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Orioles Fire Manager Brandon Hyde

By Mark Polishuk | May 17, 2025 at 11:27am CDT

The Orioles announced that manager Brandon Hyde has been fired.  Third base coach Tony Mansolino will become the interim manager, while the coaching staff was further shaken up since Major League field coordinator and catching instructor Tim Cossins was also let go.

“Brandon Hyde is someone I have come to know and deeply admire, not only for his extensive knowledge of baseball, but also for his exceptional leadership as a manager,” Orioles owner David Rubenstein said in the club’s official media statement.  “I am sincerely grateful for his significant accomplishments over the past six years, which have greatly benefited both the Orioles and the city of Baltimore.  However, as is sometimes the case in baseball, change becomes necessary, and we believe this is one of those moments. The Orioles organization is truly appreciative of everything Brandon has contributed during his tenure, and we wish him nothing but success in whatever path he chooses next in the world of baseball.  Brandon is a man of great character, and we thank him for his dedication and wish him all the best in his future endeavors.”

Today’s news would’ve seemed hard to fathom two months ago, when the O’s entered the 2025 season again looking like a strong contender to reach the playoffs for the third year in a row.  Unfortunately, Baltimore has been perhaps the biggest disappointment in baseball this year, as the team stumbled out of the blocks to a 15-28 record.  Of the four teams with 15 or fewer victories this season, three have already changed managers within the last two weeks, as Hyde’s dismissal comes on the heels of the Pirates firing Derek Shelton and the Rockies firing Bud Black.

Orioles GM Mike Elias acknowledged his own role in the team’s struggles, noting in the press release that “as the head of baseball operations, the poor start to our season is ultimately my responsibility.  Part of that responsibility is pursuing difficult changes in order to set a different course for the future.  I want to thank Brandon for his hard work, dedication, and passion all these years, and for returning the team to the playoffs and winning an AL East Championship.  His many positive contributions to this organization and to Baltimore will remain, and we wish he and his family the best.”

Hyde was initially hired as the Orioles’ skipper during the 2018-19 offseason, soon after Mike Elias was hired as the club’s new general manager.  The duo became the faces of the multi-year rebuild project that took the O’s through three dismal losing seasons in 2019-21 before Baltimore made a somewhat surprisingly early return to competitive baseball by posting an 83-79 record in 2022.  That winning season was the harbinger for the Orioles’ AL East title and a 101-win campaign in 2023, as Hyde captured AL Manager of the Year honors.  That huge season was followed up with 91 wins and a wild card berth in 2024.

Neither of those trips to the postseason, however, resulted in even a single victory, let alone a series win.  Even before the O’s were swept away by the Royals in the 2024 Wild Card Series, some cracks were showing in Baltimore’s foundation — the club had only a 33-33 record after the All-Star break, as compared to a 58-38 record in the first half.  Still, with so much position player talent in place as the Orioles’ core, the expectation going into the offseason was that Rubenstein (in his first offseason as the club’s owner) would be open to boosting payroll in order to augment the pitching help that the O’s needed as the final pieces of the puzzle.

Instead, the Orioles spent more modestly, and their main pitching additions were one-year investments in Tomoyuki Sugano (who was coming to MLB for the first time after a long career in Japan) and longtime veteran Charlie Morton.  While Sugano has performed well, Morton’s disastrous performance cost him his rotation job, adding to a litany of struggles within Baltimore’s rotation.  Injuries and under-performance have left the Orioles with a pitching staff that ranks at or near the bottom of the league in most major statistical categories, both in the rotation and in the bullpen.

More troubling results have some on the offensive side, as much about every member of the lineup has taken a step backwards from their 2024 numbers.  Losing Jordan Westburg and Colton Cowser to injury hasn’t helped, and Gunnar Henderson also spent time on the IL at the start of the year.  But, health woes don’t explain why Adley Rutschman’s production has fallen off a cliff since the middle of 2024, or why Ryan Mountcastle or offseason addition Tyler O’Neill have also posted subpar numbers.

How much of this is directly Hyde’s fault is an open question, of course, as obviously Hyde wasn’t the one who added or didn’t add necessary pieces to the roster.  It is also fair to assume that decisions over playing time (i.e. how much or how often the young budding stars were incorporated into the lineup) were made by both Hyde and the front office, rather than just the skipper himself.

Still, several changes were made to Baltimore’s coaching staff after last season, indicating that upper management felt some alterations were necessary, even if Hyde’s job was seemingly safe.  And, given both the high expectations and the depths of the Orioles’ brutal start, Rubenstein, Elias and company may have felt that a managerial change needed to be made sooner rather than later, in order to see what the O’s might be able to salvage from the season.

The situation puts some extra pressure on Mansolino as the 42-year-old takes on his first assignment as a manager at the Major League level.  Mansolino has several years of managerial experience at multiple levels of Cleveland’s farm system, which led to a temporary job as the big league third base coach in 2020, as the club’s staff was shuffled around due to manager Terry Francona’s medical leave.  The 2020 campaign proved to be Mansolino’s last in Cleveland, as he was hired by the Orioles to become the team’s new third base coach.

If Mansolino can get the O’s turned around, he’ll have a great case for himself as the team’s next full-time manager heading into 2026.  Perhaps moreso than the questions surrounding the managerial situation is what today’s news means for Elias, who could potentially be on the hot seat himself in the wake of what now may be a sudden end to the Orioles’ competitive window.  In some ways, firing the architect of what is still a strong core of talent on paper would be even more surprising than firing Hyde, though it is worth noting that Elias wasn’t hired by Rubenstein himself.

Hyde completes his tenure with a 421-492 record over parts of seven seasons.  He’ll leave Baltimore along with Cossins, who USA Today’s Bob Nightengale described as a close friend of the ex-skipper.  Cossins has been a member of the Orioles staff for the entirety of Hyde’s tenure, and the two also worked together in the Cubs organization before joining the Orioles in the 2018-19 offseason.

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  1. MarkNYM

    1 month ago

    Long overdue. GM next!

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    • LordD99

      1 month ago

      More the latter. Bad offseason plan.

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      • kcmark

        1 month ago

        No pitching.

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        • Ham Fighter

          1 month ago

          O’s best pitcher is a 35 yr old rookie

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          1 month ago

          No pitching and they lost Santander. O’Niell doesn’t replace Santander. He doesn’t play enough. Westburg has been injured too.

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        • cooperhill

          1 month ago

          And he’s not John Nolan!🤣

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        • paosfan

          1 month ago

          Santander doesn’t replace Santander. he is stinking up in Toronto if you didn’t look, At least O’neil is cheaper with better defense. Additionally if he turns it around after the neck injury and hits 30 hr and opts out, we get a QO pick. .

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        • terrymesmer

          1 month ago

          Santander sucks this year.

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        • Pete'sView

          1 month ago

          No way O’s offer O’Neil a QO.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          1 month ago

          Comparing last year’s O’s to this year’s O’s, I think they miss Santander’s production from last year. It looks like it’s probably a good move to not sign him, but they did not replace his production.

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        • 99Captain Judge99

          1 month ago

          Yeah firing Hyde is insane, considering not having any pitching is not his fault at all. If Corbin Burnes stays. I definitely think he still has a job.

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        • Dmac13

          1 month ago

          Pitching is a problem but the hitting is also a concern. The core hitters are trending down some might say that’s the hitting coach and not Hyde however hitters like consistency in a line up and if you look at hydes lineups one day guys hit 2nd then 6th then 4th it changes all the time. That is directly on the manager. Who knows if they are hitting maybe he still has a job but here we are

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          1 month ago

          Brandon can’t Hyde from the abysmal start the team has had.

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        • joeflaccosunibrow

          1 month ago

          I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE!

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      • dannysbigboi

        1 month ago

        I think ownership. They didn’t want to pony up to get Burnes. There were some decent arms out there and they really did nothing. Ownership didn’t want to commit and see where they are now.

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        • paosfan

          1 month ago

          like who? and you assume they were not in on every pitching option avaialble last offseason. if they can go 190 for burnes they were likely in on others.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          Burnes was a weak contract and since he would rather live in Arizona Baltimore would had to significantly beat that contract. There best off season move was not signing Burnes.

          They could have signed other pitchers though. Andrew Heaney for 5m?

          Atlanta could had brought Morton back for less $ than Baltimore gave him but had zero interest in doing so. Talk about a red flag! Here’s your sign!

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        • websoulsurfer

          1 month ago

          Maybe because Elias said they weren’t?

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          1 month ago

          If you don’t pony up the money to SIGN anyone you really can’t consider yourself to be IN on anyone. There were also plenty of budget options available and they went with the three most questionable.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          1 month ago

          This season has been all Dr. Jekyll and no Mr. Hyde.

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      • CarverAndrews

        1 month ago

        Sometimes you can run, but you cannot Hyde…

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      • Pete'sView

        1 month ago

        LordD99 –
        Exactly right. When they didn’t add quality to their rotation they were destined to fall, and there’s no reason for such mismanagement or ownership penny pinching when you have that kind of young talent with the position players.

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      • MarkNYM

        1 month ago

        Of course it’s more the latter, but managers get fired, especially bad ones. That’s how baseball works. Like I said, GM next. No one will remember Brandon Hyde in a couple years.

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        • websoulsurfer

          1 month ago

          Brandon Hyde will be managing elsewhere in 2026. He is coming off a 91 win season.

          This was a FO issue from the get-go. They lost a significant power bat for the middle of their lineup and 100 starts with a combined 3.76 ERA in the rotation and replaced them with O’Niell in the lineup and Morton, Sugano, and Gibson in the rotation.

          O’Niell is a 76 OPS+, 0.0 WAR player so far. Losing Santander left a 132 OPS+ hole to fill in the lineup and O’Niell has failed to do so.

          The bigger issue is the starting pitching.
          The 40-year-old Morton and his 8.35 ERA has already been relegated to the pen.
          Gibson is, well, Gibson. 13.11 ERA in his 3 starts.
          Sugano has a great ERA, but his peripherals point to a massive regression. His 4.85 FIP is far more indicative of the kind of pitcher he has been this season.
          The starting pitching went from 3.77 ERA and top 5 in 2024 to 5.60 ERA and bottom 3 in 2025.

          Those problems in 2025 were created in the FO and the responsibility falls on Elias shoulders. But another scapegoat was needed, so Hyde lost his job.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          1 month ago

          O’Neill was an apples to apples replacement of Santander with more injury risk but a lower price tag. Not a bad move. Could have paid up for Teoscar but no saying if he would have signed with them.

