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Brixton
Getting Castillo is a big deal.
A'sfaninUK
Not really. He’s not a top 150 prospect, and every team has a few prospects like him, live arm types with good low level numbers, and Miami keeps trying to trade him for “reasons”. The fact that he’s #2 in a horrific farm doesn’t mean anything, he probably wont even be in Cincy’s top 20. Still though, why not keep him and just sign Fister or Hammel for not a ton of money? Trading for a worse SP instead of signing a cheapish FA is 20-grade GM’ing.
Kayrall
Lol, I love that last line.
Dock_Elvis
I’d agree…but that takes for granted that a player can BE signed.
dodgerfan711
Cant believe the giants traded him for Casey McGhee. They have got fleeced in deals recently. He will be joining Duvall who SF also let get away
formerlyz
At the time of the trade, Castillo was an older prospect still in the low minor leagues, and he was still raw. He was being used as a reliever. With the Marlins, his velocity increased, and his secondary offerings got better, and they gave him a chance to start. He kind of gained prospect pedigree after that…
plem24
Great sell high. Too bad Walt screwed up so bad with Chapman and Frazier. I very seriously doubt Strailey ever does that again and if he does- losing almost a 100 again is irrelevant when 1-2 of these guys could help for 3-4 years. If management would stop lying to Phillips, move him to open the door for the kids and the good young arms progress- 2018 looks very good to come in 2nd behind Chicago
ksoze
You think the Reds lost on the Frazier deal? Peraza alone makes it a good deal for the Reds. We haven’t had a good SS since Larkin. Cozart has only put a season and a half of a decent bat together and he’s 31 now. Schebler will be our starting RF out of spring, and Peraza will start as soon as they can move a middle infielder.
plem24
Should’ve done better earlier. Peraza might play a passable ss, but don’t confuse how valuable Cozarts glove is. Keep cozart, find a way to appease Phillips to go be a dodger and Peraza at 2b is a very good defensive and offensive situation. I don’t see anyone confusing peraza with a good major league ss and that’s not a position to trade offense for “passable glove”. I hope Schebler can handle it – but he’s the good side of a platoon with somebody like Suarez when sinzel arrives in ’18
sixpacktwo
At some time, hopefully now, we get over the Chapman trade and move on. He was damaged goods at the time of the trade and if the Reds knew it was only 30 days the trade would not have happened.
sabermatrix
I already hate this idea. Ugh.
redsfanman
Hate??? Why? It’s a great deal for the Reds!
baseballjunkie68
Don’t hate it as a Marlins fan. We had to get a starter. This guy has a track record and control even though the reds got him for nothing it makes sense on the Marlins side for me
bradleybaseball19
It would have been far better for Miami to just sign Fister or Hammel and keep the prospects than to aquire a guy playing above his head for three decent prospects that your system will miss
strostro
Ruining the farm system
disgruntledreader 2
Can you ruin something that is already devoid of any value?
A'sfaninUK
Yes, being #2 in Miami is #20 everywhere else. Their farm is utter trash, worse than the Angels even before this dumb trade for a bad SP.
MB923
Is it really worse than the Angels?
Whyamihere
Braxton Garrett is far abs away the best prospect in either system, so probably not.
Steve Adams
Depends where you look. Keith Law just had the Angels 27, Marlins at 29 (D-backs 30th). I’d imagine any ranking will have Miami and Anaheim firmly in the 3-4 worst farms in the game.
Doesn’t change the fact that Castillo is at least a solid prospect, and Brice is an MLB-ready reliever. That alone is a steep price for Straily before considering a lotto ticket like White, in my mind.
Suggesting that Castillo won’t even be in Cincinnati’s Top 20 prospects seems reactionary at best. He’ll slot in somewhere in the 5-12 range on most lists, though the specific numerical rankings tend to be widely overblown and overanalyzed. They’re reference points, not foolproof lists, and the reality is that those rankings change far more frequently than the lists are updated to reflect.
YourDaddy
Castillo now ranks 8th in the Reds system. He is a 50 prospect on the 20-80 scale. Well above average and projects as a regular in the majors.
baseballdeez
There are a lot of prospects that are MLB-ready relievers but that doesn’t mean they’ll be effective. Brice had a 4.38 ERA last year once he was strictly a reliever the final 3 months of the season with half that in AA. I do think he grows into a pretty decent reliever though. White I personally don’t think amounts to anything offensively so maybe a backup OF playing all 3 spots at best and that’s a coin flip. Castillo will be 24 in AA next year. I think he has a MLB arm but he can’t take steps backwards pitching at age level. “at least a solid prospect”? Disagree. I think he’s a solid prospect at best. Agree regarding the prospect rankings though
tylerall5
Their system was already ruined
skrockij89
Good trade for the Reds. Didn’t they get him for next to nothing?
ib6ub9
for nothing. got off waivers
redsfanman
Waiver claim traded for Luis Castillo, the Marlins’ #2 prospect by Baseball America.
sixpacktwo
Look, he had a good year in 2016 and the Marlins needed a starter. . That’s why the Marlins made the trade and he does eat innings.
