. Also, Porcello was trending upwards in his performance the past 2 years before his extension, whereas while Chen’s ERA the past few years is similar, is about to leave the prime age of his career. A lot of Porcello’s money in his contract was based off the Red Sox thinking he would continue to improve significantly, whereas with Chen you cannot make that assumption.
Mr Pike
The nail was just hit on the head here. If there are second tier pitchers age 26 trending up, then Porcello is a starting point for discussion. Otherwise, forget it.
mike156
The Porcello comparison might easily cut the other way–as an example of overpaying for perceived future improvement in performance. Porcello has a career WAA of -.5. I understand what the Red Sox were doing–they thought they were getting someone on the rise and locking in his good years for more than they would have to pay of the free agent market, it might still work out. But it shouldn’t give comfort to someone looking to value the next pitcher.
Mr Pike
Since the $20MM doesn’t start until next year, it’s too early to call this contract an overpay. It might be an underpay over the length of the contract.
ianthomasmalone
He wouldn’t have got anywhere near that sum if he was a FA now so it’s most certainly an overpay. Time will tell if he lives up to the deal.
JMCOLLECTIBLES
Which ever team gets lackey make sure they have beer in the dugout
jd396
MLBPA advises players to turn free agency into an auction so as to artificially drive up the value of mid-tier free agents and to establish an inflated benchmark for next year’s FA class, and nobody cares. Imagine if owners all got together and openly stated that they wouldn’t offer top dollar to the top free agents because they wanted to artificially drive down the value of second-tier free agents and next year’s FA class…
If my bargaining unit said anything like that out loud there’d be a new RFP out trying to find someone else to do our job by the end of the week.
parkdav
This is what I have felt for a long time