          You are absolutely right on the pitching.

          I understand firing the manager. I would also fire the hitting coach and anyone whose job is centered on the offense. This is where this team has underperformed last year and this year. They should be one of the better offenses with their position player talent.

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        • websoulsurfer

          1 month ago

          You are too funny. In your world a player who had averaged 94 games, 1.3 WAR, and 18 HRs over the 3 previous seasons was an apples-to-apples replacement for a player that has averaged 153 games, 2.7 WAR, and 35 HRs?

          I understand firing Hyde too. Elias is trying to save his job. Like Elias’ offseason moves, that too will fail, but that is the purpose of this move.

          Elias is on his way out the door at the end of the season and Rubenstein will hire his own guys for POBO and Manager, so no harm in firing Hyde now. Just no benefit either.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          1 month ago

          Cheaper, more injury prone, comparable on a rate basis by WAR.

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        • websoulsurfer

          1 month ago

          Not comparable. That is the point.

          Rate basis doesn’t matter when what replaces him in the field while he suffers his inevitable injuries will be much, much worse than Santander.

          Signing O’Niell to replace Santander was a failure on Elias’ part and in no way reflects on Hyde.

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    • tigers182

      1 month ago

      You can’t give any manager that pitching staff and then expect him to compete in that division

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      • MacGromit

        1 month ago

        popular response but it is also the anemic bats and poor RISP numbers that have doomed the season thusfar. far to easy to just blame the starters. the starters cannot put up negative ERA.

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        • RunDMC

          1 month ago

          They’re 28 of 30 in starting pitcher ERA (5.60) leading only MIA, COL. While they’re 22/25/25 of 30 in team OPS/AVG/runs, respectively.

          Sure, their hitting has been bad, but not as bad as their starting pitching.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Mac – Specifically, they are 6th-worst in OBP and BA, and dead list in almost every RISP category.

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        • MuleorAstroMule

          1 month ago

          Well, just to pile on, they have the 23rd best defense with -6.0 fWAR. So it’s not just the pitchers’ fault.

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        • Big Hurt

          1 month ago

          If managers have nothing to do with how the players play, then why have managers? Sorry, but someone needs to be held accountable when a team that you all thought was a dynasty is literally in the bottom 3 run differential, either the manager takes some blame, or the GM Elias who Os fans seem to think walks on water is accountable.
          Pick, but there’s a real problem and they had to do something.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Mule – As a BoSox fan I will refrain from commenting on team defense. LOL!

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Big – Yep I’ve been saying that for decades, managers get far too much credit for wins and far too little blame for losses.

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        • paosfan

          1 month ago

          So the 7 starters on the IL were to be expected? Well 2 were until midyear.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          1 month ago

          Their hitting should be top ten. Only way this team was going to win anything.

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        • websoulsurfer

          1 month ago

          The 15% difference in hitting between 2024 and 2025 is not nearly the issue that the 2-point higher ERA among the starting pitchers is. They are still roughly an MLB average hitting team. They went from a top 5 to one of the bottom 3 teams in starting pitching. Pitching is the issue.

          With the same level of pitching as 2024 they are a winning team in 2025 even with league average hitting.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          1 month ago

          My point is the offense should have been better both years and a more direct link to the managements performance. Pitching is injury and front office failure.

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        • websoulsurfer

          1 month ago

          If mom had balls, she would be pa.

          The offense was what it was. It’s not the problem. The problem is pitching. That is a FO failure. Which should not have affected Hyde’s managing tenure. It should have affected Elias’ job tenure.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          1 month ago

          That was the single best reply I have ever seen.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        tigers – Not sure what you mean?

        The O’s are 6-6 in divisional games, 9-22 against everyone else.

        Division has absolutely nothing to do with it.

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        • tigers182

          1 month ago

          I think you missed the main point

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          tigers – That’s why I’m asking ;O)

          It’s not like the AL East is a tough division, 4 of the 5 teams have losing records and no other division has more than 3 losing teams.

          So why do you say “that division”?

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        • Poolhalljunkies

          1 month ago

          Fpg do you really think they have pitching to compete? Or are you just being picky on the “division” part..again..no need for you to be a jerk

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Fan – Wow it’s been a few months since somebody created a tribute account about me, I’m honored!

          Hopefully you can keep it lighthearted and not take it down a dark path like the others.

          What are your thoughts on next week’s big 4-game series between the BoSox and O’s, will it be competitive? Will Tyler O’Neill flex his muscles and knock a couple over the Green Monster?

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        • Blue Baron

          1 month ago

          To say nothing of a legend in his own mind!

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          1 month ago

          No problem with FPG, but his “fan” should know that while probably untrue, half the posters probably assume it is FPG’s second account or his Mom. So you are unintentionally making him look silly.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          MLB – Every other account created to target me quickly led to them showing their true intentions, insulting me with the new account because I have their original account(s) on mute.

          But I’ll always play nice until they fire their first shot, and then ……. ;O)

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        • Roguesaw2

          1 month ago

          You wouldn’t be the first lol

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        • Poolhalljunkies

          1 month ago

          I miss the one that used to post “ode to fever pitch guy” that was hysterical.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          1 month ago

          That is probably the point. At least that is what makes it funny. I just hope it is a bit someone made and not an actual human wasting their time.

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      • Boston’s Alignment

        1 month ago

        *in any division.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Fan – Thank you for getting it, seems like some here don’t.

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      • paosfan

        1 month ago

        you cant’ have any pitching staff lose 7 starters and expect to do well. unless your the Rays who grow them on trees.

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        • Samuel

          1 month ago

          Tell me why all those pitchers keep getting injured.

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        • Astros West Texas

          1 month ago

          Astros are still top notch front office, and they’ve had at least 4-5 proven quality SPs on the IL at any given time for 3 years now

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    • Johnny Devil

      1 month ago

      You can only work with what you have and this pathetic excuse for a major league baseball organization gave hyde zero major league pitching. What a sham and what a shame. Zach Effin Eflin ???? A pipeline of young talent and where is the pitching. Some blown arms as I recall but spend some money, I think it’s time. Unless you change owners GM next is to easy my friend.

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    • dodgers32

      1 month ago

      And next should be like next week. Start the search now. This falls squarely on the GM. His failure completely. Fall on the sword, Mike.

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    • The Saber-toothed Superfife

      4 weeks ago

      They should hire…..
      Al Avila

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  2. HEHEHATE

    1 month ago

    Not a fan of this firing. You gotta give him the talent across the board to compete with the division.

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    • RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

      1 month ago

      There’s no excuse for them not signing/trading for at least 2 good SP’s this past offseason. Horrible job by their front office team.

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      • LordD99

        1 month ago

        New owner with money. Few commitments moving forward. Prospects to trade. They should have used both avenues to improve the pitching.

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        • TrumpisMyGawd

          1 month ago

          Which prospects should they have traded?

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        • RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

          1 month ago

          Trump- Dealing Kjerstad and Mayo alone could’ve gotten them an ace while holding onto their core..

          From there, they could’ve signed at least 1-2 more starters with the money they had available..

          Wonder how much better they’d be with Cease or King leading their rotation, and someone like Pivetta as a #3 guy..

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          1 month ago

          Ron Darling isn’t in the hall of Fame. He annoys people with his voice every time the Mets play. I swear the first time I heard him I had to ask whether James Woods was calling games.

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      • Big whiffa

        1 month ago

        Sugano is one and they offered burnes more money than Arizona. It’s not the GMs fault players do not want to play in Baltimore

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        • sultan of swat

          1 month ago

          More money allegedly but not years. Easy choice by Burnes.

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        • MacGromit

          1 month ago

          and if they had signed Burnes… and he performed in BAL how he has in ARI, then what would the chorus be? incomplete take. bats are no where to be seen as well.

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        • Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

          1 month ago

          There were other options they could have went after that could have bumped them up to at least league average in the rotation too. Crochet, Fried, Severino, Quintana, Kikuchi, etc., were all available as free agents/trade targets but the O’s ignored them. They were dead set on bringing back Burnes and just gave up entirely when he moved to AZ.

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        • desertdawg

          1 month ago

          Burnes said that one of the reason he signed with AZ was that he lives in Az and wanted to be with his family.

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        • RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

          1 month ago

          Big whiffa-They could’ve made moves. For example, Cease for Kjerstad + could’ve been done..as could many other deals.

          They have the pieces to move, but are too in love with their kids.

          This falls entirely on Elias and ownership.

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        • Big whiffa

          1 month ago

          Any trade SD would have made – it would have been to compete this year. Kjerstad package is no where near a done deal. And I don’t think cease was really ever on the market in the first place

          I do agree they are to prospect heavy ! Can’t replace Santander with prospects

          I’m a fan of Elias and new ownership. Sometimes it takes a couple years to get going and this seemed like a flat spot

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        • Big whiffa

          1 month ago

          In comparison to Baltimore or Toronto, sure ! But if a major desirable market was offering more than Arizona – he’d be in NY, LA, or Chicago for sure

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        • RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

          1 month ago

          Kjerstad or Mayo and an upper level prospect or two would’ve absolutely gotten it done, and would’ve freed up money for the Padres to go get pitching. AJ 100% wanted to move Cease, and deals with the Orioles were discussed multiple times in the offseason according to almost every mlb reporter.

          Elias sat on his hands though.

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        • strange faces

          1 month ago

          The O’s should feel free to take Bryce Elder and Alex Verdugo from Atlanta. They will totally improve the O’s. Atlanta will be happy with some equipment in return. Like with Kerry Ligtenberg back in the 90’s. Point is, please O’s…PLEASE!!!

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        • outinleftfield

          1 month ago

          bigwhiffa, Sugano is a 4.85 FIP SP that is striking out just 5 per 9IP. He is due for a huge fall soon. Burnes said the best deal money-wise was offered by Arizona and it just happened to be where he lived, which made it easy to accept instead of farming it around to see who would beat it. .

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        • outinleftfield

          1 month ago

          Padres were consistent in saying they were not trading Cease, but there were other pitchers available on the trade market.

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        • Big whiffa

          1 month ago

          He’s not a strikeout pitcher so his fip and k rate are gonna look that way. He will have a good season thou. Not a top rotation piece but a good season

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        • outinleftfield

          1 month ago

          His other peripherals also point to a huge regression. Sugano will not end 2025 at a 3.08 ERA. Sugano is what he is, a #5 starter on a contending team.

