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Niekro
Toussaint the strongest prospect? debuting in 2016? those are bold shocking statements
raykraft88
Exactly my thoughts as well. I can see a case for top 5 but tough to put him above Swanson. I guess based on talent ceiling, maybe he ends up being better than Albies & Newcomb. I’ve heard of his wondrous curve but he’s got to be able to control it.
waldo67
Not a lot of impact nineteen year olds
TheMichigan
I would give Swanson a year in the system before I give him number 1
A'sfaninUK
He’s 22, if he’s got an OPS over .800 after 2 months in AA then he’s coming up to the bigs. Correa is still younger than him.
kingjenrry
He’s pretty clearly already the best player in the system. He was drafted 1:1 and raked in his professional debut, showing strong SS defense and a polished bat.
David 8
I mean, his is the real deal according to most scouts. I don’t think he comes up until after the Break, though. All this assumes his BB/9 and K/9 numbers are in line.
frozemyblood
Man, the kid is 19 and not even throwing all of his pitches. There are at least 10 pitchers in the system more MLB ready than him currently. Yes he has potential, but outside of that curveball he’s still very raw.
bravesfan88
My thoughts exactly….He is a long way away, from even sniffing the majors…This statement is about as plausible as Dansby being the starting shortstop, at some point, in 2016….Not going to happen, maybe mid to late 2017…maybe, but no Touki for 2016…I’d bet money on that.
Niekro
Yeah it is just way too crowded to rush this guy from A ball to the majors in the span of a year I guess RP innings could be a long shot in 2016 if he really flys through the system and shows dominance. Too many other guys who are closer he’d have to jump so many guys.
A'sfaninUK
It’s comments like these that make me wish more fans understood how advanced many prospects are these days. Other than the super two rule, its not law for players to be in the minors for x-amount of years depending on age. What is the point of leaving a guy in a system where he isn’t being challenged in any way, shape or form?
Swanson and Toussaint could very easily be on the roster as early as June, if their numbers are good, then they’re coming.
undocorkscrew
Swanson………MAYBE. He’s certainly more polished and not blocked by an entire group of prospects. Toussaint has no shot of being on the 25-man roster in June. Think about it. He’s extremely raw and has as much upside as any pitching prospect they’ve ever had in their system. Why on earth would they rush someone so raw when they have Blair, Newcomb, Jenkins, Banuelos, Foltynewicz, Fried, Sims, Ellis, Gant, Bird, Whalen, Weber, and Perez ahead of him on the depth chart?
“What is the point of leaving a guy in a system where he isn’t being challenged in any way, shape or form?”
He’s clearly been challenged so far in his very young pro career. 116 IP, 5.74 ERA, 1.509 WHIP, 5.1 BB/9, 7.7 K/9. He’s gonna have to put up video-game type numbers to even get a promotion to Mississippi as early as June.
kingjenrry
Swanson played in college so is already a lot more polished physically and mentally. Touki never played college ball.
chad803
I love touki but no way he makes his debut in 2016. His numbers aren’t weren’t good. The braves website has his estimated time of arrival at 2018. He’s only 19. Too many other pitching prospects that are older and more developed (Jenkins,Newcombe,Ellis, Blair, Sims) will get a shot before he does. Just give him time and he’ll hopefully develop into a frontline starter.
hanks1hammer
I read that line and disagreed to. It seems so out of place that I wondered if he is thinking of Newcomb. I know Touki is a huge talent but from what I’ve read, he is very raw and at least 2 years away from the main show.
charles stevens
Absolutely no reason to rush a 19 yr old to the bigs to pitch for a losing team. Why start his clock? Let those kids earn their way to the bigs and you’ll have something in a couple years.
A'sfaninUK
If the Astros had that attitude with Correa they wouldn’t have made the postseason. Food for thought.
undocorkscrew
Correa had a ..335/.407/.600 line with 10 HR and 18 SB(1 CS) in 53 games between AA/AAA before getting called up to a CONTENDING team. Only thing those two have in common is age at the moment.
kingjenrry
Correa was raking at a higher level. Touki struggled.
donniebaseball
I’m glad Fernandez is being honest with management. Every management team should be held accountable for their actions.
everlastingdave
I wish all Marlins players would do that. The way Loria runs the team assumes and delivers failure every year, so any player with real talent should be making it clear they don’t enjoy playing for a joke of an organization.
chicothekid
Could not agree more Dave. If the players would start saying what the fans already are, perhaps some changes would ensue. I’m not even a Marlins fan and I feel bad for everyone in the South of Florida for the entire debacle. The stadium issue there is a disaster, the team is too, the owner is a crook. That’s pretty tough to assemble a FLORIDA fan base under those conditions. Nobody should have to put up with that kind of thing, but the MLB still doesn’t do anything about it, and they won’t until more people keep griping about it.
A'sfaninUK
Its funny what a beast Jorge Cantu still has been in the Korean and Mexican leagues since being booted from MLB at the end of 2012.
jakegreenberg24
Touki is a while away still. Not a shot he debuts in 2016. That’s like expecting Allard to debut in 2016.