Dwalt
Yeah the article mentions he was claimed on waivers via SD.
Whyamihere
He never actually played for SD, they acquired him for minor league signee Eric Kratz, and he was DFAd shortly after because he was out of options. he got better in Cincinnati, but he’s not a very good player. #4 at best.
No Soup For Yu!
While the Marlins gave up too much in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with being a #4 or #5 starter. Every team needs guys like Straily to fill out the back end of the rotation. Most teams would have loved to have the kind of production Straily gave the Reds last year.
YourDaddy
#5 at best. Reds just robbed the Marlins for a guy that is a replacement level player. Straily had a 4.88 FIP, 5.02 xFIP and a .235 BABIP last season so he was terrible but lucky. It won’t happen again. Maybe in the big park in Miami he puts up numbers around a 4.50 ERA.
skrockij89
@Dwalt it didn’t state that when I typed my comment. Thanks for the reply though.
jcraft21
I worry about what will be on the field every day into years and I do pitching at this point. I don’t feel like there every day players are loaded in the minors.
jcraft21
In 2 years i meant
donmar2001
He will be pitching for the Lancaster Barnstormers by July, lol
Rob66
Marlins will most likely regret this trade.
cuban1
No they wont, too stupid to regret it. Same team that reportedly chose nicolino over syndergaard in blue jays deal, chose to give up heaney instead of nicolino in gordon trade. then gave up desclafani for latos, who they subsequently traded months later for garbage, their front office sucks and they are too stupid to know it. And lets not forget giving up trevor williams to pirates in return for jim benedict.
Math&Baseball
This is the best critique of a front office I have ever seen!
tim815
Where’s my drum? Oh, there it is.
Whichever team you root for, they ought to try to get better at developing their own pitching.
angelsinthetroutfield
Good move for Reds. Not so much for Miami
A'sfaninUK
Straily had a 4.88 FIP last year, he stinks. Miami needs to fire the FO for this one. Why not just sign Doug Fister or Jason Hammel and give up no prospects? I’d rather even have Vance Worley over Straily.
This is like a poor mans version of the Shelby Miller deal, lol why are the Marlins so dumb???
Priggs89
Maybe a broke man’s Shelby Miller deal. This isn’t even close.
vtadave
This looks like a win for the Reds, but it’s nowhere near as laughably one-sided as the Shelby Miller deal.
Steve Adams
Considering you just dumped all over Luis Castillo some 10 comments above this one, not sure how you can even mention this deal in the same breath as the Shelby Miller heist.
And FIP for extreme fly-ball pitchers is often misleading, as FIP assumes more BABIP regression than most fly-ball pitchers will experience due to the fact that fly-balls in the field of play are easier to turn into outs than grounders and line drives. (Marco Estrada. and Jered Weaver before his K rate plummeted come to mind as relevant examples)
I’m not disputing that the Marlins gave up more than was necessary for Straily, and I vastly prefer the Reds’ end of the deal, but evaluating a trade is never as easy as looking at one statistic through a blanket lens and laughing at one side of the deal.
jdgoat
Straily, brad hand, will Harris, etc. Are reasons why you don’t make the dumb “here comes a World Series” comment that so many people seem to like to make when teams add depth.
Whyamihere
Straily is not as good as those other guys.
jdgoat
True but look at the return he just got
Whyamihere
I mean it’s about fair value for him, so it’s not great.
slasher016
Great deal for the Reds. Hopefully Castilla turns into at least a mid-rotation starter by 2018/2019. Plus two pieces to go with it? No way you can pass on this deal.
chadarrieta
Travis Wood
thor would look better in red
amen.
BigAlice
Yes, please.
brewpackbuckbadg
How does this affect the Brewers and Junior Guerra? Similar players that were acquired for nothing? Does this set the market for what Stearns can expect?
sss847
I doubt it. much like Shelby miller didn’t set the market for cost controlled starters
daveinmp
I don’t think Guerra’s all that comparable., First, Guerra’s numbers were considerably better than Straily’s but only over 125 innings. He’s older too but actually controllable longer than Straily. Guerra emerged because he developed a dominant splitter, one of the best in the game.. If he stays healthy, he could be close to an ace.
Besides the Brewers have 3 other starters in mid-career all capable of a Straily-like season: Nelson, Peralta, and Anderson…..of that group only Peralta has reached his arby years. So they’ll have movable pieces to deal other than Guerra.
brewpackbuckbadg
The comparison is both wavier wire claims, both had no history of quality performance until this year, and both some future cheap control A difference is Straily pitched more last year which gave him more opportunity for mistakes and the league to learn his tendencies. Straily was very good for a while last year. I don’t know how he finished. I guess you might say this is a starting point for Stearns to argue with other GMs. Service time is also a major difference. I know the Brewers could trade other starts (Garza would be preferred and some stupid GM might think he has some value with his cheap option) but I was wondering how much value Guerra has even though I am not sure I want the Brewers to trade him.
