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BoldyMinnesota
They should blow it up now and go into a braves like rebuild. They have some good prospects in the system, plus one high pick this year, as well as compensary picks for upton and Kennedy. If they eat some of upton jr’s or kemps salary, they could get something of value back in prospects. Then hope Ross comes back good as ever, rebuilds his value, and get some top prospects for him
chesteraarthur
Upton maybe. They’d have to eat pretty much all of Kemps salary and then still may not get much back. He’s pretty awful
YourDaddy
Ross just started doing soft toss today. He won’t be back until August according to Mighty 1090. That is too late to reestablish his value before the trading deadline.
TDKnies 2
Yeesh, competitive as you may be I’m not sure these are things you say outside of closed doors. And if you’re trying to fire them up and kick em in the butt, I’m not sure that’s something you can successfully accomplish from anything other than the manager’s position.
GeauxRangers
Yeah I agree with that.
YourDaddy
Fowler pretty much violated every rule of business management in that interview.
Gogerty
Agreed, I did like Shields’ response to it. Kind of called Shields out and he brushed it off.
cubsfan2489
San Diego is like a west coast version of the White Sox. Refuse to rebuild, spend money on free agents that make no sense or make trades that don’t make any sense. Tear it down, all the way down. Shoulda never let Hoyer leave. They’d be a respectable organization if he were still GM
Math&Baseball
No they wouldnt! Here’s some highlights of hoyers tenure.
He traded their prime player for essentially nothing. He literally gave adrian gonzalez away for rizzo kelly patterson and fuentes to his buddy theo in boston. 3 of the 4 have done nothing in kelly fuentes and how patterson was involved idk.
He traded kluber for ryan ludwick who didnt do what the padres hoped.
Oh and he was responsible for the disaster that was jason bartlett who he gave up gomes and ramos who did more for the mlb level then bartlett did for the padres.
His 2010 draft with the padres you know who was the best? Tommy Medica. His 2011 draft, think he was still around, was a lot better, but seriously Tommy Medica.
People have been cleaning up his mess since.
YourDaddy
A straight up trade of Rizzo for Gonzalez would be pretty even looking at it today. That was certainly not a bad trade. Hoyer had several really good drafts and Preller traded almost all those players away.
Math&Baseball
Had he stayed rizzo would of been average at best.
Several really good? Hoyer was hired in 2009 october joined cuns 2011 october. He drafted 2010. As I mentioned Tommy Medica was the sole name from that draft, gyorko had 1 good season, spence is out of the league, barbato isnt helping the yankees pen. 2011 he netted spangenberg ross hedges wisler peterson. Which peterson sucks and wisler has an xfip of 4.5 or worse both seasons in atlanta. Only good player he dealt from hoyer was ross.
Several really good drafts. One awful and one awesome doesnt equate several good.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Rizzo would have been an All Star no matter where he played. If you look at a map of the home runs he has hit, most of them would have gone out in any park.
More importantly, if Byrnes hadn’t traded him for Cashner, the Padres as a team would have won more games in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016. And that’s the only reason we need to not make that trade.
Math&Baseball
2015- Rizzo was 1-11 at petco.
2014- Rizzo was 2-13 at petco
2013- Rizzo was 4-14 at petco
2012- Rizzo was 1-12 at petco
2011- Rizzo was 9-52 at petco.
Thats 17-102 at petco life time. For a whopping .167 batting average. There’s no way he’d of been as successful staying in petco considering of those 17 hits, 7 (5 came as a rookie with the padres ) doubles, 1 triple, 1 HR (those came all his rookie reason with the padres too).
dewssox79
jed hoyer is a puppet taking credit for theos moves. hoyer isnt anything special as im sure he is just theos secretary.
davidcoonce74
Wow. 102 At bats. That’s an incredibly tiny sample size.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Once again you are proving that you know nothing about baseball.