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    • Roarfromthirtyfour

      1 month ago

      This was overdue, to be honest. The O’s were a .500 team the last half of last season and have been awful this year. Rubenstein was sitting front row for the game last night, a Friday night home game against the Nationals (so something of a rivalry). The O’s lost that game entirely on effort (Adley not hustling a passed ball; Felix not hustling to first and forgetting about the runner on third). Seems like that was, appropriately, the final straw for Hyde. He was great for a while, but he lost this team.

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      • The_Porcupine

        1 month ago

        I agree. The team was no longer responding to hyde. The second half of last season, the team crashed. This year it seemed the whole organization just expected contention to happen. Talent alone doesnt bring results. People blame the pitching, but NO ONE took a step forward as a position player either. The orioles have a long tradition of not being able to develop pitching, which has never been addressed organizationally. Elias failed to see that problem, thinking rodriquez would be the ace and all he did was add depth. I dont think elias needs to be fired, but he has to demonstrate a change in his stategies to build the roster.

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    • cooperhill

      1 month ago

      The lineup juggling and poor bullpen management had to stop!

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    • Charlie III

      1 month ago

      Maybe it is not Hyde’s fault but it is also not like his leadership has prevented disaster from taking place.

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    • dannysbigboi

      1 month ago

      Same. I mean someone has to be the scapegoat.

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    • Benjamin DAvella

      1 month ago

      Cmon. You can’t fire the entire team so somebody had to go. I never liked his style of managing with all the platooning. Nobody was ever go8ng to get any confidence after being benched despite a good game. No meritocracy at all. Let him manage on his Playstation because he sure didn’t motivate people

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      • Roguesaw2

        1 month ago

        A lot of that came down from the Front Office. Back when Hyde was hired, Elias made a point that Hyde was a forward thinking candidate that would use the data provided to him from upstairs.

        Hyde was always an extension of Elias. Elias would do well to adapt to that failure and hire someone that can do the job without the GM holding his hand. And the the GM needs to let his manager manage. Would love a Buck reunion, or a Cal hiring, but neither will take a job that involves meddling with game decisions from upstairs.

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        • Rick Face

          1 month ago

          Buck? I’d rather see Fredi Gonzalez.

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    • Yankee Clipper

      1 month ago

      I don’t think this is an appropriate firing, but I trust O’s fans know him more intimately than I do.

      From my perspective, it seems they hired him to field a tanking team for several years, which he did without complaint, before actual talent was ready. It’s a young team and the O’s new owner chose to complain about prices rather than acquire talent for his manager to supplement the talent in a division ready for the taking.

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    • paosfan

      1 month ago

      you may not have watched games. a lot of the team direction baserunning and managerial pitching decisions have been very questionable.

      defensive laps have been comical which goes back to the coaching staff.

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      • Yankee Clipper

        1 month ago

        Paosfan: Yeah, that part makes sense. I totally agree with team lack of focus being on the manager.

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      • Roguesaw2

        1 month ago

        I do watch a lot of their games, which is why I would have fired Hyde last off-season. He lost the team. They haven’t hit for him in nearly a year, and, what’s worse, is how they look when they are losing close games. You want to see the guys fired up, hustling and fighting for those runs. These guys look dejected and defeated. Heads down and moping around. That’s on Hyde.

        As for his bullpen management, unfortunately, a lot of that comes down from Elias. They have charts for all kinds of scenarios and matchups. Hyde follows the script. None of that is him making a gut call. He’s doing what his bosses numbers told him was the smart thing to do. Elias’ scapegoat was also his lemming.

        I’m not opposed to them keeping Elias, but the next manager needs to be independent of him and have some fire. I’d love a Buck reunion, or putting Cal in the dugout. Joe Girardi is a guy I’d look at, too. But none of those guys will take the job if they are going to be force fed how the front office expects a game to be managed.

        It may just be time to let Elias go rebuild someone else. I’m not sure he can adapt. He’s smart, and, unfortunately, he knows it.

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    • joeflaccosunibrow

      1 month ago

      Hyde is the scapegoat of Elias’ failure to deal with the starting rotation. It’s not fair but Poo rolls downhill and Brandon is lower on the hill than Elias.

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  3. RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

    1 month ago

    Bring back Buck!

    Bring back Buck!

    Bring back Buck!

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      1 month ago

      Hire Bud!

      Then Black is the new Orange!

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    • cooperhill

      1 month ago

      🤢🤮 Vanilla. 500, forget it. Most overrated manager in MLB history!

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      • RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

        1 month ago

        .500 mainly because he was at the helm at the start of their rebuild in ‘18, and lost 115 games with almost zero major league talent. Buck’s at worst a solid manager.

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        • cooperhill

          1 month ago

          2018 was a talent loaded, veteran team with a future HOF! Moe, Larry or Curly would not have lost 115 games with that team!

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      • Your 2024 Champs

        1 month ago

        Hey it’s cooperhill crying again. You trying to win an award there buddy?

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        • cooperhill

          1 month ago

          Go buy another title. Roberts is too stupid to do it on his own!

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        • Your 2024 Champs

          1 month ago

          cooperhill, well the Dodgers are a lot more relevant than whatever team you support, so hey yeah I hope the team does buy another title! They still count! 😉

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        • Roguesaw2

          1 month ago

          Not sure “go buy another title” is actually an insult… wish Rubinstein would go buy a title. That would be swell.

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    • Boston’s Alignment

      1 month ago

      Buck and Bud!

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    • James Midway

      1 month ago

      Buck is a clown

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  4. CO Guardening

    1 month ago

    Pitching was an area of need, but the offense has been the problem. Probably a lost season for the Orioles, but this likely needed to happen. Regardless of how good a manager you are, if your team doesn’t perform, that’s on you as the manager.

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    • rememberthecoop

      1 month ago

      The.manager is often the scapegoat. No manager can win without talent. And this team doesn’t have the pitching to win

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      • LordD99

        1 month ago

        Firing the manager is what the head of baseball opps does to show action to delay his firing.

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        • outinleftfield

          1 month ago

          Elias will follow Hyde out the door in October when Rubenstein brings in his own guys. Both are holdovers from the previous ownership.

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      • The_Porcupine

        1 month ago

        The offense hasnt worked either and that was hyde.

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        • websoulsurfer

          1 month ago

          3.77 ERA vs 5.60 ERA. Even with the hitting underperforming (a large part of which is not replacing Santander’s bat in the lineup), what would their record have been if Elias had addressed the elephant in the room and brings in the starting pitching that they knew they were going to need?

          Around .500? Would we be having this conversation about Hyde if they had done something about the biggest need they had?

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      • desertdawg

        1 month ago

        Easier to fire a manager than fire 26 players.

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        • websoulsurfer

          1 month ago

          Or 1 GM apparently.

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    • Badfinger

      1 month ago

      So all the injuries and Adley forgetting how to hit and not addressing the rotation was Hyde’s fault? Cool.

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      • websoulsurfer

        1 month ago

        The loss of Santander is a bigger issue than Rutschman going from a 106 to a 90 OPS+.

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    • Samuel

      1 month ago

      The team went into a tailspin because the FO systemically got rid of the veteran team leaders that could have kept things in order.

      Brandon Hyde is a sensational manager and will get hired by a quality organization to manage within the next 2 years.

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      • Samuel

        1 month ago

        In a way this reminds me of Mike Schildt’s firing.

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        • Boston’s Alignment

          1 month ago

          Schildt was winning games. Clearly some bizarre disconnect with the Mozeliak led front office. Lucky him.

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        • Herc33

          1 month ago

          Schildt has never had a losing season (knock on wood). Way different circumstance in that Hyde was there through the rebuild and has a .461 career winning percentage, with a team currently way under .500. Schildt took STL to playoffs all three years he was the manager for the full season and still got canned the offseason after winning 90 games and wining at a .559 clip in STL. Hyde’s is for performance, Schildt was let go for some other reason.

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      • Astros West Texas

        1 month ago

        At what point did Elias forget some of what he had learned from Luhnow? Not entirely fair question though, as Luhnow was never fully invested in the starting pitching aspect, and had to be pushed by Crane on the Verlander & Grienke deals, and maybe on the Cole deal. On the other hand, Luhnow did load us up with those inexpensive older latin prospects – Valdez, Javier, Luis Garcia, and Urquedy. Does Elias have any of that coming up through the system? Losing Bradish & Rodriguez were the devastating blows here, I think.

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      • cooperhill

        1 month ago

        Who can’t manage a pitching staff or a lineup 🤔.

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        • Samuel

          1 month ago

          Teh one that won 101 games less than 2 years ago?

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  5. forealforeal615

    1 month ago

    Finally!!!! Now fire Elias too!!!

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    • Big whiffa

      1 month ago

      That’s crazy ! When did Baltimore last have a winning season prior to him ?

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      • Darthyen

        1 month ago

        2016 a year or two before they hired him

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      • Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

        1 month ago

        Right? Elias brought them back to the playoffs.

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        • Boston’s Alignment

          1 month ago

          Then completely and utterly failed to build on that.

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        • Big whiffa

          1 month ago

          That’s bc that team WAAAAY overachieved! Buck got em to the playoffs !

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  6. FOmeOLS

    1 month ago

    It is way too late and way too little, but the longest journey starts with a single step.
    The worst, the very worst part of this is that over at pinstripe alley everyone is laughing

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  7. InsertWittyName

    1 month ago

    MLB firing managers like football/soccer clubs at the moment

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    • walls17

      1 month ago

      Yeah, they used to be rather conservative in terms of managerial changes in the age of sabermetrics. I am wondering if this is the start of a trend where managers have shorter leashes. Three managers canned before Memorial Day is unheard of in recent years.

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      • misterb71

        1 month ago

        You can’t really say Hyde or Black were cheated out of time to make things work. No doubt their rosters had issues coming into 2025 but they weren’t on a first contract trying to pull it all together.. Hyde was in his 7th season and Black was in his 9th with the Rockies. They had plenty of leash to work with.

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        • I Like Big Bunts

          1 month ago

          Dolt.

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  8. amjr

    1 month ago

    About f’ing time!

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  9. E munchy

    1 month ago

    All of the failures start with Elias. Firing Hyde isn’t going to make the defense, pitching or hitting better. Getting Elias and his analytical nonsense TF out of here is the improvement that’s required.

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    • Jbigz12

      1 month ago

      Elias had a terrible offseason but to think we’d be better off firing him after this is crazy thinking to me.

      There’s no GM sitting on his couch that is coming in tomorrow and improving this. (Unless Jeff Luhnow decides he wants to return to the MLB)

      If we’re collecting prospects for our rentals then Elias is certainly the best guy for that job. They can decide what they’d like to do in the offseason if this gets no better but you don’t can him now.

