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alexgordonbeckham
The outfield defense for the Rays will possibly be (from LF to RF): Smith, Kiermaier and Rasmus? Or will Smith start in the minors first so they can get playing time for both Dickerson and Souza to potentially trade mid-season?
TheMichigan
I see Smith in triple AAA
With Souza in RF
Kiermaier in CF
Rasmus in LF
Dickerson at DH
alexgordonbeckham
And then you have Longoria at 3B, Miller at SS, Forsythe at 2B and then who at first? Maybe a late signing of someone like Lind? You can be in a lot worse shape than a lot of other teams.
baronbeard
Miller is our first baseman since acquired Duffy who took over at SS with Franklin. Wouldn’t mind a guy like Lind to platoon with though!
alexgordonbeckham
Oh okay. Thanks! That doesn’t look like a terrible team by any means.
ronnsnow
TB already has too many LH hitters. Signing Lind would not be a good move. Now someone like Chris Carter or Mark Reynolds would be a better move.
alexgordonbeckham
Yeah one of those guys to platoon at first would be ideal. Who’s slated to be the DH? Or is that just a rotating position at this point.
Dock_Elvis
Miller needs a platoon partner for sure….his splits last season startled me.
therealryan
The Rays team, while not exciting, should be much, much better than last season. Once Ramos returns, it’s very possible for them to have an average to above average hitter at every position of the line up and average to above average defenders at most positions too. Couple that with a rotation that includes, Archer, Odorizzi, Snell and Cobb and this team could be a playoff contender with a few good breaks.
TheMichigan
Dickerson is their primary DH with someone like maybe Mikie Mathook backing him in the OF and at DH
bosox90
I agree! A year ago everyone had Baltimore penciled in for fifth place, and every time someone brought up the fact that they should legitimately compete they were mocked. I think the Rays are sneaky good this year if the rotation stays healthy. Going to be an exciting 5-team race to the finish this year!
tbraysforlife
Ive given up on mahtook
Rays have a good wildcard chance though
Idk if we can surpass boston
But who knows we r the underdogs
acm14
I expect them to keep him in the minors a few weeks to gain an extra year of control. After that, LF seems most likely
whereslou
After watching Lind all last season I wouldn’t wish him on many teams maybe the Yankees or Red Sox. The guy was straight up awful. I couldn’t understand why we kept him all year long. I would have rather watched a rookie go up watch 2 balls go down the center of the plate then swing at something in the dirt and walk back to the dugout with a look if confusion on his face. Writing this it brings back vivid memories. Just awful.
E munchy
Interest interest interest the Orioles have more interest than a pay day loan. If there’s a player you want just go get him! Same ol ish every off season.
mstrchef13
To quote the GM of the next-door Ravens, “right player, right price”. Most of the time, the right player at the wrong price is the wrong player. Trumbo at 3/50 is most certainly the wrong price and, therefore, the wrong player. I’m not a big Pagan fan, but he certainly fits the O’s need: an everyday RF with reasonable on base skill that would allow Seth Smith to DH in a platoon with Mancini. As long as he’s willing to sign a reasonable contract, of course.
Jeff Jones
Kiermaier would be a great fir in Wrigley.
chesteraarthur
Not really. Chicago’s of is one of the smaller/less demanding cfs, would probably be a waste of his skill.
jd396
“Woah, no way – I’m not picking up a guy with those defensive skills. We need someone worse so our skill utilization ratio is higher”
chesteraarthur
You’re wasting value by playing him in a less demanding outfield, however you’re still going to have to pay the price that any other team would to acquire him from the rays. Those teams are getting more of a benefit out of acquiring him due to more difficult cfs. Thus, he is not really a great fit for the cubs.
I know rational thought process is tough for some, but give it a shot and maybe you’ll understand why he’s not really a great fit for Wrigley.
Kayrall
While I typically agree with you on most Cubs points you make, chester, I disagree that he’s a bad fit for Wrigley. A good defender plays good defense. That good defense may be more valuable to other teams, but in no way is wasted or negative.
I do, though, agree that he would have more of an impact to teams with bigger outfields and therefore have higher value in a trade for an interested team bidding against the Cubs. So I CAN see that.
Priggs89
Chester is 100% correct. He never said that KK would be a bad fit for Wrigley. He said it wouldn’t be a great fit and would be wasting his best skill, which is absolutely true. He holds significantly more value for a team with a more difficult/spacious CF.
With a field like Wrigley, you can easily get by with a lesser defender in CF (look at Fowler…). Why would you want to pay a premium for an unnecessary skill set? Obviously you still want solid defense in CF, but you don’t need to pay the extremely high price for THE best guy.
