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adshadbolt
Verlander to the Red Sox is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. The sox don’t need a 33 year old pitcher who’s best years are clearly behind him, he is a #3 on most teams maybe a #2 on bad team and is making 30 mil a year there is no sense in that.
TheMichigan
The whole scenario is stupid and the article is barely anything anyways
BoldyMinnesota
I know it won’t happen, but kc should try doing what the Dodgers did with that arruebuena. Suspend him without pay for a month, maybe that’ll settle his bloated ego down a bit. What he does now hurts his team more then it helps, so they likely won’t miss him
davidcoonce74
That would involve a lengthy appeals process from the union. It would never happen. Arruebena was a minor-leaguer, and those guys aren’t part of the union.
cgeorge321
Can the Giants please trade for Rich Hill and take on Billy Buttler’s contract as a means to limiting the value of prospects to be given to Oakland?
Butler hits southpaws extremely well and the NL West rival Dodgers have a very left-handed heavy starting rotation. Also, Hill would obviously be an absolute stud as a #4 starter.
This deal makes a lot of sense for both teams, how realistic does this kinda trade look?
davidcoonce74
The concensus seems to be that Hill goes to the Giants or back to the Red Sox. That would be a pretty formidable starting four for the Giants, although they could probably use a bat more, since Panik and Duffy aren’t hitting and Pence is hurt. But acquiring Hill would allow them to move Peavy or Cain to the bullpen (or off the roster). As constructed, though, this Giants team only runs a few above-average hitters out there regularly in Posey, Belt and Crawford. Span hasn’t been terrible either. But they could use a bigger bat. Braun would be a perfect fit for them but I doubt SF has the prospects for that kind of move.
cgeorge321
Braun does make a lot of sense especially with the departure of Pagan next year. If the Giants covered most of Braun’s contract do you still see the prospect haul as being that significant on the Giants end? I feel like Milwaukee needs to eat a pretty substantial portion of the $80 mil still owed to the aging slugger. Despite his hot bat of late, there’s no way he sustains his current rate of production making his contract barely a bargain
pustule bosey
I can’t imagine the giants going for braun just because of the PED thing – the FO hasn’t wanted to go anywhere near anyone with a PED issue since bonds and is still licking it’s wounds after melky turned out to be jucing.
cgeorge321
Really? If anything I feel like the front office has a penchant for not caring about previous PED suspensions (ex. Signing Guillermo Mota after 2 suspensions, Bonds and even after getting burned by Melky in 2012, they still had a well-documented rumored interest in signing him during the 2014 offseason)
I still say they trade for Braun and cover a large portion of the contract thus enabling them to send lower tier prospects in return to Milwaukee. Pagan and Peavy will be off the books next year and Cain, Pence and most likely will be gone after 2017. They have money to spare and they will need Beede, Stratton, Blackburn in the near future
cgeorge321
Most likely Cueto*
pustule bosey
they were nowhere near resigning melky – it would have caused way too much confllict in the clubhouse – you forget that when the suspension ended they just let him go even though he could have come back for the post season. Bonds is the reason they stay away- and mota well, don’t ask me there. The FO and the clubhouse is really big on a general no drama atmosphere – PEDs are the first thing people think of with the giants …. although you don’t think of it with the red sox, yankees, cubs, As, reds etc etc and those guys all did it too, the FO knows that and tries to be cautious about it.
cgeorge321
Just reported: the Giants and Brewers have had preliminary talks about a Ryan Braun trade…..
giants51
A closer is a must for the Giants….. A starter wouldn’t hurt either
cgeorge321
I agree but historically the Giants usually promote their minor league pitchers to hold down the closer role (ex. Romo, Casilla, Wilson) so I would expect Strickland or Guerrin to get a shot before resorting to external options such as Miller. Albeit, the Giants usually are not towards the bottom of the league in bullpen ERA which unfortunately is the case this year.
Adding a reliable #4 pitcher and a complimentary position player at this years trade deadline would be more in line with what they’ve done in the past. I’m trying to stay optimistic that Bochy can eventually figure out stable roles with his current staff of relievers, a task he’s consistently accomplished for as long as I can remember
pustule bosey
actually historically they tend to pick up relievers at the waiver wire or in minor contracts and turn them around or use them properly – of the guys in the “core 4” the only one from the system is romo and all kinds of other guys through the years who have come and gone like mota, penny, mijares, etc,
Ekostuke
Sean Dolittle Rich Hill and Billy Buttler for San José and Aramis Garcia
cgeorge321
Not enough on the Giants end, might have to part with Blackburn or Fox to land Doolittle and Hill, even if the take on Butler’s awful contract
pustule bosey
honestly I don’t think the giants need hill, there are a lot of starting options in AAA if cain and peavy backslide (they have been a lot better as of late) but dolittle would be a huge boost to the bullpen and I think he fits in the clubhouse nicely
cgeorge321
Doolittle is injury prone and Hill would only be in the rotation for the end of this season. I still think they call up someone like Ray Black to help out in the pen before they resort to trading for a dominant reliever like Wilson
pustule bosey
I would love to see ray black come up – if he can get his command together he would do great – I also think that blackburn should get a go in the rotation if it is needed rather than a trade for a starter. If romo doesn’t come back though there really needs to be a presence that pulls the bullpen together and that is why a trade would be a good thing. right now it is casilla who is shaky lopez who is close to retirement and a lot of young guys.
adshadbolt
The deal for San Jose would before hundreds of millions of dollars not for 2 ok players and a bad contract
RunDMC
Interesting read comparing CHC/ATL rebuilds. Never really mentioned but I believe a major factor is the ownership differences in that CHC has a willing and active single owner, while ATL has a silent, inactive corporate owner with a pledge for continued financial price, but only in line with attendance, thus the need to find a new home with additional revenue streams. With pitching being the most expensive position, I believe they are trying to become self-reliant as a means of saving. It just so happens to come at a time when there are few bats available. I hope passing up Kyle Lewis and Corey Ray was the way to go, but it makes me very uncomfortable to think that all of the strategy still hasn’t acquired any bats. And if their plan is to load up in the draft with arms, then bats in the international draft, I think our fans better become more patient with their timelines if we are seriously relying on 16-year old millionaires rounding into form. Coppy hates fan support.