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      • Mets Era Thumping Soto

        1 month ago

        He’s the worst GM in the league.

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        • Jbigz12

          1 month ago

          That’s an extremely stupid statement.

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        • 1979Ago

          1 month ago

          You have obviously not seen the Pirates this century.

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        • Boston’s Alignment

          1 month ago

          Extremely extremely stupid.

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        • Whyme

          1 month ago

          Lol you have to be kidding? My Jay’s have a worse GM for one $250 mill and are an awful team.

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        • Mets Era Thumping Soto

          1 month ago

          At least they can extend their superstars. I will be shocked if the Orioles keep just one of these good young players.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      1 month ago

      Rubenstein built his multi-billion dollar fortune based on data and analytics with his private equity firm. Your hate should be redirected to why he didn’t spend money on pitching.

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      • MacGromit

        1 month ago

        @Yank

        We don’t have any hate left over after our hatred for the Yankees. but thanks for your suggestion. all the worst, signed, Baltimore Fans.

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      • misterb71

        1 month ago

        You say this as if you have absolute direct knowledge that Rubenstein said “don’t pay big money for a starting pitcher.”

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  10. Thornton Mellon

    1 month ago

    Should have been done in October, but that’s one step of many needed to fix this mess.

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  11. rayw

    1 month ago

    Hyde is a good man, but it was time. It wasn’t just under performance, it was a lack of effort and structure. When you’re down 5-0 in the first, of course these young kids are going to press.

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  12. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    1 month ago

    Good Riddance

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  13. nyy17 2

    1 month ago

    Thank you for saying he was fired instead of “relieved of his duties.” The world has gotten too soft with words.

    I couldn’t believe the other day when I saw a linebacker is now called an edge rusher. People’s ears can handle hard consonants and harsh words.

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    • WideWorldofSports

      1 month ago

      wth are you talking about

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    • FOmeOLS

      1 month ago

      In Ancient Rome, the emperor would pass on a message to you that “I no longer have need of your services.” And of course, that meant that you were expected to fall on your sword.
      Things have gotten marginally better since then.

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  14. beyou02215

    1 month ago

    I’ve said it over and over. Crochet was out there and the O’s sat on their hands. Of course, I’m not privy to what offers the O’s made or did not make, but you gotta think they could have got it done with Mayo plus, and now he, Mayo, looks lost.

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    • nrd1138

      1 month ago

      Yeah, but a lot of people were whining that Crochet was not going to good and that anything to get him would be an overpay… I gets its only the beginning of the season, but it seems most of those people have quietly left the building (or now have selective amnesia, at least until he has a rough patch of games).

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      • beyou02215

        1 month ago

        I was not one of them. I was a big advocate for a Crochet match until he was traded. It just made too much sense.

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      • Flyby

        1 month ago

        i still stand by it .. what they wanted from the orioles and seemed pretty stuck on was not worth it especially when you consider you are pretty much forced to do an extension at that point.

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        • cwsOverhaul

          1 month ago

          @flyby: What prospects of Balt do you believe WSox wanted for 2yrs of dirt cheap control on Crochet that was “too much”?
          Second with bias aside what do you think was a fair ask in light of them ultimately getting Teel that is developing well at the most important D position in baseball, dynamic Braden Montgomery and Meidroth/likely BP type arm Gonzalez?

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        • Roguesaw2

          1 month ago

          I think the take comes from someone perhaps hung up on “rankings.” If the Sox were asking for Mayo, a top 10ish prospect at the time, and/or Kjerstad, a top 30ish guy at the time, and took Teel, a 50ish guy and Montgomery, a guy outside most 100s… to someone hung up on rankings that’s probably looking like an overpay request. Fast forward a few months and it seems the Sox made the correct call. Idk. Rankings are fun for fans, but it’s not like front offices call fangraphs or Baseball America asking who they should trade for.

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        • freeland1787

          1 month ago

          When it comes to prospect rankings, the phrase “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” comes to mind. Each evaluator has their own survivor biases on how skill sets translate to the major leagues.

          In the case of Kjerstad and Mayo, they are guys who are unlikely to end up at a premium defensive position or DH. Their bats aren’t enough of a separator (both have major strikeout issues) to make him a better value than a catcher like Teel, whose offensive floor isn’t much lower despite a lower power ceiling. Montgomery’s low ranking is more due to lack of professional track record, although he was a preseason favorite to go 1-1 in the 2024 draft. Throw in a major league ready infield prospect and a lottery ticket arm and it’s pretty easy to see why Chicago pulled the trigger on the deal they did.

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        • JackStrawb

          1 month ago

          If not, it’s because most of the good analytics scouts at fg and BA have already been snapped up my MLB teams.

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  15. Wrian Washman

    1 month ago

    I love it:
    Fail to address your pitching needs in free agency, fail to retain your ace, fail to trade your surplus of young position players for pitching, fail to extend your cornerstone SS and C, fail to spend any God damn money at all to complement an emerging young offense, blame the manager for a bad record. Rinse and repeat
    Pirates, Os, Rockies it’s a joke and even though there is a massive disparity problem you can’t blame ALL your problems on not having LA/NY money.

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    • Flyby

      1 month ago

      You also cant really blame the coach for all those issues as those are the responsibility of the gm and owners.

      Something tells me you cant win a nascar race on a 10 speed from walmart. You might get one where all the cars crash and then win since probably easier to avoid but how often does that happen.

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    • FormerHero

      1 month ago

      Pirates were a perfect trading partner as they have opposite depth. All the Pirates needed were a couple bats. Instead, they did the usual and signed two guys who are a step away from coaching careers
      Can’t speak for the O’s but the incompetence and owner greed aren’t themes reserved for Pittsburgh, it seems

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    • The_Porcupine

      1 month ago

      Where is this emerging young offense? What has adley done to warrant an extension? Henderson maybe. The fans wanted the orioles to be a win now team, but they wetent ready and didnt appraoch the off season as a win now.

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    • King Floch

      1 month ago

      The team has looked sloppy, unfocused, and unmotivated for a long time now.

      That falls on the manager, not the GM.

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      • Yankee Clipper

        1 month ago

        King: I agree with you that sloppy team play falls on the Manager, which is why Boone should’ve been fired a long time ago.

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        • King Floch

          1 month ago

          I agree, Boone must have some REALLY juicy dirt on Cashman and/or Hal lol.

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      • King. Of. Cards

        1 month ago

        The team spent 73 million in 2025 salaries over the offseason on 8 players who have combined to produce negative WAR.

        Thats falls on the GM as well as the manager.

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        • King Floch

          1 month ago

          KoC- I don’t feel like typing out the same stuff over and over again, so I’ll just copy/paste from a previous comment I made here:

          Losing because you just flat out suck is one thing, but losing game after game because the team is consistently sloppy and unfocused is quite another, and that is what Hyde’s management was producing night in and night out. Whatever his message/method was, it was clearly not working anymore, and a new voice was needed.

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        • King. Of. Cards

          1 month ago

          The issue isn’t just the manager. The manager was great the last couple years when the Orioles were one of the best teams in baseball.

          The issue isn’t money because thet spent a lot last offseason.

          The issue is how the spent it. They spent money poorly and that’s on the GM. And the lack of a big trade also on the GM. I told you all offseason a trade for Crochet was the answer. And I was right you were wrong.

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        • King Floch

          1 month ago

          Hyde wasn’t just fired because the team was losing, he was fired because of *HOW* the team was losing.

          Go watch the clownshow 9th inning from last night’s game and tell me that looks like a focused, fundamentally sound baseball team. Bautista forgetting to cover the bag in time and then also forgetting there was a runner on and allowing the go ahead run to score while he just stood there with the ball. Mullins taking back to back fastballs right down the middle to strike out looking with the tying run on base.

          And there have been a plethora of losses this year that were similarly circus-like.

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      • Big Hurt

        1 month ago

        King, correct on those factors. Terrible trade for Rogers, lack of trade for Cease or Crochet, and inability to transition these incredible prospects into good major league hitters is on the organization and Elias to some extent. They have had a ton of pitching injuries, but anyone who looked at this team and thought they ahd enough pitching depth was looking through orange glasses.

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    • I Like Big Bunts

      1 month ago

      What a rambling mess of a comment

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  16. Never Remember

    1 month ago

    Yes it is his fault a billionaire owner decided to go cheap and not sign any pitchers or improve team and the prospect obsessed GM again failed to understand prospects are useful in ways other than in getting mlb.com to give your farm system a high ranking.

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    • cooperhill

      1 month ago

      The owner gave Elias permission to spend, he just refused to do so!

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      • Big whiffa

        1 month ago

        That’s ridiculous. Burnes signed for less money than Baltimore offered and they signed a slew of pitchers to one year deals.

        They have also traded away prospects to acquire talent in the past so their needs to be some sort of middle ground

        Orioles biggest problem is player development. Holiday and Grayson were projected to be stars. Second they did not replace Santander. Once you are no longer going to outscore every one, the writing is on the wall

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          1 month ago

          Burnes signed for more money in AZ. Higher salary per year does not equate to more money in total.

          They replaced Santander with O’Neil who is a comparable player.

          I agree Elias is a good GM. They would still be bottom dwellers without him with no hope of escaping.

          Some pitching would have been nice. Even signing a bunch of guys like Heaney or Quintana would have been a smart move.

          Wonder if Gonsolin or May will be available from the Dodgers come mid year? By that time the O’s may be completely toasted though.

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      • Roguesaw2

        1 month ago

        I get the feeling Rubinstein has yet to really impact the team in any meaningful way. He’s probably watching how the business he bought is functioning, before stepping in and throwing his weight around as to how he thinks it can improve. Seems like the business man approach, anyway. Not that I’d know. I’m to rash and impulsive to build a billion dollar empire lol

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  17. nrd1138

    1 month ago

    The guy shows he can get a team which is a 2nd class org in terms of spending to be a threat in the A.L. East and they ‘@#$%can’ him?
    Wow. I have a feeling when a good org gets this guy will reap the benefits from a reactionary firing.

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  18. Susannah

    1 month ago

    Not a surprise. His bullpen management has been horrible.

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    • Samuel

      1 month ago

      What you kids don’t understand is this…….

      In today’s MLB what to do with the bullpen is all worked out before the game. The manager is meeting with coaches, the catchers; along with FO analytic people and analysts. No different than a football team strategizing for that days game. They look at who in their bullpen is rested and how many pitches they can make that day. They discuss who they may need for the next days game. Who the opposition batters are – including pinch hitters – and how those in the bullpen match up with them.

