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Ausome7
I still detest the fister trade
Jeff Todd
Sounds like you’re softening on it a bit, though! I certainly agree with you that it seems light, and probably always will — even if Ray turns into Cole Hamels. But that shouldn’t completely detract from the overall body of work of the front office in dealing with a tough situation.
TigerDoc
Jeff, bang up job on this article. Just found it this morning. A nice, even handed approach to all Dombrowski has done recently. Keep up the good work.
Dubious McDoobinator
Great article Jeff. I have to say that most fans only look at immediate returns on trades. I myself did this when the Fister deal was announced. After sitting back and thinking things through I do have faith that DDs move was for future long term success.
I also believe the Fielder cash clearing was more for Cabby then Max as DD has been darn good at finding starters who have shown flashes and nab them at the right time.
BigDeal
Still baffles me that DD made such a bad trade. Especially when you consider how is always the one fleecing other GMs. That trade is not something a team in win-now mode makes. Illitch wants a championship and is willing to throw unlimited money at it, so let him
BigDeal
Still baffles me that DD made such a bad trade. Especially when you consider how is always the one fleecing other GMs. That trade is not something a team in win-now mode makes. Illitch wants a championship and is willing to throw unlimited money at it, so let him
bucs_lose_again
This reads like a Fangraphs article.
In other words, Kudos!
Jeff Todd
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.
Henry Johnson
I guess even Monet and Rembrandt made mistakes but the end product was always worth it. The Fister trade was that mistake, he should’ve gotten more. Even still, in context of everything else he had to do and did?? Bravo!!
Jefftown37
Enlightening article! Dombrowski has been one of the best in the biz for 20 years now.
Brandon Fields
I still think we could of gotten more for Fister but I believe in Dombrowski and I trust him to build a good team.
Flowseidon
Whether this is a masterstoke or not depends heavily on how this next season goes.
Will Snyder
The Tigers have had a good run of respectability since 2006, but they not gotten to the top because if shoddy fundamentals. In the 2006 World Series, it was he need for “Pitchers’ Fielding Practice.” In the 2012 World Series, the Tigers were given a classroom lesson in fundys from the Giants. This past season, it was base-running by mastodons. Finally, though, a new manager seems to be getting the team to understand the need for better defense and a little more speed.
BigDeal
Ausmus will be a great manager. Improving defense and team speed is great. But now they have lost a ton of power. And their starting pitching will be a little weaker also. And they still have holes at LF and C. They also need another bullpen arm – ideally someone who can pitch the 8th inning.
Mr Pike
Thanks for an article that steps back and looks at the big picture. There has been too much hysteria since the season ended.
Two points
Perez is a great prospect, but his 2013 cameo showed he needs a year in Toledo to work on his hitting.
The Tigers gained 16 years of control on three young players they think will be significant contributors for a two year Fister rental. Fister’s line is almost the same as Porcello’s, and Rick is 5 years younger. This is the Trumbo deal on a little bigger scale. Seems everyone expected Will Myers back for Fister, nobody is going to make that mistake again any time soon.
BigDeal
Perez is not a great prospect. And Avila is not the answer at C either. C is a big weakness for the Tigers. Fister is a top 25 SP the last 2 years. I like Porcello’s potential with a better defense, but he is not in the same ballpark as Fister. Of course, no one will make the mistake of trading Myers and Odorizzi again for 2 years of a SP. But the return could definitely have been a lot better. Even the second best player in that trade (Odorizzi) was better than the entire haul the Tigers received combined
alphabet_soup5
Agree that Avila is not the answer, but he can at least be serviceable. For what it’s worth his wOBA is right around Russel Martin & Matt Wieters since 2012, but his defense is nowhere near theirs.
Tigers72
In dombroski I trust. I just want him to get Revere for a very fast left field.
bobbleheadguru
Great article. Anyone interested in GM baseball strategy should read it!
TigerDoc
Different team, very different team. So no one really knows what we have yet. Still have good starting pitching, a lock down closer, and a healthy (hopefully) Miguel Cabrera. We are a ton better defensively, and have a lot more speed. As much as I agree with those who think we should have gotten more back in the Fister trade, the fact is, we did not (based solely on talent). What we gained is flexibility, and sometimes you have to take a step back to take two forward. Plus, it is only December 11th, something tells me Dave Dombrowski is far from done this winter.
C. McCarthy
I think even without Prince’s bat this team will score a lot more runs just from taking the extra base and staying out of double plays. There are some questions, but it was clear the station-to-station depend-on-the-timely-big-hit approach wasn’t working. Doug is a tough loss to swallow, but overall this is going to be a very different and interesting team in 2014.
tune-in for baseball
Excellent article. We really don’t know if the Tigers are better for 2014 because our base line of reference is the past 2 years. Power baseball,excellent SP, station-to station running, and below average defense in ’12 and ’13. We now are not “better or worse’ but different. Less power, need for #4 & #5 SP to step up, much better defense, and speed for the basepaths,(as long as they get on base). DD has much more control of the payroll and how to allocate resources going forward to make us a force for the next 5-7 years.
Kevin Yochim
Wouldn’t Iglesias not be a league minimum salary since he signed a Major League deal with Boston?
Mr Pike
No, he’s gotten 2 million a year since the Red Sox signed him. Like the Cespedes situation.
Mr Pike
It’s great that the roster got cheaper, but I really like how it got younger without giving much up in performance and gaining a lot of upside.
Smyly in for Fister, Lombadozzi for Santiago, Iglesias for Peralta, Castellanos for Fielder, Holaday for Pena.
Nathan for Benoit, and Krol for Smyly are basically washes.
Davis for Tuiasosopo added 6 years.
HUGE improvement.