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tim815
Wow. Just wow.
DontPush
Low risk, high reward deal. I’m into it
harperhill
I don’t get it. They non-tender him when he’s projected to make only $1M in arb, then sign him for 1.5M. I must be missing something.
tim815
That’s what I’m saying. If it’s a MiLB deal, then maaaaaaaaaybe, but nobody’s saying.
Jeff Todd
I treated it as being a report of a fully guaranteed, MLB deal because I believe any baseball reporter of Passan’s experience would qualify it if he meant anything else. But, we’ll see if anything else comes out.
BaseballWizard
It is a Major League contract. The confusion here is that while Turner earned a $1M salary in 2015, the tender rules use a different previous salary calculation. Turner played 2015 under the last option year on his Major League contract signed out of the draft. For tender purposes, his 2015 salary counts as his $1M salary plus his $4.7M signing bonus equally distributed over the six years of the contract. This results in a $1.783M previous salary calculation. The White Sox could have tendered him at any value above 80% of that value (approximately $1.427M). I am assuming that the agent would rather sign as a free agent rather than a pre-tender contract which called for a cut from his client’s previous salary calculation.
Needless to say, the MLBTR projection of $1M was not even possible given the rules in CBA.
Frank Richard
I absolutely love the way you explained this. Using real math and numbers and not just reaching for rule interpretations.
soxfan1
Well said
marcfrombrooklyn
That’s why many of us come here. When the source article misses something, the summary writer or a reader usually figures it out and explains it well. IN this case, as they say when someone in the crowd makes a nice catch, “give the fan a contract!”
shi1
That was a hate on Tyler flowers and how bad he sucked lol
chicubbies1
It’s gotta be nice to get paid $1.5 million to be a crappy pitcher.
tim815
to sit in the trainer’s office.
hubbs
Who’s Jacob Tuner?
Jeff Todd
Jacob Turner’s alter ego. He’s tuned up and ready to get back to being an ace.
rayrayner
It’s possible the MLBTR arbitration formula may be off for guys who are coming back from injury. The formula missed on Clayton Richard by $1 million.
It is curious that Turner got a half million raise. It could be based on service time for starting pitching even though a year was spent on the DL. Turner has three years. Richard missed being a free agent by a few days.
Or in Richard’s case, the Cubs may have offered him a higher salary in case they need to option him to the minors. Since Richard has service time, he can declare free agency, but he would then forfeit his remaining salary. They may have offered him enough to prevent that. Last year, Richard was DFA’d twice but he came back as a free agent as the Cubs ended up needing him.
It’s possible if the Sox want to outright Turner to the minors (I think he’s out of options) that this salary may prevent him from declaring free agency.
This is probably all about club control.
harperhill
Interesting explanation — thanks!
tim815
Somebody reads AZ Phil. 🙂
rayrayner
Yes, I’ve learned a lot from his articles.
Jeff Todd
The projections are obviously tweaked all the time and require data to drive improvements, so I’m sure Matt will take a look at all of that.
As he often notes in the posts he does on specific cases — those will start to come out before long, I’d expect — not every projection is equivalent to a real-world expectation.
If anyone is interested in understanding all this, his appearance on the podcast is a must-listen: mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/podcast-arbitration-tal…
homer 2
How can a player who did not even play in 2015 get a 50% increase? No i will not pay you 1 million dollars, absolutely not….how about 1.5….
tim815
Beats investing in the Dominican or the last 35 rounds of the draft.
TheMichigan
Just because he was PROJECTED by MLBTR means he would get that much, it could vary, and since he was non tendered we may never know his true arb price
Los Calcetines Rojos
exactly. could be he was pushing for more but who knows and no one should really complain about 1.5 on a low risk high reward player imo
Jeff Todd
Certainly. That’s why I wrote this: “It could be that … the club made the procedural move to ensure it wouldn’t end up being stuck with a higher-than-preferred obligation.”
Interesting thing here, though, is that he simply didn’t pitch in 2015. That’s somewhat different than a scenario where the two sides have a lot of room to argue over arb value for whatever reason. (E.g., lack of recent comps.)
Voice of Reason
$1.5 million and you might not throw a pitch with the big league club at all. Potential.