      In short, in todays MLB strategizing is a collective effort of multiple people. The manager is actually limited in his choices.

      Mr. Hyde won 101 games less than 2 years ago. He didn’t suddenly get dumb. The FO gave the SS job to Henderson starting in 2024 when Mateo at SS was a major reason the teams did so well in 2023. They wanted to play the youngsters and forced the veterans to the bench or off the team. I wrote here in June or some of 2024 that even though the O’s took a series from the Rangers, they weren’t playing right. It was obvious….and around that time they traded Austin Hays – a team leader and all-around player. Got childish responses back stating things like “In my mind when a team takes a series from another they’re a good team”. From that point on the O’s went from having one of the 3 top records in MLB to playing .500 ball for the rest of 2024. In the offseason more veterans were let go, and this year when they started to fall apart there was little veteran leadership left to right the ship and turn the tide.

      Baseball is played on a field between human beings. It is not rotisserie league or computer baseball. Mr. Hyde has little to do with this mess. The strategizing of the 2025 season by the FO as they’re supposedly coming out of a 6-7 year rebuild has been pathetic.

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    • Jbigz12

      1 month ago

      Samuel on his Austin hays soap box again.

      The biggest reason the O’s went down in the 2nd half is because Bradish and GRod went down and Craig Kimbrel became the worst reliever in baseball after being good enough for half a season.

      It wasn’t losing Austin Hays’ production. That’s ridiculous nonsense that you kept posting. Jorge Mateo wasn’t our starting SS in the first half so you can hop off that train too.

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      • O'sSayCanYouSee

        1 month ago

        ^ This. Bradish gets overlooked, and people fail to realize how inexperienced the kids are. Adley and Gunnar have over 1500 PA, but Westberg, Cowser, Kjerstad, and Holiday have less then half 1500 PA.

        Adley and Gunnar can’t run the offense by themselves, and Mullins and Mountcastle should be providing more consistentcy in their AB’s.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          1 month ago

          What has happened to Adley’s offense? Are teams pitching around him?

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        • O'sSayCanYouSee

          1 month ago

          suit — “10% of the game is 90% mental”. Adley has been his own nemesis, it seems; swing decisions, timing, bat control all seem to change within each AB.

          He’s still trying to do too much. Not letting the game come to him.

          I’m sure he’s dealing with the pressure/expectations poorly. And being a catcher, and the Orioles lack of hitting or pitching success, it’s probably felt by him more than the other young hitters.

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  19. walls17

    1 month ago

    Wow, didn’t think this would happen. There’s your reward for managing tanking teams! Now F-off!

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  20. cplwhite

    1 month ago

    Im all for firing a manager if its his time to go. But the team was not put together as a winner.

    This team was constructed to be 500 at best but draw the people in and go home. That’s it

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    • WadeBoggsWildRide

      1 month ago

      Without pitching injuries and an underperforming offense which should be top ten in the league they were looking like a 90 win team. Yankees, Orioles and Red Sox were looking like the 3 top teams in the division.

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  21. keysox

    1 month ago

    O’s are just the 2022 White Sox. Prospects all over hyped.
    No pitching.
    GM is horrible. Should’ve traded excess for pitching.

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    • Aiden Awe

      1 month ago

      2022 White Sox had a fine starting rotation, that team was a hit or a miss offense.

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    • King Floch

      1 month ago

      You might have a point if the performance of those prospects was the main issue this year, but since it’s not, you don’t.

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    • Samuel

      1 month ago

      keysox;

      In both cases bringing in and developing fundamentally strong players was lacking.

      Flash on highlight reels doesn’t show what’s happening in the game that led up to those points.

      As for hitting on things like the pitching and Ashley: The pitching was getting better in 2023, then they reassigned the pitching coach and brought in the current guy that’s awful. As for Ashley: He was a better all-around catcher when he first came up. Brendon Hyde doesn’t coach pitching or catching. The FO brought in those people, and they’re terrible. They don’t just hurt the teams performance, they ruin players careers……which is why quality FA’s have been staying away from the O’s. Players and their agents are not dumb.

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  22. DarrenDreifortsContract

    1 month ago

    Not his fault that they didn’t resign their ace and their top prospect has been mediocre at best.

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  23. Doug

    1 month ago

    Had they not been too cheap to buy him some good starting pitching, he’d still have a job.

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  24. jdgoat

    1 month ago

    Had to be done, the real problem is in the front office though. Anybody would have failed as manager after Elias’ horrible offseason.

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    • King Floch

      1 month ago

      Is it the manager’s job or the GM’s job to keep the team focused and playing fundamentally sound baseball from day to day?

      If the team didn’t look sloppy and unfocused every single night and was still losing, Hyde probably doesn’t get the axe (at least not yet anyway), but they have looked like a bunch of drunk little leaguers for awhile now.

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      • jdgoat

        1 month ago

        Agreed. Blame goes all the way around. He was put in a bad position by Elias, but didn’t do anything to warrant any security.

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        • King Floch

          1 month ago

          Yeah, it wasn’t entirely Hyde’s fault, mistakes were clearly made by the FO over the winter, but you simply cannot ignore amateurish clownshows like last night’s game forever.

          At some point, there have to be real consequences for the team looking like a bunch of unfocused, undisciplined goofballs night after night.

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    • I Like Big Bunts

      1 month ago

      Actually it didn’t but okay

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  25. HiredGun23

    1 month ago

    Oh damn…

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  26. dano62

    1 month ago

    The GM should have been the first to go – especially after last year’s disastrous trade with Miami (Stowers & Nordby for Mr Rodgers). His big pickup after losing Burnes? Soft-tossing Sugano & ol’ man Morton. Hyde could sue Elias for non-support!

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  27. td272

    1 month ago

    Unfortunate but had to happen. Elias owns the pitching mess and it’s inexcusable that they didn’t get a TOR arm by trade or free agency. The pen is also a problem he should have addressed. But the collapse of the offense dating back to the second half of last season is on the coaching staff and a move needed to be made.

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  28. unglar

    1 month ago

    Ownership is who I look to for blame, they had a golden setup, young cost controlled crew, farm system thriving, and starting to develop veteran talent from the core, but they needed two pitchers at least one high end and one medium end. I think max fried going to the Yankees was the worst part of the offseason for them, he should be in Baltimore along with a burns or a Gallen or even Flarehty or… Something!

    Maybe they change course and sign King and or cease this off-season and prove me wrong.

    They should be using their cheap core to allow for big pitching investments or prospects for pitching rentals like crochet. I thought a new owner would mean new direction but the lack of go-for-it signings looks like the whole ownership/front office screwed the pooch this year. But there’s still time, it’s 162 games in a season for a reason.

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    • WadeBoggsWildRide

      1 month ago

      Flaherty, Heaney, and Sugano signings along with 2 decent bullpen arms would have drastically changed this team’s outlook without breaking the bank. They got 1 out of 5.

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      • Jbigz12

        1 month ago

        Took hindsight to know that Heaney would work out so well.

        I agree he was a better roll of the dice than Gibson. Flaherty sulked and pitched like crap in Baltimore. I never saw that as a likely reunion.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          1 month ago

          They just both ended up signing so cheap. At some point you would think any team would have been willing to be at the offers they took.

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  29. Acoss1331

    1 month ago

    Orioles fans were saying Hyde was going to be canned and lo and behold. Their offseason was not great and it’s showing now…

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  30. OPACY

    1 month ago

    It’s about time. Hitting coach and pitching coach next. Time to clean house and bring in new coaching blood!

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    • WadeBoggsWildRide

      1 month ago

      Might be better to wait for the off-season then do a complete revamp.

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  31. Clofreesz

    1 month ago

    Can’t really blame him when the new owner is being cheap and their GM didn’t take any risks in the off-season.

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    • King Floch

      1 month ago

      Cheap?

      Rubenstein doubled the payroll in less than a year of ownership.

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      • Susannah

        1 month ago

        Don’t you know that every team that did not sign top 5 most expensive free agents per season is cheap? It does not matter what the payroll is. 😉

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  32. StudWinfield

    1 month ago

    Should have outbid the Yanks for Fried.

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    • Boston’s Alignment

      1 month ago

      Yes.

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  33. Sparky1000

    1 month ago

    For the Orioles, I think this is a step in the right direction. To really fix things they should boot the coaches and GM next. Doing almost nothing in the off season is questionable.

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  34. bravesfan

    1 month ago

    What does each team that fired their manager have in common? Rockies, O’s, and Pirates…

    Each are organizations that are poorly managed and have been for a long time …and their manager on the field truly had very little to do with the results on the field. Each organization refused to add any notable talent or speed any more to complement the young talent they have on the field. That’s particularly true for the Pirates and O’s. The Rockies are truly the worse run organization in all of baseball… they are cheap, when they spend money they miss horribly, and their drafts and farm have produce very little true major league talent. And the little that they have, are wasting away and getting worse because they play with bad talent around them. What happened to all those pitchers in the pitchers only drafts a few years ago? None of those guys are doing anything? I mean, it’s sad. I wish baseball had a way to punish the owners of these teams and hold them accountable to the fans that desperately want them to produce a quality product on the field. Rockies fans would be thrilled if they could even put up a competitive team at the moment… just something that gave them hope that they could be in the game and possibly win. They could care less about playoffs right now.. they just want something that gives them any shred of hope

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    • FormerHero

      1 month ago

      Your comments about the Rocks resonates where the Pirates are concerned. Good pitching that’s often wasted is the only difference. Ultra weak hitting with apparently no front office desire to change anything, and no cavalry coming over the hill where the farm is concerned

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    • Boston’s Alignment

      1 month ago

      Great post, Braves. I wish all the comments were this thoughtful.

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  35. mad1

    1 month ago

    Another manager paying the price for front office bad decisions

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  36. misterb71

    1 month ago

    The target on Elias just got 10 times bigger. Everybody knows why this team fell short and it can all be traced back to an incredibly weak offseason when it was the time to seize the opportunity the core of this Oriole roster presented. Throwing contracts at Morton, Sanchez and O’Neill would not have been terrible if they weren’t the top 3 acquisitions. If Morton was brought in to be a 4th/5th starter and O’Neill was the second new outfielder behind a top-tier signing Elias wouldn’t be in trouble, but now he most certainly is.

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  37. Free Palestine

    1 month ago

    Elias needs to realize the cost of pitching peaks every July. That’s why you load up in the winter

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    • Boston’s Alignment

      1 month ago

      See Stearns, David.