Rizzo has two home runs at PETCO in his career and has a .167 batting average there over a ridiculously small sample size of 102 AB’s. And most of those AB’s were from his rookie season when he was called up way too early. If you want to cherry-pick small sample sizes, I can cherry pick the 2013 season when he batted .286 at PETCO. Obviously it’s easier to hit in Wrigley Field, but that doesn’t mean we SHOULD have traded Rizzo to the Cubs. By that logic, the Rockies should trade us Tyler Matzek and Jon Gray because it’s easier to pitch in PETCO.
And once again, the Padres as a team would have won more games in 2012 through 2015 if they hadn’t made the Rizzo-Cashner trade, which is the only reason they need to not make that trade.
Math&Baseball
I do enjoy your lack of reading skills. Its quite entertaining.
1st you couldnt read when I said if phillies are in contention for a wild card as the dead line approaches shields would help their pitching staff. Somehow you messed up reading that despite 3 or 4 posts clearing stating the situation.
Now, you clearly added a phrase i did not say. I said had rizzo stayed with the padres he would of been average. Nowhere did I say trade him. He wouldnt be putting up the numbers he would had he stayed in san diego.
Also, if you figure a batter gets 3-4 PA a game 102/3.5 is around 30 games worth of sample size at petco which is about 19% of the season assuming he plays all 162, so its roughly 1/5 a season worth of plate appearence if you factor in days off. Not a large sample size but decent enough to say .167 batting average isn’t good production and would get you sent down to the minors for work.
Also, 2 HRs in 102 plate appearences that clearly changes things! Actually, no it doesnt. Mind linking the link though i used fox sports database and didnt see it posted.
Also, need to work on your math ability. “Most” his at bats? Since when is 52/102 most? 52 at bats as a padre 50 at bats as a cub. This season he’ll be 53+ as a cub, 52 as a padre.
Should work on your math and reading before your next post ryan.
Math&Baseball
The whole argument was hoyer would of righted the ship had he stayed.
In retrospect no he wouldnt have. He gave away gonzalez, sucked with the 2010 draft, and had some questionable acquisitions ala jason bartlett.
Rizzo would have helped win more games, maybe 1 or 2 but he wouldnt have posted the same WAR as a padre as he has with the cubs. He would of been a .250-.260 hitter with lots of doubles instead pf HRs due to the cold air in san diego knocking down a lot of his balls. Which you clearly did not take into the account the atmospheric conditions.
davidcoonce74
The Padres have drafted terribly forever. Like, seriously, look it up. Between 2000 and 2010 the best player they’ve drafted in the first round has been – wait for it – Khalil Greene. You know why? because they’re cheap, and they always have been in the draft. It’s not a single GM – they’ve all done a terrible job. Here’s the Padres first-round picks since 2000:
Mark Phillips, Jake Gautreau, Greene, Stauffer (injured when drafted so the Pads got him cheap), Matt Bush, Cesar Carillo, Cesar Ramos, Matt Antonelli, Kyler Burke, Nick Schmidt, Kellen Kulbacki, Drew Cumberland, Mitch Canham, Cory Luebke, Danny Payne, Allan Dykstra, Jaff Decker, Logan Forsythe, Donovan Tate, Karsten Whitson, Cory Spangenberg, Joe Ross, Brett Austin – the next five players have all been traded away (Fried, Jace, Eflin.)
The two best players drafted in this period are Ross and Forsythe, who are pplaying for other teams. The vast majority of these players are out of baseball, and almost none of them made the majors.
This is a putrid track record of cheapness, signability and just plain bad scouting. So forgive me if I seem pessimistic that, all of a sudden, San Diego is about to turn the corner on drafting useful players.
And lets not even get into the International signings – still waiting around for Adys Portillo, anyone?
bigjonliljon
Well said!!!
roadapple
Baseball America doesn’t rate their farm system very highly.
Math&Baseball
That will change after the draft and international signing period. 6 picks in 3 1st rounds and expected to be highly active. They could be top 10 if not top 5 after everything is finished.
