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Michael Macaulay-Birks
RIP…..can’t even fathom what the Marlins and their fans are going through…
jbaker3170
Really?? RIP to someone who was stupid enough to throw his life away, just so he could go on a late night boating excursion with his buds?? Guess you somehow missed the part of him being drunk and having cocaine in his system. Can feel bad for his family and friends, but for Jose?? No thanks
mike156
People make mistakes–often stupid ones. He made a mistake, and paid with his life for it. During that life, he apparently donated substantial time and money to various charities and his community, and he was clearly considered a good teammate and well thought-of by other ML players. I don’t see any purpose to spitting on his grave.
vtadave
Wow. Show a little compassion.
BoldyMinnesota
Ya rip to that guy. He was a pillar in that community. How could you possibly be so inconsiderate?
Michael Macaulay-Birks
I wish I had the time to list the risky mistakes I made when I was 25 years old…..you’re entitled to your opinion, by the same token I’m entitled to mine, so troll someone else
jbkelly33
So, Jose did some coke, drank a few beers and deserves to die?
Jeff Todd
I’d remove this disgusting comment, but will leave it up since so many have rightly jumped in to explain why it’s foolish. Doubt I’m alone in wondering how many of my own stupid, youthful decisions could’ve turned out badly. I won’t condone the use of illegal drugs, and certainly would condemn any decision to operate a vehicle of any kind while under the influence (though I’ve yet to see any suggestion whether he was at the helm), but it’s a tragedy regardless.
Michael Macaulay-Birks
Thanks for chiming in Jeff, and also for leaving it up…..as a recovering alcoholic and addict of 15 years, his comments offended me at first, until I realize that everyone is entitled to their own opinion no matter how vile they be
randomness lez
What does it matter to you how he died?
Was he a friend or family member of yours, or are you just a jock sniffer with a personality disorder?
Michael Macaulay-Birks
He’s likely someone who is been affected by addiction in the past, probably someone close to him, a parent, sibling or close friend…..
jd396
Or he’s just a douchebag, who hasn’t been affected by addiction in some way or another?
Michael Macaulay-Birks
That’s definitely possible
Mickey627
Pretty harsh
jroberto
Shut up
bigjonliljon
Even without Fernandez, I see the fish as a WC team. They need at least one more starter though to replace him. But all the talk of making him a savior is now gone with the results of the blood tests showing booze and coke. Makes him easier to replace to the fan base
armsiderun14
How does that make it easier to replace him to the fan base? The guy was the face of the franchise and a pillar in the Miami community. There is no excuse for doing illegal drugs and operating a vehicle under the influence, but one bad action does not negate all of the good he did for the franchise and the city. It also doesn’t make him a bad person.
Jose was an amazing pitcher and a truly fun guy. Just because he “partied,” does not make him a bad person. A ton of athletes (and the general population) do that. However, not many athletes serve their community as well as Jose did. Don’t let a toxicology report completely ruin what he accomplished in his way too short of time in this world.
jroberto
I think even with Jose the Marlins still needed another SP
jakebeard15
The Marlins and Rays could match up very nicely here. The Rays have potentially 8 guys that could be tabbed as MLB starting quality (Archer, Odorizzi, Cobb(still 5-10 starts out from returning to form), Snell, Andriese and the trio of prospects in Faria, Schultz, and Honeywell. You could even throw Chase Whitley in that conversation.
BUT the Marlins could most likely get Odorizzi or Smyly for Ozuna and a couple of prospects, which is reasonable for both sides. The Marlins have a solid foundation of players to build upon (Bless his soul JF16). Adding a proven Major League starter would improve their club.
For the Rays, they add an impact bat that they always seem to be needing and it leaves them with an Outfield of KK, Ozuna, and Souza.
Potentially, if the Marlins wanted Archer- you know the Rays would want Yelich
seamaholic 2
Rays actually were 9th in baseball in park adjusted offense (wRC+) last year. They of course wouldn’t mind getting a guy like Ozuna, but they wouldn’t play him in CF, which is a lot of his value. So can’t imagine them cashing in one of their major league ready arms for an arb eligible guy like him. If they make that kind of trade, it would be for a younger corner OF, someone like Yelich. And they’ll have 20 teams bidding.
elgmac
I wouldn’t mind seeing Odorizzi with the Marlins, Maybe Ozuna + Luis Castillo trade
stymeedone
I’m wondering if Anibal Sanchez might be a buy low target for them. I’m sure the Tigers would pick up some contract, and probably not be asking for much. He was quite good just two years ago.
tuner49
I was thinking the same thing about Sanchez. Detroit wants to lower payroll and moving Sanchez would help. The problem is they have little in the way of backup SP. Pelfrey and Greene will be BP/spot start options, but only guys like Farmer, Turley ,Saupold, etc. are in the system as possible injury replacements. The rest need at least another year of seasoning.
Erik Trenouth
I think they still have depth. They have Verlander, Zimmermann, Fulmer, Norris and Boyd as Major League caliber starters going into the season, so having Pelfrey, Greene and Farmer as 6th, 7th and 8th is better depth than most teams.
Erik Trenouth
How about Ozuna for JA Happ. Would allow Dietrich to get a lot of starts against righties, and gives the rotation a solid starter, It would allow the Jays to move Osuna or Biagini into the rotation, and help fill their empty outfield.