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  38. Mehmehmeh

    1 month ago

    Rough to see. You’d think that if a manager is patient to take all the Ls during a rough rebuild, the team would also be patient with the manager.. especially when the current season is primarily a result of the team deciding to be cheap when acquiring starting pitching.

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  39. Birdman Jr

    1 month ago

    In the off-season owner David Rubenstein told Mike Elias the check book was open to sign burnes back but Elias didn’t want to give him the yrs he wanted on the deal. Then Elias goes and signs bums like Tyler O’Neal for 3yrs 49.5 million with a opt out in yr one and he think he’ll opt out heck no then we sign the old geezer Charlie Morton who can’t even go 5 innings without giving up 90 runs the signs a sorry backup catcher Gary Sanchez who’s sitting on the injuried reserve oh wait also I forgot that’s where Tyler oh I’m always hurt O’Neil is too again. Only thing that Elias did good was the Sugano signing and watch if Elias is still here he won’t offer him a good enough contract to stay. Now it’s time for Elias to be next and thank God Tony Massalino isn’t the 3rd base coach but what I don’t understand is why didn’t they make chirinos the intern coach if he’s the assistant coach.

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    • Whyme

      1 month ago

      I’m pretty sure the Jay’s offered more $ to Burnes but he rather play home then for the extra $.

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  40. chandlerbing

    1 month ago

    do o’s rly believe by firing hyde + replacing him with the 3rd base coach is going to magically turn the tm into WS contenders?

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    • Roguesaw2

      1 month ago

      No, but there is something to be said about getting a new voice in the room. If they still think the can compete, guys like Buck, Girardi, and Mattingly are out there. If not, let the interim guy have the team for the year. Sell off some parts. Start over in the off-season.

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      • chandlerbing

        1 month ago

        Bring buck back? Seriously? Cmon man

        Os dont need to “start over”
        They got tons of young pieces + more prospects on the way. Oneill has been garbage. Needed an arm over the offseason & they didnt get it done. Also a ton of injuries. None of this is managers fault

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        • Roguesaw2

          1 month ago

          Buck competed with a bunch of number 4 and 5 starters his last time through. If you think this squad can compete, this year, that’s your guy. He’d hit the ground running.

          A lot of this is the managers fault. And a lot of this is the GMs fault. Elias needs to fix the former before Rubinstein chooses to fix the latter.

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  41. deepseamonster32

    1 month ago

    One of the flaws of a six-year hibernation. It’s never a guarantee of long-term success. 2 exhilarating seasons each ending in hurried playoff exits. Is that worth 115 losses 3 years in a row?

    Better hope the O’s are hitting a speed bump, rather than whitesoxxing it.

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    • Herc33

      1 month ago

      I feel like getting swept in the playoffs the past two years is a big factor here. Hyde never even won a playoff game and now it looks like they’re going to have to start over/retool. If they had been able to capitalize a little more in 23 or 24 he probably would have been given a longer leash.

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  42. King Floch

    1 month ago

    You can question Mike Elias’ offseason moves until the cows come home, but it’s not his fault that the team looked sloppy and unmotivated for the last month plus.

    It’s the manager’s job to keep guys focused and playing fundamentally sound baseball, and Brandon Hyde was failing at that night in and night out.

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    • Roguesaw2

      1 month ago

      This.

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  43. BaseballBrian

    1 month ago

    Should’ve been canned at end of 2024, his bad decisions cost them the division.

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  44. DCComics

    1 month ago

    At the end of the year, Davey Martinez of the Nats will become the new manager, as he is the ‘’manager for rebuilding teams’. He will move on from the Nats and their one-year-at-a-time extensions. They might can him anyway.

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  45. WSnotAstros2017

    1 month ago

    A lot of things happening with Baltimore are happening with Astros. We do not have a true GM. Our manager does not have the team. We got rid of Bregman and Tucker and they are thriving elsewhere. The people we got in Tucker trade the pitcher is hurt, Cam has not shown a lot in the big leagues consistently enough. Paredes has been ok. Even getting Walker has not been great. Our hitting coaches have been horrid. Been with us for a good few years. Our best GM has been Luhnow over last decade. Click was ok but our ownership is Quack Crane and Bagwell. Yes Paredes and Walker were good with former teams but here are not. Our starting pitching is in trouble. Only Framber who could be gone after this season. Brown has been good and Blanco getting it back together at moment. McCullers is back but has been going like he is in rehab. Arrighetti is hurt as well. But ownership for us has left the building. Have not done things right in some time. Astros are pathetic to watch these days. Granted bats were hot late last night. But we need better now. If had better ownership or such Espada would be gone and our hitting coaches too.

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    • JackStrawb

      1 month ago

      “Paredes has been ok.”

      Paredes is on track for a 7 bWAR season. Tucker? Just 6bWAR.

      I’d say that’s ‘ok.’

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  46. Boston’s Alignment

    1 month ago

    The Mets were widely criticized for accumulating a staff full back of the rotation guys. MIKE FREAKING ELIAS, hellooooooo!!!! Take notes Bro!

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  47. Geebs

    1 month ago

    i get why they made this move, but i mean this pitching staff sucks. They seemingly did the rebuild based on the old saying that you grow hitters and buy pitchers, but that only works if you actually buy the pitchers.

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    • Enrico Pallazzo

      1 month ago

      Woopsie! Forgot step 2!

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  48. SonnySteele

    1 month ago

    What’s the record for managers being fired in first two months of the season? I would think this year’s total of three is at least close.

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  49. Monkey’s Uncle

    1 month ago

    Seemed similar to Shelton in Pittsburgh in one respect: nobody blamed either manager exclusively, but most agree that the managerial message had gotten very stale and that they were mostly just sitting there saying and doing the same old things instead of trying something, anything to change things around.

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    • King Floch

      1 month ago

      Oh wow, an intelligent post. How refreshing.

      It’s obviously not Hyde’s fault entirely, he clearly doesn’t get the blame for some of Mike Elias’ offseason moves not working out in spectacular fashion (i.e. Morton), but it is 100% his job to keep the team focused and playing fundamentally sound baseball, and he had been failing miserably at that for quite awhile.

      Losing because you just flat out suck is one thing, but losing game after game because the team is consistently sloppy and unfocused is quite another, and that is what Hyde’s management was producing night in and night out. Whatever his message/method was, it was clearly not working anymore, and a new voice was needed.

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  50. AL B DAMNED

    1 month ago

    You failed to teach the pitching staff
    The Football Slider! You’re Fired!

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  51. CTS4

    1 month ago

    Hey Rogers look at this !! Time to FIRE the Lousy GM shapiro and his lackie atkins in Toronto !!

    They need to Go !!

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    • ChuckyNJ

      1 month ago

      That’ll go over well, sacking the top brass in Toronto when all eyes in Canada are on the Maple Leafs hopefully knocking Florida out of the Stanley Cup tournament.

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      • Thornton Mellon

        1 month ago

        Chucky-if you’ve been around hockey long enough, you know that the Leafs won Game 6 just to increase the heartbreak of losing Game 7 that much bigger.

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  52. christaylormvp

    1 month ago

    Hyde and Cossins are friends from Santa Rosa, CA, so no surprise there.

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  53. Rsox

    1 month ago

    Not surprising. Hyde was never really the guy to guide them out of the rebuild when they were ready to compete and I’m surprised they kept him this long

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    • 86mets

      1 month ago

      Seriously? He DID lead them out of the rebuild. His teams the last 2-3 years have been really good. This years result is more on the new owner and the FO for failing to put a better team on the field.

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  54. Alan53

    1 month ago

    @Mike Elias: It should be, “and we wish HIM and his family the best,” not “he and his family.

    Object pronouns should be used to replace nouns in object positions in sentences. This is a simple and basic point, not some abstruse obsession of the “grammar police.”

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    • basquiat

      1 month ago

      Thank you. The objective case seems to have disappeared from the English language.

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    • Windowpane

      1 month ago

      Youse may be onto something.

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    • JackStrawb

      1 month ago

      As for the less literate, just imagine the sentence ends with “and we wish ___ the best.”

      It makes “him” versus “he” more obvious.

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      • Alan53

        1 month ago

        Yes. It’s the compound object that foxes people.

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  55. mrmackey

    1 month ago

    Is Matt Jeckell in to coaching? If the Os want to move 180 degrees in a new direction he should be their man.

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  56. 86mets

    1 month ago

    Elias is far more to blame, as well as the new owner. They made no effort to replace Burnes. Unless you consider Charlie Morton and Sugano. In a tough division you need pitching, good pitching, not just warm bodies like Morton. Hyde did not deserve this imo. They lost offense (Santander) and pitching (Burnes) and replaced them with dent and scratch sale level talent. And the FO and ownership is surprised their dumpster diving approach has failed? Give me a break.

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    • King Floch

      1 month ago

      It’s the manager’s job to keep his players focused and playing fundamentally sound baseball, and this team has been neither of those things for a long time now.

      If they didn’t look so sloppy and unfocused while losing night after night, Hyde probably still has job right now.

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      • Roguesaw2

        1 month ago

        There’s a difference between losing, and living with dignity. This team doesn’t doesn’t lose with dignity.

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  57. Joeypower

    1 month ago

    Problem solved!!! From now on watch every pitcher throwing 8 shutout innings.

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  58. Stan "The Boy" Taylor

    1 month ago

    The General Managers gotta manage better, the players have to play better, and the owners have to own better.

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  59. Old York

    1 month ago

    Really unfortunate. Guy wasn’t given the resources needed to keep up the competitive window. O’s blew their window, much like the Jays did. If they’re smart, they’d start selling off players in July to get a great haul to rebuild but they won’t.

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    • King Floch

      1 month ago

      Why would they need to rebuild when their two biggest issues this year have been injuries and underperforming veterans?

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      • Old York

        1 month ago

        @King Floch

        Because they’re a poorly constructed rebuild. I said the same for the Jays years ago and here we are, doubling down on Vlad Jr. and continuing to fail forwards. O’s are running the same failed rebuild.

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        • King Floch

          1 month ago

          What a silly, ridiculous take. There is literally no reason to rebuild right now. It would be like getting rid of a sports car just because it has a flat tire.

          The young core produced by the rebuild hasn’t been the main culprit behind the Orioles’ stuggles this year, it’s been a deluge of injuries and underperforming veterans that aren’t part of the long-term core.

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        • Old York

          1 month ago

          @King Floch

          You are sounding like the Jays fans a few years ago. Hilarious!

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        • King Floch

          1 month ago

          Wow, you sure trolled me!

          You’re still objectively wrong though.