Whyamihere
Straily was an average starter in 2013, he just went backwards from there though.
baseballdeez
Guerra is better for sure so that comparison isn’t accurate. None of Nelson, Peralta, Chase put up a better WHIP, ERA, H9, K9, BB9 than Straily (who’s performed pretty decently as a back end rotation arm in 2012/2013/2016)
plem24
Brewers? Who cares- this is about the Reds moving forward
stricke3
Like trade for Reds. Reminds me of DeSclafani for Latos. How did that work for Fish?
crazysull
Your telling me that the Red Sox couldn’t get Castillo black straight up for Bucholtz but the Reds can get him in return for Straily and some more as well.
brewpackbuckbadg
The simple answer is years of service and salary.
Steve Adams
Four years of cheap control over Straily has considerably more value than one expensive year of Buchholz.
baseballjunkie68
Dan is league min that’s why they wanted him. You would of had to eat all of the salary. It always comes down to money for the fish
mark0817
Miami over paid here.
nickyfives
Definitely. Great trade for Cincinnati though… Any time you trade a waiver claim for 3 prospects is a win in my book….
atlbraves2010
76k per 9 is rather impressive…
kiddhoff
Exactly what I was thinking. Then I thought, he’said not a Red Sox prospect, so this must be a typo.
jleve618
Catcher must be letting alot of balls get past him.
Steve Adams
Ha, if that number were accurate, the Marlins would have the steal of the century!
Thanks for that.! Added the decimal point in there now.
rmcoult78
Reds should do more deals with the marlins. How is that latos for desclafani deal going for them?
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Poor Jeff Locke. He thought he’d found a rotation bad enough for him to start.
astros_fan_84
I had disappointed when the Astros dumped him last year, then he turned in a better ERA than anyone else on the staff. Reds won big. Even if those prospects flop, they still got a good year from Straily for nothing.
Whyamihere
he switched up his repertoire a but in Cincinnati (using a 2 seam instead of a 4 seam) and way performed his peripherals. Combine that with the switch to the NL, he’d have probably been peacock level in Houston last year.
Yamsi12
R.I.P. Jose, you are missed now more than ever. 🙁
redbird17
76K/9 is a pretty good strikeout rate.
SueJen
Reds finished with almost 100 losses with Straily. Prospects Teds got will not only strengthen minor league system but major league team. The players Reds got have much more potential then Straily.
wellhitball
I used to chomp my fingernails down to little stubs every time Straily pitched for the A’s. I can’t tell you how many 1st and 4th/5th inning dingers he served up on a silver platter. And that was at the colosseum.
hojostache
Solid deal for the Reds, as they have a number of better options to take Straily’s place. It could work out for both teams, but Straily is much more likely to regress. Cheap and controllable back-end makes sense, but def an overpay.
Yamsi12
Why did Jose have to do white lines!?!?
Hiro
48% fly all rate???
formerlyz
As a Marlins fan, we desperately needed a SP that can pitch somewhere in the 3-5 spots of our rotation, and this gives us that. He even comes with 4 years of contril. That being said, this is the 2nd time the Marlins are being fleeced by the Reds, and the 83651725th time they’re being fleeced in general, in the last few years…I don’t understand why the Marlins weren’t in on Nova or Hammel, and then they wait all this time to make a trade, moving arguably their 2 best depth pieces. Both Brice and Castillo would have contributed at some point this season. I’m curious to see if the Reds give Brice a shot to start. Don’t know what the Marlins have left to trade from at this point, if they want to improve their team during the season with another likely bad trade where they go halfway. At least this hopefully pushes Locke to AAA depth, assuming he accepts the assignment after ST. Great waste of $3 million. I would really like to see them add another depth SP at this point, but I don’t see that happening
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Not sure about Nova, but you figure with Hammel there is something definitely scaring teams off in his medicals.
formerlyz
I think Hammel wants at least 3 years, and nobody wants to give him more than 2
everlastingdave
Hammel isn’t healthy, and most teams believe Nova isn’t good.
formerlyz
Well, nova’s numbers before he got traded to pittsburgh, suggested that he was unlucky, and would turn things around, which is why I was hoping to trade for him before the deadline. Sure enough, he was really good after the trade, and I expect him to continue, maybe not at that level, but still positive
I haven’t seen any suggestions that Hammel isn’t healthy. Teams are just worried about giving him multiple years, at his age and injury history, and the dip in velocity. He’s still an option, and wouldn’t have cost the Marlins their only depth
sixpacktwo
Locke will be in bullpen.
kbarnoski26
Reds won the deal
bosox90
It only appears that way right now, but you can’t determine who actually won a trade until years later. If all the prospects flop and Straily provides serviceable back end starter innings for the next few years in Miami, then didn’t the Marlins win the trade?
BigAlice
If this is indicative of what Dick Williams is going to do as GM, I’m excited.
everlastingdave
I don’t have a huge problem with this. A bad farm system minus three prospects is still a bad farm system, but the ML team might be good enough to make a run now. I’d like to see a bat to pair with Bour and a useful fourth outfielder, but overall I kind of like this team.
Whyamihere
If a bad farm keeps trading their prospects, they’ll continue being a bad farm.
plem24
Nice work Confucius
stratcrowder
Way to go Reds! GOOD SCORE