BoldyMinnesota
I’d do that as a jay fan but I doubt Miami would. And I think stretching biagini or osuna out would be foolish. It would make are depleted bullpen even worse, and I’m guessing both would be in AAA for most of the year next year if we did. I’m pretty sure osuna has stated that he’d rather be the closer anyways too
Erik Trenouth
Why would they need to be in AAA? They can transition to the rotation in the Majors. There will be growing pains here and there, but they’ve shown the ability to get Major Leaguers out, albeit in short stints. There isn’t much to be gained in their development by having them starting in AAA.
There is a lot more value to be gained by a pitcher in the rotation than in the bullpen, both in terms of value added to the team and value added to the bank account. Osuna is happy in the bullpen because he knows he is on the Major League roster and can contribute to the success of the team. If he goes to the rotation, especially right now where he’d be behind 5 guys on the depth chart, there’s a good chance that he goes to AAA. But if Happ is moved, there is no threat of him going to AAA, so why wouldn’t he be happy about probably making more money, while still being pretty much guaranteed a Major League job.
Bullpens are for failed starters. Osuna hasn’t even come close failing as a starter. Biagini I could see the argument for saying his stuff isn’t good enough for the rotation, and his track record in the Minors as a starter isn’t encouraging. But Osuna should be starting, and the Jays can find other guys to take over in the bullpen. Osuna in the rotation is better for the long term viability of the club, because after 2017, the rotation gets thin with the departure of Estrada and Liriano.
Michael Macaulay-Birks
Right, like Andrew Miller and Daniel Bard
Doc Halladay
Does the value really add up though for the Jays? Happ has statistically been one of the top starters in MLB since Aug 1 2015. He’s also owed just $26 million over 2 years which has proven to be a big bargain. I do expect regression but he’ll likely still be better than most FA options this winter.
On the flip side, Ozuna is an average hitter(career 103 wRC) whose value lies in his defensive abilities in RF. And though he’s posted some gaudy defensive numbers in RF, he’s played less than 550 career innings there. I’d likely pull the trigger(as long as we had a replacement SP lined up), I’m just not as a sold as you.
Erik Trenouth
Value for 2017 is probably slightly lost, due to Osuna not being able to get a full year at starting. But Ozuna has one more year of control than Happ, and getting Osuna ready to be a 33 start starter in 2018-2020 makes the long term likely a lot more valuable with this trade.
Wainofan
What about wacha, Garcia, Wong and a young pitching prospect for Dee Gordon and Osuna?
seamaholic 2
OK lessee. Two injury riddled starting pitchers, one of whom is expensive and the other below replacement last year, for a 2.5 WAR centerfielder with three years of control, and the right to downgrade (severely) from Gordon to Wong.
That “young pitching prospect” better be awful good!
mpwr2
Garcia + $8 million cash, Tyler Lyons, Mike Mayers, & Tommy Pham for Ozuna.
Marlins can flip Garcia for a prospect or two, keep the cash and have 2 starting pitchers + a replacement outfielder..
Cardinals get a CF/LF, Cardinals are essentially payroll neutral from last year.
Wainofan
I think the cardinals are gonna aim higher than Ozuna for CF. but with Dee Gordon, I can see a trade. What is s realistic package for Ozuna and Gordon? Wong, bader, weaver, Garcia 8 mil?
thunder12k
I actually think the Mets and Marlins could match up here but I doubt they would trade with each other
brandons-3
I’ve read things where Loria and the Miami organization is going set up some sort of fund for Jose’s daughter. I may be off with that, but I’m pretty sure I read that something of that sort will happen. One of the hardest things to lament is the reality of losing Jose the ballplayer. Like this article said, you lose one of the best pitchers in baseball. You lose that trade chip if they ever needed to get a ransom for him. Jose’s family loses that contract that sets them up for generations. Not saying that in a negative way, but coming from Cuba to signing what surely would’ve been a 200 million plus if he sought Max value clearly would’ve allowed him to take care of his daughter and loved ones. I do lose some sympathy towards Jose in light of recent reports of things in his system, but it just makes the Grief more impactful for his family.
hoyce
Hopefully w all the earning potential that Fernandez had, that he had a fat life insurance policy for his family. Most at 25 don’t think about their own death tho.
Michael Macaulay-Birks
Scott Boras is famous for teaching guys like Jose what they need to financial matters… between the charitable money for his daughter, and his life insurance she should be able to attend good schools and have a real future, but not the 200 million he likely would’ve signed for had he survived, I hope his family is OK
vinscully16
Stanton needs to stay healthy and play 150 games. Would love to watch a healthy Stanton hit 50+ bombs. But, I genuinely question his ability to stay on the field. Work on your flexibility, GS, take a yoga class (or two).
jd396
Yeah, he’s still young but he’s starting to establish a pattern of fragility that’s a little worrisome.
apotts
Needs to spend the offseason training with Ichiro
jd396
You can just smell what could happen with this team if they can get a pitching staff to go along with the talent they have in that lineup. There’s flaws, to be sure, but they just give me the feeling that if they had a bit more of a pitching staff, not a lot would have to go right for the Marlins to become a very tough team to beat.
ccater40
Samarzija and 25 million dollars and a low level prospect for Yelich. Marlins get to add the controllable starting pitcher they want without adding much payroll. I know they want to keep Yelich and would rather deal Ozuna but if I’m the giants I’m sticking with that price point. Who says no? I’d love to hear what people think?
mannydahman
They should just sign my brother…..
FLMarlins4LiFE
Trade away headache ramos, give barraclough a shot at closing. Upgrade the rotation by trading away ozuna and hechavaria and they should be set…
Another option is to blow up the team and ship away Stanton after the all star game next year and go for it by 2018-2019..try to get what you can from Stanton while you can.. and please please please trade away ramos..did I already request that?