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        • Roguesaw2

          1 month ago

          Always been a fan of “buy the arms and build the bats.” Of course, one does need to actually buy the arms to make that work….

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        • King Floch

          1 month ago

          Roguesaw- True, and I fully expect that Rubenstein will sternly remind Elias that he has a much wider open checkbook with which to sign quality pitching this offseason than he did under Angelos, and perhaps also remind him that if he doesn’t take advantage of that, he can always find someone else who will.

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        • Roguesaw2

          1 month ago

          Really seemed like there was some discord there. The hubris of Elias to refuse the blank check because he was smarter and could build a better way. :shrugs: I like what Elias has done, but in a what have you done for me lately business: adapt or be fired. Right, Hyde?

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        • King Floch

          1 month ago

          During his chat here last night, Mark was asked if the Orioles should consider another rebuild and his response was basically “lol no, don’t be ridiculous.”

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  60. King Floch

    1 month ago

    He already did though.

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  61. hardawg

    1 month ago

    A ton of non-DEIs just don’t pan out.

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  62. ThonolansGhost

    1 month ago

    This was inevitable.

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  63. Ltsz2904

    1 month ago

    WHEN will Red Sox brass follow? Cora needs to go!

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    • Roguesaw2

      1 month ago

      No he doesn’t. Keep him there. Forever. Please 🙏

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  64. Easy as 1 2 3

    1 month ago

    See the Theo Epstein approach only works if you pay for proven pitching

    Draft hitters
    Pay for proven pitchers

    Not draft hitters
    And throw crap at the walk hoping something sticks for pitching

    It was a simple off season
    Resign Burnes
    Trade for Crochet or Cease or King or some ace

    You’d have Crochet, Burnes, Sugano which would definitely be a god send compared to what’s happening now

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    • CleaverGreene

      1 month ago

      Crochet was over priced in prospect captital
      Burnes was overpriced as 30+ yo SP and want the desert as home.
      Cease and King were gonna be too expensive also.

      The Orioles didn’t need top SP they needed SP depth and Elias brought tin no one. Plenty were available at lower FA prices.

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      • Easy as 1 2 3

        1 month ago

        He brought in “depth” lmao signed

        Sugano
        Morton
        Gibson

        And no. There’s not many “cheaper” guys. There’s guys who got multi year deals at lower aav but no very few 1 year deals like what Sugano Morton Gibson got actually would have helped this team.

        Orioles didn’t need depth they needed top of the rotation arms

        “Oh no top of the rotation guys are expensive”

        Gee I wonder why. Congrats you’re holding onto prospects who don’t have positions to play and wasting cheap years on a young core

        Could have signed Fried. Could have signed. Burnes. Could have traded for Cease or King
        and replace prospects lost with international free agents and draft picks

        It’s hard to feel sorry for Orioles when “Orioles need starting pitching” has been a reoccurring theme for 3 years now.

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        • martevious

          1 month ago

          Exactly! It hard to feel sorry for them when they are exactly where management chose for them to be by not giving them any starting pitching. It’s time to stop firing coaches and start firing upper management

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        • Thornton Mellon

          1 month ago

          He miscalculated with the pitching and assumed the best seen of all the starers would be reproduced for all of 2025.

          Rodriguez and Bradish were among MLB’s best 5 or 6 starters in the 2nd half of 2023. Like many fans, he assumed he had his top pitchers – Rodriguez would be back in April and stay healthy, they’d make do until Bradish returned. Eflin, who pitched his best career stretch in late 2024, would certainly reproduce something close to that in 2025.

          Kremer? He’d figure it out and weed out those clunkers, so he’d be above average. Suarez would return from the league average season he had out of nowhere for most of last season and put it up again. Povich had 4 really good starts in his last 5, he’ll be good for all 2025.

          So he supplemented with Sugano, thinking he outsmarted everyone getting him for less than he’d pay pitchers like that here. Decent results so far…underlying metrics not great, too early to tell both because he’s striking more guys out but also giving up more fly balls, and has to get through a hot humid Baltimore summer. Morton wouldn’t have been needed, but this was the “veteran innings eater.”

          A lot of people agreed with how Elias seemed to see it. I wasn’t high at all on the rotation, I miscalculated and said the lineup would even it out and they’d win 82, 83 games. I think the offense they have can be fixed, but the rotation they have cannot, they have to buy the arms.

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        • JackStrawb

          1 month ago

          They also deserve excoriating for allowing Morton to pitch as much as he has. He clearly has nothing, and had nothing from his first start.

          No well run team lets that guy throw 36 innings for them, no matter what they’re paying him.

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        • Thornton Mellon

          1 month ago

          Its sad for Morton, it reminds me as an Orioles fan when Scott McGregor lost it and was kept around for nearly a full season afterward getting more starts when he clearly had nothing. I didn’t think I’d have to watch anything worse than Morton pitching this year.

          Enter Gibson.

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  65. Dice 66

    1 month ago

    Pirates and Orioles perfect trade partners since start of season! No deals by GM’S seems pretty stupid, now managers are gone!? Really? No excuse!!

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  66. Carcass Melancholy

    1 month ago

    This was the right move. Complicated by the idea that the front office has done poorly and how could he win with this roster and injuries. Maybe he couldn’t win with this hand but think the problem is he maybe cant win with a good hand either. I have not been impressed, good times and bad and have been waiting for this. The front office failed and the manager failed. Neither gets a pass for the other’s failings.

    Agree with the comments that this has been a terrible organization at developing pitching for a very long time. I’ll add retaining. Maybe call it the Mussina curse. I mean Steve Stone Mike Flanagan Scott McGregor Mike Boddicker, they were fine back then, 40 years ago. I remember thinking with Matusz Britton Arrieta, okay we finally got it. Our top tier 1 2 3 But no, it just just did not work. Not one worked as an SP. Arrieta goes to Chicago, brilliant. Guthrie and his 12 wins the best we could hope for for years. You have to own it and overcompensate. The Texas Rangers did. Historically tough to have a nice 1 to 5 for them so in the offseason add 4 SPs. Win a championship. Overdo it not underdo it.

    I do feel Elias should be let go today. Mostly cause this draft needs to be about correcting on the front office pitching fails and overcompensating. Elias just seems to hate using any sort of capital, draft or trade or financial, for pitching. Because of that think he is not the right guy here or maybe anywhere. If he has to be kept or given a shot for a while think he needs to sit down with the owner and be told you will focus on and spend on and draft pitching. Your approach needs to change.

    Also think no credit is deserved for producing a winning team after years of hardcore intentional tanking. The success looks so impressive after the fail and wow he climbed out of the hole. But he made the hole or remained in it longer than necessary. The losses count too. It was possible to try to be competitive again without staying rock bottom for so long. The perception is they need the draft picks low to improve but it doesn’t always work that way. So far the best pick was Gunnar who was like #35. Often Elias was picking the 10th ranked prospect with the 2nd overall pick so the all out tank was unnecessary.

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    • Roguesaw2

      1 month ago

      I’m comfortable with how he drafts. But he doesn’t complement his own draft strategy. If you’re going to let other teams develop the better pitching talent for you, you do have to go acquire those pitchers from them. Whether by trade or signing. Mayo should have be dealt. Deal Basallo, too. Or keep them and deal Adley. Deal SOMETHING. If you’re not going to use premium draft capital on pitching, and also not use premium prospect capital or cash on pitching, well… this happens.

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  67. joshb600

    1 month ago

    All these teams firing managers and for some reason the Jays won’t get rid of Schneider. Ugh

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  68. Jarren Duran's Tennis Racket

    1 month ago

    Did it really seem hard to fathom 2 months ago? Baltimore has not won a postseason game (not series, game) since 2014.

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  69. Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee

    1 month ago

    That window sure closed quick. Time for another rebuild….

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  70. letitbelowenstein

    1 month ago

    John Henry, hire this man!

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  71. Astros West Texas

    1 month ago

    “A lot of guys know we should have won more games, so it sucks in time, but the reality is, just got to go out there and continue to play baseball,” Henderson said. “Fans are going to come out and support us. We’ve got to play for them, play for the guys in this clubhouse. It sucks, but that’s just the reality of it.”

    Added Eflin: “It sucks [that] it’s as a result of us sucking, but we’re going to continue to try to go out there every single day and fight, because the season’s not over. The season’s not lost. We’re going to go out there with our hair on fire and do everything we can to win baseball games.”

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  72. Non Roster Invitee

    1 month ago

    Big news here in NorCal wine country! Shocked to see our local guy fired.
    The way they lost yesterday was something out of Camilo Dovals book. Today it’s 4-0 Nats without even an out made and Mullins with a bonehead play. Hyde’s fault? I think not.

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  73. positively_broad_st

    1 month ago

    Elias made terrible decisions dating back to last season’s trade deadline. His off-season wasn’t really good either. I’ve always been indifferent on Hyde, but the current results are definitely affected by Elias’ mismanagement of roster construction…

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  74. Herc33

    1 month ago

    There was a lot of bad D that inning. Kjerstad let a runner get an extra base getting to the ball slow, missed a cut off man and booted a ball off the wall too.

    I don’t know how they give Kyle Gibson another start, that was a rough watch.

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    • JackStrawb

      1 month ago

      Morton and Gibson, both. If a GM can’t find guys who can pitch to a 4.75 ERA essentially at will, fire him. Leaving those two out there for even one more appearance, never mind a start, is a firing offense.

      Having pitched either one more than one start is also a firing offense. You can’t look at a pitcher like either one of them and think “well, we’re paying him, might as well try to get our money’s worth.” You bring up Brnovich or Brandon Young from Norfolk, or Pham or Bragg from Chesapeake. Anything but continuing to send out Morton and Gibson.

      Teams like the Dodgers and Mets don’t tolerate this kind of thing. If your FIP or your ERA aren’t under 5.00, you’re gone. The most innings the Dodgers have given a guy lacking either is 9. That’s it. They have a bunch of guys who were lousy, but they’ve all pitched 4 innings or fewer. Giving someone like Morton 36 innings is unthinkable. It just wouldn’t happen.

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  75. Mr. McNasty

    1 month ago

    YOU. STILL. HAVE. NO. PITCHING.

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  76. websoulsurfer

    1 month ago

    Hyde being next was a no-brainer, even though the fault is on Elias.

