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Gogerty
What are the Reds looking for in a trade with Phillips? Are they rumored to eating cost for prospects or just hoping to get out from under his contract? I know Phillips wants an extension, makes me wonder if a short stint in Atlanta would entice him, since he did go to HS in Georgia.
I know this is not probably ideal, but Phillips lessens pressure of Albies coming up too quickly.
Just curious on what Reds expect.
bravesfan1234
Don’t need him at all. That would be pretty dumb. We could put a ham sandwich at 2b for all I care and save money. Besides I’d rather sign Prado. He’ll be cheaper and can still hit.
bravesfan 7
Boo, boo Gogerty boo
Gogerty
Didn’t say wanted to trade Teheran for Phillips guys, relax. Was curious about Reds’ desire and expectations. I agree he is not “needed” nor wanted. But neither were Swish and Bourn. Reds have a couple nice young pieces missing in Atlanta, just throwing out a concept.
baseball10
Cant think of anyone I would less like to see the Braves get. Ok i lied, Melvin and Melky top the list.
southi
Gogerty, I don’t really think Phillips is a good fit in Atlanta now. I’d like to see the Braves hold on to Peterson for now though (decent filler who should easily transition into a utility role when someone steps up (Albies) to take the job from him.
Gogerty
I agree sir, wasn’t trying to say he was needed or best fit. Just makes me think of the Bourn/Swish/CJ trade. No we did not need either one of them, but it worked in FO eyes to eliminate some monies out of 2017 owed to CJ. Taking on Phillips while getting say Tucker Barnhart, Winker, or Stephenson. Not saying just one of all three. But there are helpful options.
southi
I do like Barnhart, but with Mesoraco’s health issues I don’t see the Reds giving him up. Also I’m not sure that Phillips would even waive his no trade rights for anyone either.
I do see that Cincy would most likely want to get rid of Phillips’ albatross of a contract.
Gogerty
Well just a simple thought thrown out. I think Barnhart could team with Flowers next year, Phillips could bridge Albies a bit longer, and we wouldn’t have to give up a lot in the process due to Phillips’ contract. Small chance he might waive to be in a new park and build a little value and be on a contender at next deadline.
redsfanman
Regarding Phillips, he’s still given no sign that he’s willing to waive his no-trade clause. Maybe he might change his mind at the last minute for a playoff run, but I doubt he’s anxious to join the Braves while they’re one of the few teams doing worse than the Reds.
Phillips currently has a broken bone in his hand that he’s playing through, for reasons that no Reds fans understand. I hoped it’s a matter of trying to keep his appeal up as the trade deadline approached – if moving him isn’t an option he should be on the DL.
What would the Reds look for in a trade? I think the top priority would be moving him and his contract. He’s currently blocking Jose Peraza at one of the (3+) positions Peraza plays, and Peraza would likely be a more valuable guy to have in the lineup. The Reds need to play Peraza to see what they have in him, but Phillips is just in the way. At this point releasing Phillips and eating his whole contract looks like an option down the road. He’s also a guy who should clear waivers after the trade deadline.
I think during the offseason (after something of a comeback 2015 season) they were looking more to trade Phillips for prospects (but he vetoed two such deals), while this season he’s struggled so much that merely getting rid of him would now be the top priority – removing him from the lineup and roster, and saving as much cash as they can in the process.
The Reds won’t be trading top prospects like Winker or Stephenson (Robert or Tyler) to aid in a move, nor will they trade their starting catcher, Barnhart. I’m sure they’d like to move his contract, but I am certain they will NOT trade significant prospects to do it.
Gogerty
Good points redsfanman, appreciate the background from a Reds fan perspective. Didn’t know if Barnhart or a top prospect was worth getting rid of his contract. But home fans have a better feel for their front office for sure.
redsfanman
With Mesoraco being out for the year – for the second year in a row – Barnhart is again the default starting catcher. Third-string-catcher-turned-backup Ramon Cabrera has done fine, but beyond them the Reds don’t have any decent/respectable options.
The Reds have drafted catchers high each of the past two years – high schooler Tyler Stephenson last year, college catchers Chris Okey (2nd round) and Cassidy Brown (12th round, done well so far in his debut) this year. They now have some catching depth in the VERY low minors – A ball and below… but they need someone to catch until those guys are ready, and Tucker Barnhart looks like basically the only candidate.
In summary, Barnhart is currently more valuable to the Reds as a guy who can, you know… catch… than he is as trade bait. Even if Mesoraco takes the starting catcher job back next spring it won’t make Barnhart expendable, as nobody trusts Mesoraco to stay healthy.
Gogerty
Don’t know if my comment is delayed, so will not 100% repeat. But thank you for your perspective, that is what I was going for.
Zclee
I bet the Royals will get Dozier or DJ
Zclee
Maybe the Giants and put him at 3rd
Ekostuke
Ya
baseball10
I believe Kolten Wong should be on the list. He’s fallen out of favor in STL. Now I dont think he will move for prospects but if the Cards make a bigger deal I think they would be very open to moving him for a piece they want
Steve Adams
I initially had Wong on the list, but the injury to Peralta gave me pause. Additionally, he’s cheap and has enough remaining control that they can keep him around and try him as a super-utility guy that can play some outfield and potentially move around the infield a bit.
Plus, the general idea behind the “Trade Market” series is to look at players that a contending club may acquire to play a specific position or deepen their bench. Wong could a contender’s target, but his down season lessens that possibility.
That said, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest that the Cardinals would flip Wong to try to fill a need elsewhere.
Niekro
I think the Braves hold on to Jace hes gone through some severe ups and downs already and looks like he can have a floor as a good utility player. I see a lot of DeRosa in him and that is a compliment. He has the right make up and mentality to last in the league even with less talent than others. I’d like to see him get more specialized work on the art of stealing bases though so his potential value as a bench player increases. If he keeps grinding he will be a fan favorite in no time no matter if hes starting or playing all over.
bravesfan1234
The front office loves him because he has a good attitude and work ethic. I doubt he’ll be moved.
Gogerty
I like him too, think he is a good hard nosed player. I like your DeRosa comparison. I know I mentioned Phillips above out of curiosity, but would like to see Jace develop while Albies is seasoning.
bravesred 2
I think he has some of Jeff Blauser in him. Somewhat the same numbers in both of their first 3 years.
Gogerty
Wo very good 2B comparisons made in this thread with regards to Peterson.
FrozenRopes
Steve, I noticed no mention of two of the Blue Jays 2B in Goins and Barney. Both are gold glove caliber and Barney has hit the ball real well this year. With the Jay’s in need of pitching help could either of those guys return a minor league pitching prospect or solid bullpen arm?
Teheran keeps popping up in T.O, maybe they move Travis for Teheran or a package of sorts.
southt1978
Cesar Hernandez name should be listed somewhere here. IMO he’s a fringe starting 2b who could net the Phils something useful in a trade and they seem pretty sure he isn’t a long term piece of their future.
HarveyD82
Buccos trade j hey. they have Hansen and moroff in minors. he’s reached his ceiling. 280 hitter with some 10 or so homers. friendly contract won’t scare anyone away
geejohnny
Not possible. You obviously aren’t a Bucs fan because then you’d know how much heart and passion he gives the team. There are no substitutes in the minors including Hansen.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I think Nunez would be a good fit for the Pirates with Kang’s status up in the air.
ExileInLA 2
The Mets would put Walker on the market, for a usable RH bat who can play 1B/RF.
GoRav114
I wonder if the Os would trade Schoop if it meant getting Jose Fernandez or Chris Sale.