YourDaddy
The Padres had 5-6 picks in 1st 86 picks in 2011, 2012 and 2013 then Preller traded away all but 3 of those guys.
Math&Baseball
No he didnt.
1. 2013 they did not have 6 picks in the 1st 3 rounds. sandiego.padres.mlb.com/team/draft.jsp?c_id=sd…
1st, renfoe, 2nd, peterson, cbb, paroubeck, 3rd, verbitsky. 2/4 he traded in peterson paroubeck.
2. 2012: fried, eflin, jankowski, weickel, baltz, phillips, perez. He traded 2/7 in fried, tjs, and eflin. Who did he trade weickel baltz phillips perez to? Links?
3. 2011: spangenberg, ross, kelly, austin, peterson, hedges andriese. He traded 2/6, andriese was traded before him. Who did he trade kelly and austin to? Links?
YourDaddy
27th? I know it’s bad. Without Margot and Guerra it would be pitiful.
Monkey’s Uncle
Some pretty strong words. And also some pretty accurate ones.
jd396
I’ll have to listen to the whole thing. It sure sounds like he’s about to pop a membrane and go all Loria on us.
chesteraarthur
Tyson Ross still hasn’t picked up a ball, has he?
Steve Adams
He played catch today for the first time since his injury. Will have a note on the site about it tonight.
willreily
Well… The owner has a big part in how the team looks. It’s not like he acquired a bunch of young proven players. He should only blame himself and the front office. There is only so much physically possible from MLBers. Maybe if they didn’t gut the farm acquiring Matt Kemp, Justin Upton, Craig Kimbrell and Wil Myers, they’d have a better core, or selection to trade from.
Cam
So yeah, Rockstar GM.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
The Rockstar GM had to go to rehab.
One Fan
Fowler is a moron and he is the problem. He picked AJ at last minute and if Fowler thinks their farm is better right now then last year? He needs to move on then. Moron
RyanR
Who is this guy Jerry Jones
SixFlagsMagicPadres
A wannabe George Steinbrenner.
davidcoonce74
I suppose the issue is really wheteher AJ Preller’s disastrous “rockstar” offseason last year was his doing or it was an order from above him – from Fowler, Dee, etc. Because none of those moves made sense. Gutting the team’s already-thin farm system for a bunch of right-handed hitters without any defensive value didn’t make any sense. The Padres lost more games in 2015 than they did in 2014.
Upton was decent but underwhelming, especially defensively. The Padres got a comp pick for him but that guy will have to be better than Mallex Smith, and this is a thin draft.
Myers can’t stay healthy, and Joe Ross is a tremendous pitcher already, Trea Turner is going to be a star, so the Padres lost that one quite badly.
Middlebrooks was a joke acquisition, Shields was a pitcher already in decline, and Kimbrel…well, one year of a good closer on a losing team isn’t quite worth a league-average starter with many years of team control, let alone Cam Maybin, who put together a good season in Atlanta – certainly more useful than Matt Kemp or Myers did in 2015.
Matt Kemp is the elephant in the room, an albatross I still can’t believe this team is on the hook for 75 million dollars more. While Grandal has been injury-prone, Kemp has been absolutely a disaster. It’s June 2nd as I write this, and Matt Kemp has drawn two walks this season. Two.
Kemp was barely replacement level and is much worse than that this year; he may be the worst starting outfielder in the league. Anybody watch Kemp run this year? He runs like a man with a hernia pushing a wheebarrow full of cement up a steep hill.
If all this was Preller’s decision-making at work, if he persuaded his bosses to make this happen, then he should be politely shown the door after the draft is over. Yes, he’s the Padres 5th GM in a decade, but that would indicate extraordinarily poor process.
Math&Baseball
The only two preller regrets trading are ross and turner.
eastvillagetimes.com/2016/04/padres-news-the-a-j-p…
Kemp for Grandal- grandals injury and ped history wasnt what sd needed. Kemp may not be good overall but he’s healthy and still posting solid HR RBI numbers.