Heck, if defense is your priority out there, why would you not just trot out Almora and see what he can do?
Phillies2017
If Atlanta can get Newcomb, Jamie Garcia, Aviles and Scivique out of a Simmons package, imagine what Tampa could get out of Kiermaier.
I know- Ellis was PART of the Garcia package before someone gets their panties in a bunch- but Ellis was an important piece.
mcdusty31
I could see the Rays moving Kiermaier…his value is super high and in all reality they will need to do some things to compete…heck I’d follow the White Sox lead and move Archer and Longoria while I was at it too and just restock the young pups that will be ready in a few years
chesteraarthur
Braves love the injury concern pitchers.
stangs30
Orioles please let Trumbo walk! Sign Pagan and a cheaper DH type. Need to save money for Tillman, Machado, Schoop extensions in the future. I am not a big supporter in spending heavy at DH and apparently neither is the rest of the AL.
Steve Adams
At this point, a Machado extension doesn’t even seem possible. He’s made enough money to just sit back and test the open market in two years, at which point he’ll sign the largest contract in MLB history if he maintains his current pace.
Even an extension would have to be a record-setting contract for him now. Tough to see Tillman foregoing free agency with one year left, as well, though I’d say that’s quite a bit likelier than Machado.
stangs30
I know that is reality as much as I wish it were not. With so many Orioles contracts expiring within the next two years it is scary to think about what this team could look like in 2019/20. If Tillman, Machado, Jones, Britton and others all walk, the team could spiral downwards fast. I get the feeling that Duquette will hold on to players until the end to try to compete instead of selling off. An aging Chris Davis as the face of your franchise is not good.
Gilman321
Trade them and build farm team. We will get great prospect back for those guys
bosox90
Yeah I’d say they should go for it all in ’17, then have a fire sale as early as July ’17 if they are out of it. They can build a very nice farm system overnight with the trade assets they have.
jimmykey
They couldn’t possibly let Machado walk for nothing as a FA.
Ideally they would extend him but if the $$$ isn’t there they might as well trade him. Would get a sack of Diamonds for a player that like Manny.
reflect
It’s funny that everyone is chasing Trumbo and no one cares about Alvarez even though Alvarez is actually slightly better against righties, and both players are identical as far as defensive (non) ability, age, and overall numbers.
Steve Adams
Trumbo can probably play at least a passable first base and is good enough against righties and lefties to handle an everyday role. I’m admittedly not very high on him and think his reported $70MM asking price earlier this season was preposterous, but there’s a pretty sizable gap between Trumbo and Alvarez in my mind.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Mark Trumbo is Mike Trout compared to Pedro. Pedro is useless unless you need some raw power.
vtadave
Staggering to think what Harper and Machado can get in two years. Let’s say both stay healthy and win an MVP each. Probably looking at close to 13/450 each.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
I would not even give those two 450 bucks a piece
I am serious, the league would survive without either, however try telling them that or the Kool Aid drinkers that support them.
#Serious
davbee
You don’t run a major league team, do you? That’s all anyone needs to know.
Sorry you’re so bitter about player salaries. They, unlike you, have a marketable skill that is worth significant money on the open market.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Neither will ever live up to a contract like that and the TV deals that enable the Owners contacts like that are insane.
At least that is how I feel about it, not bitter I just have never ever seen anyone live up to a ‘big’ contract.
davbee
What the heck doe “live up to” even mean? Face it, you’re bitter about player salaries. Are you one of those people that believe that salaries are tied to ticket prices? They’re not. Ticket prices are determined by what the owner’s think the public will pay. And even with the player salaries that are being paid, owners are making money hand over fist. I’m not sure what your problem is.
mcdusty31
Live up to:
Fulfil (expectations):
‘the baseball player more than lived up to the terms of his contract’
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
SMH!
davbee
And again, what constitutes living up to the terms of their contract? Mike Trout played for a few hundred thousand early on and put up MVP numbers. Did the Angels compensate him in his first few seasons in value to his performance? It’s the way the system is set up. Players are underpaid early and owners make up that in free agency. It’s not as simple as playing to a contract.
davidcoonce74
They aren’t really being paid for what they will do, rather what they have done. It’s not your money.
RunDMC
This is coming from an O’s fan — not giving Machado $450??? I was sorry that your farm system consistently misfired, but now it makes more sense. You find one of the best players in the game, who will warrant being paid like it, and you won’t want to pay him like it? If that’s the mindset of the FO, why not trade him with some time left and restock the farm system of more guys that won’t develop and you can trade to become Cy Young winners somewhere else??
Maybe one of them develops into one of the best closers in the game with serious Cy Young consideration, then you can trade him away after he wants to be paid at the level of his value.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Machado’s attitude Sux!
