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Brixton
He likely just paved the way for one of Pat Venditti, Colton Murray or Cesar Ramos onto the 40 man roster
Polish Hammer
Teams should not be permitted to get roster relief with these violators. He should remain on the 40-man roster. Allowing them to put him on a reserve spot didn’t punish these teams for employing cheaters.
Brixton
You act like the Phillies knew he was doping… every single team has had a PED suspension in the last few years… it’s not the teams fault. You punish the player, not the team.
Polish Hammer
If teams don’t get punished there’s not deterrent for them to take chances on these PED users, it is the teams fault and they should all get punished. If the player was an MLBer he would be ineligible for the playoffs, doesn’t that punish the team as well? So why not require them to continue carrying him on the 40 man roster without being able to hide him on a reserve roster and backfill him?
chesteraarthur
What is your rationale for punishing the teams? Ignoring that I’d say losing 80 games of development on a prospect is a punishment for the organization.
Polish Hammer
He’s already occupying a 40 man roster spot and wasn’t going to get called up anyway but now the team gets rewarded and can backfill that somebody else they could use.
Brixton
until his suspension is up and they have to outright someone anyways
Polish Hammer
Yes, him.
FloridaMan1988
Yes they should its a roster spot end of story .
marckahn
I guess you believe that if one kid in a school class misbehaves, the whole class should be punished.
Punishing the whole team only penalizes players that play the game fairly.
Polish Hammer
A PED user that gets caught that is on the 40 man roster is already on that roster over other players. If he doesn’t get caught he’s still on that roster over other players; so why if he gets caught should somebody else get his spot? Teams that signed questionable characters and players that were suspected of being PED users should be punished for signing them, they should not get rewarded by allowing that player to get hidden on a reserve roster and backfilled with somebody else. Some steams might not mind as they can carry several players that much longer and keep them (and their replacements) free from waivers for 1/2 of a season.
nysoxsam
I had to look up Bolderone. it appears this is an intentional PED use as compared to an “innocent” use of an OTC medication without checking. The penalties should be different. Permanent ban with forfeiture/reimbursement of the previous 12 months’ pay. Short term hurt for the players in general (as a minor leaguer, the MPA might not be involved) but a permanent ban threat with the a real financial loss would clean up all sports. Using an illegal drug for performance gain and anticipated financial benefits is fraud. Money earned this way means in most cases, they’re taking money out of a teammate’s pocket. Even at the MLB level where there are no “caps” there are still luxury tax and team budget implications. In order to stop the cheating, the penalties have to be significant enough to get the athlete to think twice. Is it really worth it? I wish it were treated as a criminal offense with jail implications. Fraud is fraud.
Brixton
except there are times when people do accidentally take a PED without their knowledge. Go see Raul Mondesi Jr, he was to the point where they reduced his punishment.
TheMichigan
The thing is, Mondesi tested positive for Clenbuterol, a sympathomimetic amine, used for a variety of breathing conditions ranging from asthma to bronchus. Garica tested postive for Boldenone, a synthetic anabolic-androgenic steroid (an AAS), and It’s never been a prescription drug, unlike Clenbuterol, which has. It’s an anobolic steroid that has been used by the likes of Jenry Mejia and Abraham Almonte on purpose (aka Garcia did it on purpose, not as an accident, you can’t just take Boldenone on accident it is only present in one prescription “Equipoise” as again, an anobolic steroid for muscle growth for those who are unable to/cannot grow muscle.) Not as an “accident” in cold medication like Mondesi. This is basically two different isolated cases with no relation whatsoever. Ones a prescription steroid that happens to be on the MLB banned substances list, the other is a anabolic steroid that needs to be on MLBs banned substances list, due to the possibility for enhanced performance.
TheMichigan
I should also note that the “Boldenone” refrenced in Equipoise, is Boldenone undecylenate, not straight up Boldnone (which is what Garcia tested postive for, if he tested for Boldnone-U it would have showed up.), which is a compound of the steroid and is used for veteriany medicine too (for weak horses mostly) on top of what I said.
nysoxsam
Pretty much my point. Imagine being a teammate, he gets called up instead of you so his bid league clock starts and after hitting it big he signs a huge contract, in part because he got that one opportunity. it then turns out he used a PED. You get the idea. Cheating is cheating and fraud is fraud.
reflect
Didn’t another big Phillies prospect get a PED suspension? Franco or one of them?
Polish Hammer
Singletary was the marijuana guy before they dealt him to Houston and Gillies got busted in a weird drug fiasco.
Polish Hammer
SingletON