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cstoked8
If the Cardinals do not resign Heyward, could they conceivably package some starting pitchers together and try and pry away JD Martinez from the Tigers?
RedFeather
I like the idea but dont see Detroit trading Martinez. It would take a lot to get him. What if the Cardinals looked into trading for Cargo if Heyward walks? I believe he is still under control for two-three more years and it would be worth giving up some young talent for an already proven young major leaguer?
biogeek23
.243 away from Coors at 17 million in 2016 and 20 in 2017. Hard to see that happening without money going to the Cards.
RedFeather
Well the Rockies are looking for hard throwing young pitchers so yes, they would have to eat some of that contract.
gray
As long as Choate isn’t back then I’m happy. I like the OF of Grichuk, Piscotty, Holliday, & Pham. I would like the Cards to pursue the heir to Molina. Maybe Hedges or Max Pentecost.
RedFeather
I think the Cardinals need to address SP first. They need to go out of their norm and sign a front line pitcher if they still want to compete for the next 5 years. Yes, the rotation dominated last year but will that actually happen again? No. Did their arms fall apart during the stretch? Yep. Will the Cubs try and sign 1-2 top pitchers in the offseason? Yes. With the Cubs young hitting and added pitching the Cardinals need to stock up on dominate pitching. Maybe (hate to say it) but trade Lynn and sign either Price, Grenke, or Zimmerman.
Wainwright
Price
Wacha
Martinez
Garcia/Gonzalez/Lyons/Reyes
Unless Heyward will take a 90Mill over 5 years Id say let him walk and let the young guys take over until Hollidays contract is up. These young guys are clearly talented and wont get better without any experience.
Trade Adams, Jay, and Borjours.. no need for them on the team at this point as they could yield a decent return in prospects (which the Cardinals are getting thin in that area).
Random idea: Package Randal Grichuk, Alexander Reyes, Peter Bourjos, and Matt Adams for Chris Sale…
calikid13
Giving up way too much for Sale… Reyes is nearly untouchable in value. Grichuk has future All Star talent written on him. Bourjos could draw interest from several teams but we’d be selling low on Adams right now.
Paddy
Gotta resign Lackey, yes he is older but a 2 yr deal, he was unbelievable the last year. He would continue to be a great fit for u guys. And I would live for heyward to somehow get to the Bronx so we can move Beltran out of the field. He is atrocious. But 10 yr contract, that has never, ever worked out. Now he is super young compared to the 30 yr olds who have gotten those 10 yr deals, but still, even with an opt out clause, 10 yrs is just way to much. And as phenomenal a fielder and runner that he is, his batting is less than desirable and at this point in his MLB career I think we can bank on continued offensive output like he has demonstrated. Everyone is just waiting for him to turn the proverbial corner, but I don’t think that’s gonna happen.
wongpitchwongtime
They should at least make a QO for Lackey. 2 years is probably not what they want out of him, but they’d be willing to risk him taking the QO for another year, otherwise they would be happy with the draft pick.
Also agree that Reyes isn’t going to be moved in any package though Sale would be awesome in a Cardinal uniform. I don’t see the cards as a serious player for Price. Agree on not getting value for Adams, he’s at the lowest value since coming up.
Little Tone
I lost you at Heyward for 90 mil. You clearly have no idea what the FA market is like. Not even going to comment on the Sale trade you came up with.
RedFeather
Im well aware of how the market work.. Im not saying that all he will get. I am saying that is all I would like to see the Cardinals offer him. Reread my post bud.
Cardsfan314
Okay I just want to say the cardinals have plenty of payroll space. If you look at Derrick Goold’s previous chats you can see the cardinals have plenty of payroll muscle, and they can use, whether they will or not is a different story, but they have plenty of payroll flexibility to add top tier players.
sigurd 2
This is all well and good, but who is going to be the team hacker?
I keed, I keed.
RedFeather
Well Im no Pete Rose but Im willing to BET former Cardinals GM Walt Jocketty might have an idea.. But Im just KICKING the tires on it like Johnny Cueto.
I keed, I keed.
drewm
The Cards will not re-sign Jason Heyward. They won’t want to pay him what he’s worth, and there are plenty of other clubs who would.
RedFeather
He is in no way, shape, or form worth $200 million. Sorry man
calikid13
They don’t need Heyward. QO him and get a pick. Sign or trade for a 1B. Pat Kivlehan with Seattle, Davis is a FA or Park in the foreign market.
fakedayton
I take it that Moss is getting non tendered correct?
calikid13
Possibly but it is a likelihood that he played this season with a nagging injury that hindered his performance. I could see the organization placing hope that he returns to his form from previous years. If they don’t acquire anyone for 1st they will likely hold onto him as trade bait if possible.
wongpitchwongtime
I wonder if the Cards would make a move for Adam Lind, an obvious improvement at 1st. The question would be…how much value would they have to give up? Lind is someone that would get a QO at the end of the season as well.
Cards Fan 2
I wouldn’t hate that, but I have a feeling the Brewers would still ask way too much for him, especially to trade him inside the division. Otherwise I think we would have got him at the trade deadline last year.