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chesteraarthur
So kendrick, saunders, and coghlan are gonna make one of the worst offenses middle of the pack? Not seeing it
rgreen
A full season of Tommy Joseph,instead of a half a season of Ryan Howard.Kendrick instead of Bourjos.Saunders instead of a 200 hitting Altherr.a rebound year from Franco.Altherr on the bench instead of Cedric Hunter,so in turn,a rebound from him to a 250 ba would be a big improvement.possible,if not probable callups of Crawford and Williams.
Gotta remember the difference between what we did in the 1st half,when Bourjos was hitting,compared to the 2nd half,when nobody besides Herrera and Hernandez was hitting.
sngehl01
I don’t see how Quinn isn’t in the opening day lineup. Dude has great speed, puts the bat on the ball, walks a reasonable amount. Gotta give a guy like him a shot.
rgreen
I forgot to even mention him.
But other then the 15 game callup last year,hes never played above aa.with Herrera,Hernandez and Kendrick hitting in the top 3 spots,we could have him getting 3 at bats hitting in the bottom of our lineup,or we could have him hitting in 1 of the top 2 spots in lehigh.and he struck out 19 times in 57 at bats last year,he could use a little seasoning before coming up for regular duty.
money
Every time Quinn is put in the lineup for any length of time he injures himself. Even if he doesn’t I can’t see him as anymore than a Ben Revere clone, something this lineup doesn’t need in a made for home run ballpark..
If Coghlan is anymore than a pinch hit, late inning defensive replacement type then this offense more than likely stinks.
DannyQ3913
He has bad legs
chesteraarthur
you’re deluding yourself if you think any of that is enough to jump as many teams as they would need to.
rgreen
I think not having Howard alone will improve us.Kendrick coming off a career worst season is iffy,but Saunders producing the way he did the 1st half of last season,i think we could definitely jump up alot.and him hitting in citizens bank,its certainly a possibility.
Herrera-Hernandez-Kendrick-Franco-Saunders-Joseph-Rupp-Galvis.
Say im deluding myself all ya want,but i think thats a pretty decent lineup.then at some point Crawford takes over at ss,and the potential grows.
chesteraarthur
You are again just looking at it through rose colored glasses. Yeah, losing howard helps, and if everyone plays well, that helps. I can say that about every single team in baseball.
The phils were dead last in wRC+. 30/30. you’re looking at them needing to jump about 15 teams if you want them to be a middle of the pack offense in mlb and 7 if you want that in NL only. So yes, I think you are deluding yourself if you think the kind of changes that have been made are enough to change their production that much.
rgreen
Hey buddy,my glasses are standard with gray frames.so ha,you’re wrong about those.
But yea,you could say that about all teams.but most teams arent developing.adding 2 professional veterans,not only to the lineup,but to get into the young players ears,will improve every spot in the lineup.
chesteraarthur
So if everything goes 99% percentile outcome and everyone does well and no one regresses, they can be middle of the pack. Yeah, great topic to write a story about. You know how many teams could be X offense or Y pitching staff or heck even a Z win team if everyone only looks at positive possible outcomes for stuff?
And the reason the phils were good in the first half was pitching and luck. There is a reason no one was surprised when they fell off a cliff.
lesterdnightfly
Some people must have endless pocket change … they put in their 2 cents worth at every chance.
rgreen
Like you’re doing with that comment
bravesfan88
With a line-up of Hernandez, Galvis, Franco, Saunders, Joseph, Rupp, Kendrick, and Odubel/Coghlan….I could definitely see some improvement there, some from the additions of Saunders and Kendrick, but mainly the improvement in their offense should come from players taking a step forward.
To say their offense will improve from the worst to being in the middle of the pack, I think is the VERY best case scenario for the Phils..Most like they will make some improvements, but they will still end up as one of the worst offenses in baseball…If I had to take a guess, I would say realistically, they will still finish around 25th-26th in the league.
noobsaibot
“A fighting chance at fielding a middle-of-the-pack offense this season.” doesn’t imply that they WILL be in the middle of the pack.. It implies that it’s within the realm of possibility, which it is, and given the word used (fight) it further implies that it won’t be easy.
chesteraarthur
oh well then i guess everyone has a fighting chance of making the playoffs, right? Guess everyone should write an article about that!
noobsaibot
Yeah except nitpicking an article for saying a team has a chance at being average when the words explicitly state its intent is just as ignorant as your comment denuding my original post if you decide to throw in teams which are favored not only to make the playoffs but to win the WS. We can both agree that the newsworthiness of this isn’t grandiose but it’s also Feb. 7th. We’re all dying of thirst over here and baseball is coming.
chesteraarthur
so it’s ok to just spit out crap stories based on fantasy outcomes with click baity titles and for some reason those articles should be free from disagreement because they hide behind a vale of ambiguity? Gotcha…
You can write the same story about their offense without the click baity headline by simply explaining that it is a rough year ahead for their offense, but they have added some veterans to help the young players and offer versatility to their lineup or something of that sort. And add something about how you hope that the younger players rebound/step forward/continue development through the 2017 season as they make strides to field a more competitive and legitimate offense moving forward.
But yeah, you’re right, saying they have a fighting chance to be middle of the pack based on the fact that it is “within the realm of possibilities” is acceptable because it is Feb and we should just ignore how crazy unrealistic it is and not point out that the addition of 3 very bleh offensive players has little chance of actually improving one of the worst offensive teams in baseball to a middle of the pack team…
jd396
I’ve read through this series of comments six times and still can’t figure out what you guys are arguing about
rgreen
I didnt think anyone was arguing,more of a debate about how much the Phillies will improve.
lesterdnightfly
chesteraarthur:
But if MLBTR didn’t post as many articles, how could you spend the day contributing to each and every one?
p.s. Sometimes just stating your point once is enough.
p.p.s. If you don’t like “crap stories”, elevate yourself and go to other sites.
You are beginning to sound like pepesilvia.
Dookie Howser, MD
Sounds to me like Ben Lindbergh was running a phishing scheme.
37santobanks
TIL: Chris Coghlan is considered a “solid offensive upgrade” by at least one person that is actually employed as a reporter of sports-related things.
chesteraarthur
That’s the thing, if you read his article it makes even less sense. This is from that article:
“Coghlan is awful against lefties: over the last two seasons, he is 8-for-68 with 17 strikeouts and nine walks in 79 plate appearances against them. He wasn’t great against righties either last season, but for his career he owns a respectable .268/.341/.424 line against them.”
That doesn’t scream solid offensive upgrade haha
reflect
That analytics article is a fantastic read.
deadmanonleave
I agree, that was great to read and her beneath the headlines a little.
lesterdnightfly
With all the question-marks about Mesoraco’s health over the past two years, the Reds’ plan for catching depth is rather thin; even nonchalant. Are they hoping for a comeback by Johnny Bench?
aknott1
I wish they would have brought back Brayan Pena on a Minor League deal, but too late now (although I doubt he makes the Royals so maybe there is a chance).
Nick Hogan
Right now, they’re betting on Mesoraco/Barnhart being the tandem to start the year. Meso is starting in spring with no limitations, so that’s promising.
But, you’re not wrong, although they do also have Rob Brantly coming to camp.