He is not to be confused with Brooks Robinson
mcdusty31
You’re on your own here lefty I agree that most of these monster contracts don’t work out but saying that you don’t want your team to resign arguably one of the best players in the game is absurd
RunDMC
Sure, it’d be nice if he were Brooks Robinson, but why are you comparing the two? So what if they’ve played for the same team at the same position?? So you’re not going to pay your current 3B that can also play SS well because he’s not the carbon copy of a player that hasn’t played in 44 years? My Braves did that to a young Jason Heyward, positioning him to be our next Henry Aaron — and look how that turned out. (P.S. – We traded him after he wouldn’t sign an extension for what eventually became 1 AS year of Shelby Miller, Dansby Swanson, Ender Inciarte & more).
Priggs89
You’re right, he’s not to be confused with Brooks Robinson. He’s a significantly more talented hitter than that.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
The Orioles should just sign Franklin Gutiérrez to fill out the OF and call it an off-season
Trumbo and Wieters can go to Colorado or wherever.
Zero interest in Pedro Alvarez.
He was not even used right by the O’s last year and neither was Worley for that matter.
Steve Adams
Alvarez saw 89 percent of his plate appearances against right-handed pitching and spent 95 percent of the time he was in the lineup as a designated hitter.
How would you have preferred to see him used? (Genuinely asking, not trying to be condescending or anything).
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
I felt at times, well a lot of times that he was an extra part that the O’s signed and did not really need.
While he had his moments, I didn’t think he helped that much
That is where I am coming from
Cam
He hit righties well, and as pointed out above, was protected and used optimally. I get that you feel he didn’t help that much – I don’t agree, but it’s your opinion.
However, you said he wasn’t “used right” by the O’s – and when questioned, you still haven’t explained it.
How did the O’s misuse him?
Ilikesox
That is exactly how to use Alvarez
blueurge
Kevin Kiermaier makes me nervous. We heard all he same things about Peter Bourjos.
redsfanman
Gohara has shoulder concerns? Nice.
Dock_Elvis
That’s why the Reds passed on him and the Cozart deal fell apart.
mcdusty31
With where the Reds sit I would say they should’ve taken the risk and traded Cozart for Gohara
Dock_Elvis
Im not sure the details. It could have hung up in other ways or over other prospects…but Cincinnati didnt like the shoulder apparently. Ms got Segura anyway. Im sure I brutally simplified the Gohara situation…but just mentioning that one team atleast has already passed.
RunDMC
Not enough in the medicals to warrant passing up on him. Coppy loves to take advantage of perceived reduced costs at the expense of medical histories. He obtained Max Fried based on that, Manny Banuelos, even took Kolby Allard in the first round at a place no one thought he’d be had he not had injury concerns. Sure, Banuelos hasn’t worked out, but Allard and Fried are both in the top-10 overall prospect list in one of the deepest farm systems in MLB. Both pitched phenomenally in MiLB last year, and honestly, I really think both could be special.
chesteraarthur
Aren’t both of those pitchers a higher risk of future injury though? And a 112/47 k:bb ratio in A ball is phenomenal now?
RunDMC
Fried had a 2.47 ERA after May, which was to be expected when shaking off rust from an extended absence, that also includes giving up only 2 runs in 14.2 IP and having 4 consecutive double-digit strikeout games through the playoffs, carrying his team to the championship.
Sure, that 5.21 ERA through May wasn’t pretty, but his rebound was pretty phenomenal, especially when he was one of the top starters in one of the most dominant rotations a Braves minor league squad has seen. Can’t wait to see Soroka, Touissaint, Allard at the next level.
chesteraarthur
man you braves fans and your arbitrary sample sizes… I’m not sure that looking at era in single A is all that meaningful of a stat with defenses what they are and what I imagine is less than perfect official scoring as well as less than awesome playing fields in some cases. I think K:BB does a better job of really showing what pitchers are capable of at lower levels.
Perhaps you and I have very different definitions of what phenomenal means. I am far more impressed with Allard than Fried, especially considering ARL.
Dock_Elvis
The lighting is brutal on some of the A ball fields. Good gracious…Id get around the Midwest League and wonder how anyone hit anything….nasty batting eyes and backdrops….
pat09
Chris Carter playing 1B/DH for Tampa would be great for them. He would do some serious damage in the AL east
therealryan
I don’t see the Rays having the financial flexibility to add Carter to DH, especially now that they have Rasmus, Dickerson and Souza for COF/DH and Brad Miller at 1B. Maybe if they worked out a trade for Logan Forsythe, they could look to move Miller to 2B and then sign Carter for 1B using some of the saved money.