Norris for Hahn. Hahns arm issues are plaguing him. Norris is having a down year but Hahns having so many issues over in oakland.
He traded ryan hanigan for will middlebrooks. Not a loss either way.
Brandon Maurer for Seth Smith. Maurer is cheaper and controlled longer.
Upton became a 1st round pick while fried still had tjs, peterson regressed, and smith looks ok at the mlb level.
Kimbrel (who became margot, allen, guerra, asjuae) upton jr for wisler(4.5 xfip both years), maybin whos back on the dl with detroit, and quentin. Right now melvin over maybin whos played in 15 games all year. And the trade expands as upton jr recouped value, if they trade him.
He also turned pomeranz jay bethancourt into good assets from alonso gyorko and kelly. Jay will have value at the deadline and pomeranz has high value.
Yeah, show the guy the door despite making some wise trades. Only one that hurts is turner and ross. But sd can find pitching and giron rondon guerrera match turners production its not as bad.
davidcoonce74
Yeah, Norris is a beast. The worst batting line in baseball. Maurer is awful. Smith is useful. Preller also handed Josh Johnson 11 million dollars to…do…something? Oh yeah, Brandon Morrow is still around too, doing…something?
Jon Jay is a centerfielder with no power, no speed, no defense and meh. He’s probably the most meh player in baseball.
I do love to read defense of Kemp because RBIs. He’s terrible. Watch him play. He’s toast. And also, this team has only gotten worse under the rockstar GM – lost three more games in 2015 and on pace to lose close to 100 this year, with no real plan in sight.
“sd can find pitching,” you wrote. Really? I’d much rather have Ross and Wisler than colin Rea and Cesar Vargas. Much rather have Turner than Alexei useless Ramirez. Much rather have Grandal than Norris. Much rather have Smith or Maybin than Jay. Much rather have Seth Smith than Matt Kemp, the worst player in baseball.
And also, Maybin makes what, about one-fifth of Melvin Upton’s salary?
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Kemp’s trade value was so far negative when the Padres traded for him. The Dodgers were desperate to get rid of him. It’s a miracle they got ANYTHING for him, let alone a catcher who made the All Star game for them that year and a solid pitching prospect in Zach Eflin. Just getting Kemp off the books make the Dodgers clear winners in that trade.
Justin Upton is a good player but was in a contract year and the Padres weren’t contending which means he had no value to them. The only value we got out of that trade was the comp pick. I think I would rather have all four of Fried, Smith and Peterson x 2 than that draft pick.
The first Kimbrel trade was bad but the second Kimbrel trade was good. Most seem to agree that the net result of the two trades is a positive. That all being said, Preller didn’t know the second trade was gonna happen when he made the first trade.
davidcoonce74
And Jon Jay and Jedd Gyorko have the same WAR this season, btw.
mctigers
Typical response by ownership, whether in baseball in anywhere else. “It’s definitely not management’s fault, because I picked them myself so they are all geniuses. It MUST be that the players/workers are bunch of under-performers that aren’t working hard enough and should be ashamed of themselves.”
Niekro
Pitching at the MLB level has seemed to have gone way down since Bud Black was fired, they never gave him an offense that could win games, now they have no pitching either.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
None of what he says surprises me. These are all things that many Padres fans have known for a while. This is not a good team, and last year’s shenanigans have only created a bigger mess on top of what was already a significant dumpster fire.
The only real hope now is that Preller has a good draft next week and finds a way to start rebuilding the farm. He also needs to be able to trade off some of the assets that have value by the deadline or during this offseason. This means guys like Pomeranz, Upton Jr., the already mentioned Shields (if they can find a buyer), etc.
The main two big knocks I have against Preller are the Wil Myers trade and not trading Tyson Ross this past offseason. Yet he might still have a chance to make things right. We’ll have to see.