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  77. 3 finger split

    1 month ago

    The Orioles are a perfect example of how tight the window for success is for either mid level teams or have owners that just treat their team like an ATM machine…they had to lose a lot to have a 2-3 year window and they squandered the opportunity…the Diamond Backs,Brewers, Padres also come to mind as always just good enough to stay competitive but can’t finish the deal.
    The Orioles have some really good young talent but are also disjointed and as a baseball fan it’s painful to watch

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    • websoulsurfer

      1 month ago

      The Padres have been in the playoffs 3 of the last 5 years and would have been in the playoffs in 2023 if not for Sleepy Bob. If the season ended today, they would be in this year. Obviously, their window has not closed.

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  78. Jim Carter

    1 month ago

    The new manager is seeing the same sloppy defense and poor pitching. Good move Elias! 🤣

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  79. Greentreant

    1 month ago

    Stupid to fire a manager mid-season. You can always tell what kind of establishment is set in place when that occurs.

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    • yeasties

      1 month ago

      Agree only when the move is purely reactive. Teams should fire a manager in mid-season because they think the season can be salvaged, or they think the season is lost already and want to give their new guy a break-in period.

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  80. martevious

    1 month ago

    Biggest cop-out ever! It’s not the managers fault the GM didn’t provide him with any starters.

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  81. Berischa

    1 month ago

    I really respected Hyde for the work he did the last couples of years, he even won if I am not wrong Manager of the Year but honestly, IMO he got too complicent with the kids, he trusted too much and also he exagerated in changing players almost everyday, he didn’t let the players to play long enough to get the their rythming, they had a good day and next day were off the lineup, IMO you have to be more consistent with your lineup, he was too much into left vs left, right vs right, etc.. you will not win games if you don’t let players to play consistently, also rookies like Mayo and others, they were called up, give them 3 games chance and if they didn’t produced? They were sent down, you nee to be patient and let a team to be consistent without too many changes, same witb the pitchers, analitics are good but not in excess

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  82. Cora the Destroya

    1 month ago

    Red Sox should take notes

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  83. Brick House Coffee Tables Inc

    1 month ago

    This team reminds me of the 2016-2017 Pirates. Wild card performances in 2014-2015 but then fell apart and ownership didn’t bolster the youth. Then they decided to start trading anyone nearing free agency (starting with McCutchen) and fell into the abyss.

    What is going to happen in Baltimore as these young players become arbitration-eligible??

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  84. Mantle536

    1 month ago

    Like the earlier firing in Pittsburg, this is an example of a crappy GM & a lousy ownership not giving their manager a team good enough to contend, and then Blaming the Manager — instead of the GM & Owner — for not contending.

    The firing in Pittsburg was even more egregious than this one because the Pittsburg manager was being asked to win with a hybrid AAA roster, plus 1 or 2 stars.

    In the O’s case, the GM & Owner Failed to assemble an MLB-quality pitching staff to contend.

    But, hey, it’s so much easier to Blame the Manager who you screwed, than admit you screwed up, right?

    And that revelation comes from a Yankees fan who deeply appreciate your screwing up: Thank you!

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    • THEY LIVE!!!

      1 month ago

      Exactly‼️

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  85. ericl

    1 month ago

    Changing the manger isn’t going to chance the fact that the Orioles starting pitching is terrible

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  86. ba$eba||F@n21

    1 month ago

    This was the only correct move. Hyde had ample talent to work with outside of pitching concerns and he just wasn’t getting enough out of that talent. Offensively, they are underperforming. Defense looks unprepared and the base running isn’t too hot either. Those are all areas that the manager is responsible for, to set his team up for success and to get the most out of his talent – he did neither. He likely started to lose the clubhouse toward the end of last season and the injuries compounded everything and he had to know his days were numbered. Even with the injuries and poor pitching, the offense and defense were atrocious and were performing well under their capabilities, that is squarely on the manager.

    Elias and some of his decisions over the past 12 months definitely deserve criticism but that is a different conversation. This move with Hyde was necessary and probably a week or so overdue.

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    • websoulsurfer

      1 month ago

      The drop from a 3.77 ERA to a 6.01 ERA from the Orioles starting pitching obviously showed there was not enough talent. The hitting went from a 115 wRC+ to a 97 wRC+. The defense went from a 1 DRS to a -2 DRS.

      The changes in both hitting and defense are relatively minor differences. The drop off in starting pitching was catastrophic. That is 100% on Elias for not providing the starting pitchers needed to contend.

      That you don’t know that is why you shouldn’t be commenting.

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      • ba$eba||F@n21

        4 weeks ago

        I clearly stated outside of the pitching concerns. Just so you understand, because clearly you didn’t, that meant that there WERE pitching concerns. That you could not understand that in the context is exactly why you need to take several seats before trying to come at someone like you are some type of authority or comment cop.

        You can quote your analytical data all day long, it makes no argument whatsoever when someone has already stated there was very obvious underperformance. A team that suddenly can’t play fundamentally sound baseball, when they have shown the ability to do so over an extended period in the recent past, is a team that the manager has lost control of, is unable to keep focused, is a very clear indicator of required change. It doesn’t matter to what extent things have fallen off, it’s the very fact that they have fallen off. Hyde has had his in game decisions questioned for some time now, it is not a surprise that he’s gone. It was never a question of if the team would make a manager change, but when.

        Elias should have done more to solidify the pitching, there is zero debate there. Burnes was never coming back and other starters should have been pursued aggressively. We obviously don’t know for sure what offers were made and to which players, as he is known to play things very close to the vest, but on it’s face, short of the high annual value offered to Burnes, there was little to no rumblings of offers made to other impact starters. He seemingly has an unwillingness to go longer term on contracts for starters and hasn’t had good results in trades for starters, so very clearly a glaring area for imp, with zero pushback from me there.

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  87. THEY LIVE!!!

    1 month ago

    Paging Dr. Jekyl.

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  88. Thornton Mellon

    1 month ago

    I thought that Hyde should have been gone at the end of last season and I did not think Elias did anywhere near enough for the rotation. I predicted 82 or 83 wins this year and was raked over the coals here, surely having several options for a 4th and 5th spot for the rotation would do it, I was told, and the young hitters would progress.

    As others mentioned, the sloppy and listless play, lack of hustle, lack of execution, that’s all Hyde and he should take the fall for it. If it’s a supposed joint decision to set a lineup, then he needed to say I’m the manager, I have better ideas because things aren’t working. Here are some of those examples:
    – Leadoff hitters coming into today – hitting .170 with .247 OBP
    – #2 spot with a .280 OBP
    – 2nd highest batting average and OBP coming from #8 hitter

    While at least the most productive slot has been #3, the next two have been #7 and #8. Why? Because Hyde put Mountcastle at cleanup a lot. Mullins was batting 7th or 8th when hot and he cooled off only when Hyde finally moved him up. Things like that.

    The other thing was the pitching. Earlier in the year during the few good outings starters were having, pitchers were getting pulled after 70 to 80 pitches when there were no injury issues. Frying the bullpen was going to become an issue. Akin, Baker, Soto, Bowman were all pitching lights out and it wasn’t long before all were on pace for over 70 appearances. Well, they have all faded (minus Baker, whose FIP has slipped so he may be next). In May, because the rotation is that bad. Hyde was an expert at leaving a pitcher in a couple batters too long.

    With the 2023 team mentioned earlier, they hit .287 with RISP and did very well in high leverage situations as a team. They went 30-16 in one run games. They had a shut down bullpen. They got the best, healthy half season out of BOTH Rodriguez and Bradish that they’ve produced in their careers. That was a 90-win on paper that uber achieved. Even though the 2024 offense was better overall and the younger players overall put up better stats despite 2nd half fall offs/injuries, the situational hitting excellence the team had in 2023 reversed and now its really bad.

    Was Hyde a terrible manager because he managed a team that lost 110 games? No. Does he deserve full credit for 101 wins? No. I would not be surprised if he goes somewhere else and the team does well. But he lost effectiveness the 2nd half of last year and it was apparent he was doing nothing this year to help the team.

    As for the rotation itself, different conversation. I am not sure I want Elias around in July or this winter but he’s likely going to be.

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    • RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

      1 month ago

      Not reading all that..

      Can you still do the Tripple Lindy?

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  89. GarryHarris

    1 month ago

    It’s just not the Os year.
    Beginning in the 2nd half of 2022, the Os were fundamentally sound and very exciting. Now, all the homegrown talent can’t play baseball. Also, the pen seems to be mismanaged because Yennier Cano, Felix Bautista and Bryan Baker are better than their results show.
    I don’t blame the GM for the pitching. A rotation of Grayson Rodriguez, Zach Efflin, Dean Kremer, Kyle Bradish and a combination of Kyle Gibson-Charlie Morton-Tomoyuki Sugano appears to be very good.

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    • CleaverGreene

      1 month ago

      That pitching staff appears to be good? Good for what last place? Grayson, Efflin are know injury risks. Kremer is a 6th starter on a bad team. Gibson and Morton are done. Bradish is out until August with no guarantees.

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      • GarryHarris

        1 month ago

        But preseason it looked good.

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  90. gorav114

    1 month ago

    Going into the season I wouldn’t have considered getting rid of Hyde. Then I wouldn’t blame him for all the injuries. Everything else though has been poor. Taking veteran pitchers out at 4 2/3 with 70 pitches and changing the lineup every single day was definitely getting old.

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  91. Whyme

    1 month ago

    I find it funny that people are already giving up on the O’s. They still have decent prospects. Sure they need to add pitching and a thumper in the lineup but they have the payroll capability and prospects to do so.

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  92. Dickiesox

    1 month ago

    Fired managers always seem to get praised on their way out the door followed by “unfortunately, a change was needed”. That’s BS. Justify the termination with other details besides the most obvious losing record of the team. I get trying to be classy but at the end of the day, this is a game viewed for entertainment. I’m not saying bash the guy but I want to know what the teams expectations were (besides winning) and how or why the person being fired fell short.

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  93. MLBTR needs to hire editors

    1 month ago

    When “but” or “and” begins the sentence, it shouldn’t have a comma after it.

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  94. HALfromVA

    1 month ago

    Tightwad ownership created this mess. They followed the Astro’s tanking blueprint for years, and when they stacked up a plethora of high draft picks, they refused to spend the money on quality starters, and refused to trade away from the stockpile of young offensive talent, to acquire established starters. If I was a O’s fan, I would be so pissed off.

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      4 weeks ago

      They became overly content and patted themselves on the back for a partially completed turnaround when they essentially had loaded up by tanking in back to back to back seasons. No longer possible to do that so let’s see if they can find any takers for some of their overhyped prospects

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  95. The Saber-toothed Superfife

    4 weeks ago

    The O’s should hire….
    Al Avila!

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