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dodgerfan711
Ken Kendrick is a fool and has no clue what he is doing. Dbacks would have done really well in that trade
josc2
To have just bought unbelievably high and then sell low on Miller. At that point (and this still remains the case) he’s worth hanging on to just to see if he can recoup more value than that.
Should be noted I’m not as high on Castillo as most.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
The Pirates current core doesn’t work. No speed, no power means they have to string together a lot of hits, but they have mostly free swingers with no plate discipline.
Trade Cutch (if you can) Watson, Harrison and Cole for AA or AAA prospects only. This can be a Yankees style retool, rather than a Cubs/Astros rebuild.
Toss those prospects into a pile with Bell, Meadows, Glasnow, Kingham, Keller, Newman, etc. and hope that Marte, Kang, Polanco and Taillon can give you closer to their peaks than to what they have been able to this season.
That’s really their only path (hope).
Still confused as to why people thought this team was a Quintana away from contending.
L.Wrong Hubbard
A lot of things that had to go right all went wrong : no Kang, no Marte, Cutch not rebounding, weak bullpen, unproven rookies in the rotation (well, everywhere now ….)
Robertowannabe
Exactly, was going to post the basically the same thing. Add to that, Freese and Frazier hurt, I still would not have given up what was reportedly asked for by the White Sox for Quintana. In hindsight, he has not been that stellar anyway for the Sox.
redsfan48
The only reason the Yankees-style retool works for the Yankees is because they have money to buy any players they need to fill holes. The Pirates don’t have that as a small market team.
thegreatcerealfamine
The little green devil rears it’s ugly head!
montour_16
Pirates fans have to be patient because they have a very bright future. They have the best/deepest pitching farm system in the majors. Even better, they will have a top 12 pick in the 2017 draft and possibly a higher one in 2018.
If Mcutchen were to be traded then they would definitely get a good prospect for him, likely a pitcher who can shift around spots in the bullpen, but can still be effective. Gerrit Cole will not want to stay with the pirates due to the failing relationship with the front office. Once they trade him,whenever that may be, they will undoubtedly get a haul for him. I can’t see Tony Watson not being traded this year, and a trade for him would likely bring in a decent prospect being that he is a very capable reliever.
Something that people aren’t thinking about also is the aging rotation of the cubs and the aging in general for the Cardinals. I can’t see the Reds or Brewers being legitimate contenders for a while being that there farm systems aren’t up to par with a lot of teams.
Once you factor all of this in, the Pirates have a very bright future and will become a dominant team in the MLB.
bastros88
so far Dansby Swanson is hitting .168 so I guess we will wait yet another year to determine who lost this trade
EonADS
Still the Diamondbacks. Inciarte was part of that trade too, so even if Swanson never lives up entirely to the hype (and I’m pretty sure this is just rookie slumping), the Braves still got a 3.5-4 WAR per season CF out of the deal. Though Miller’s revamp attempts this year did look decent before he got shelved.
ReverieDays
The same kind of “slumping” as Profar and Buxton, huh?
chesteraarthur
profar had shoulder surgery and lost all semblance of power after that. Do you actually pay attention to what happened to these players ore just look at prospect ranking? (this is a serious question).
But the dbacks lost this horrible trade. And that great get took people’s attention away from the terrible moves the braves front office made in trades. I still remember hearing they were gonna compete this year or be .500.
josc2
Yes, the same kind of slumping as Bryant and Jackie Bradley. He’s a rookie who’s playing premium D. His upside and controllability hold incredibly more value than the level he’s performed to so far this year.
chesteraarthur
Yeah, cuz Kris Bryant and his 2016 NL MVP are surely comparable. The same KB who is “slumping”, but worth 2.0 more war through 160 pa than Swanson right now. yeah, that one. That is a great analogy.
So many braves fans that post here are a joke. Don’t let facts get in the way of your narratives.
EonADS
Point of order: I DON’T expect Swanson to be part of the super shortstop wave. He’s not Lindor, Correa, or Seager. He just doesn’t have that kind of offensive track record behind him. But he’s a well above-average defender at a premium position, so he has high value. And given what he did last season, even despite a good deal of it coming off an elevated BABIP, there’s room to be optimistic as far as his bat goes. At worst, I expect Swanson to be a 2.5 – 3 WAR per season player when he hits his stride. More likely he’s 3.5 – 4 WAR, about the same as Enciarte, provided he can get his K% down and his BABIP up to the norms he had in the Minors. I think .260-280 BA with 10-13 HR’s a season isn’t unreasonable in the future for him. He’s just really raw.
ffjsisk
Swanson is absolutely NOT playing premium D at all. Simmons played premium D speaking of horrible trades.
Sky14
Guessing you haven’t watched Buxton play and just parrot things you hear. Buxton started off horribly but has been pretty solid offensively since about mid April and even better the past couple weeks batting, .292/.320/.542. With his defense I think he’ll be okay, so yeah, if Swanson is “slumping” like Buxton then he’ll be okay.
RunDMC
What trades are you referring to? Trade for Gohara/Pike and Alex Jackson already paying off. Luke Jackson still up in the air, but bullpen depth. Demeritte has seen early returns and still needs to develop. Yes, that Olivera trade was bad, but we needed a mid-order bat desperately and got one when we used him to get Kemp. Signings of Colon/Dickey are becoming more baffling as the days roll on – wish we rolled the dice on some younger arms whose stock was low and could have more trade value. For the price of Dickey/Colon you could have thrown out a few smaller contracts with more risk and higher reward, in my opinion. But you know what they say about hindsight.
EonADS
Didn’t say he was playing premium D. I said he was playing ABOVE-AVERAGE defense at a premium position. Which is true. He’s above average and he plays shortstop. Reading comprehension, y’all.
josc2
Not a Braves fan at all and I’m comparing his first 50-100 ABs of his career to those of profar et all… as is the comparison made above. Relax.
realgone2
Yup swanson sucks,,,,might as well cut him. You’re kinda a joke yourself chester and a not very funny one at that.
I Believe We Can Win
“above-average defender at a premium position”
ABOVE AVERAGE DEFENDER……………………………..AT A PREMIUM POSITION
Hope that helps.
bastros88
good point I had completely forgot about Inciarte being part of that trade
redsfan48
Did you forget that Ender Inciarte was also a major piece in that trade? He certainly hasn’t been bad this season
tharrie0820
don’t forget about Aaron Blair either!!!!
EonADS
I’m pretty sure people would like to forget Aaron Blair after how bad he was last season (and he’s been almost as bad in Triple-A this season), but there’s probably some glimmer of upside there. Somewhere.
BaltimoreMatthew23
Didn’t we already know the D-backs were going to, but the ownership nixed it like last August or September? I feel like I heard reports of discussions for Miller for Castillo last year, probably on this site.
Dan the Tiger Fan
Rondon is a classic case of not knowing how blessed he is. Immaturity has been his weak spot for years. Perhaps he needs a mentor in the off season to help him keep his weight down and learn conditioning.
wkkortas
Considering Heyman’s long history as a pipeline for Boras, one wonders if Cole and Boras are pushing for a trade to someone who can give him a lucrative extension.
Robertowannabe
Would have to be a huge extension for Boras to recommend Cole sign it, no matter who the team is. He will push Cole to hit the market to drive his price way up. Only way the Pirates trade Cole is if they get their socks knocked off with an offer.