April 12: Mizuhara surrendered to federal authorities this morning, per Alden González of ESPN. González adds that Mizuhara is scheduled to appear in court at 1:00 p.m. Pacific, or 3:00 p.m. Central, with the expected outcome of being let out on bond at some point.
April 11: U.S. attorney Martin Estrada announced today that Shohei Ohtani’s former interpreter Ippei Mizuhara has been charged with bank fraud to finance a “voracious appetite for illegal sports betting,” per Sam Blum of The Athletic. Mizuhara is alleged to have transferred more than $16MM from Ohtani’s account to an illegal sports book, per Alden González of ESPN. The full 37-page complaint against Mizuhara was relayed by Meghann Cuniff of The Washington Post.
Per Blum, Estrada says the account was set up by Mizuhara in 2018 and he began illegal gambling in 2021. “The bets do not appear to have been made on the sport of baseball,” Estrada says. “At this point Mr. Ohtani is considered a victim in this case,” Estrada added, per Fabian Ardaya of The Athletic. “Mr. Mizuhara lied to the bank to access the account … lied to them about being Mr. Ohtani,” Estrada also said, per Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times. When Mizuhara won a bet, the winnings would go into his own account and not Ohtani’s, per Blum. Estrada says investigators have viewed text messages from Mizuhara where he admitted to stealing from Ohtani, as relayed by Ardaya.
Last month, ESPN reported that more than $4.5MM had been wired from an account in Ohtani’s name to a sports gambling ring in California, where betting on sports is illegal. Mizuhara initially told ESPN that he was the one who racked up the debt but that Ohtani wired the money to help him pay it off. He later retracted that story and said Ohtani knew nothing about the gambling or the wire transfers. Ohtani later spoke on the matter, accusing Mizuhara of stealing money from him and lying about it, saying that he didn’t find out any of the details until the reporting had come out.
Both Mizuhara and Ohtani have said that Ohtani did not place any bets. Mizuhara has said that he did not bet on baseball and there’s not yet been any reporting to contradict that. As relayed by Jayson Stark of The Athletic, Mizuhara is alleged to have made about 19,000 wagers from December of 2021 to January of 2024, winning $142.27MM but losing $182.94MM for a net loss of $40.7MM.
It was reported last night that Mizuhara was in negotiations with federal authorities about pleading guilty. As part of that reporting, it was relayed that prosecutors had evidence Mizuhara disabled notifications that Ohtani would have received from his bank about transactions. The details from today go even farther, alleging that Mizuhara called the bank and impersonated Ohtani to access funds, per Britt Ghiroli of The Athletic. He answered security questions related to Ohtani’s biographical information to wire funds to a bookmaker, saying it was for a car loan. Per Shaikin, Ohtani’s agent repeatedly asked about the account but Mizuhara told him it was “private” and that Ohtani didn’t want anyone else to monitor it.
Shaikin relays a text message exchange between Mizuhara and a bookmaker where he admits to the theft: “Technically I did steal from him. it’s all over for me.” The maximum penalty for these charges is 30 years, per Shaikin. Mizuhara will appear in federal court in the coming days, per Blum. Ohtani has cooperated fully in the investigation, per Shaikin, including providing access to digital devices.
MLB issued a statement on the matter, per Jesse Rogers of ESPN and others: “We are aware of the charges filed by the U.S. Attorney’s Office against Mr. Mizuhara for bank fraud after a thorough federal investigation. According to that investigation, Shohei Ohtani is considered a victim of fraud and there is no evidence that he authorized betting with an illegal bookmaker. Further, the investigation did not find any betting on baseball by Mr. Mizuhara. Given the information disclosed today, and other information we have already collected, we will wait until resolution of the criminal proceeding to determine whether further investigation is warranted.” MLB’s Department of Investigations (DOI) opened an investigation into the matter last month after the initial reports came out.
Ezpkns34
So someone with a compulsive gambling problem set up a fake bank account and spent 3 years funneling money from Ohtani somehow into this fake account before starting gambling?
padam
I feel there’s so much missing here. Either there’s an enormous cover up going on or Ohtani is just dumb as can be, and I don’t think that’s the case.
mlb fan
“So much missing here”…Most elite athletes are rather naive, detached and tunnel visioned in their non sports lives. You keep hearing “coverup”, but that only makes sense if MLB & not the FBI/IRS were conducting and leading the investigation. The FBI/IRS does not defer to MLB in criminal matters and has no real incentive to protect any particular athlete. After all, this isn’t exactly a national security issue.
Jack Dawkins
Homeland Security and IRS are in charge. Last time I looked, Homeland Security dealt with national security issues.
Terry O'Reilly
Because the FBI is beyond reproach and has never shown to be susceptible to corruption or being strong-armed.
woodhead1986
MLB strong armed the FBI, you’re right. Very logical.
mlb fan
@Terry..”Corruption or being strong armed”…The late FBI director Hoover often told US Presidents what they’d do and how things were going to go and I’ve not heard of ANYONE having the power or money to “strong-arm” the FBI. That would be a little like trying to “strong-arm” Satan would it not?
TheMan 3
This issue is related to national security considering both are foreign nationals, and one of them commits a criminal felony
SMH
avenger65
I would assume that Ohtani has an accountant or money manager handling his finances. I don’t understand how Mizuhara got access to Ohtani’s money. At first it was $4m, now investigators say it’s $14m. How did he get the money? Puzzling.
Scream_name
And the bank let’s someone set yp an acvount in Ohtanis name? Yeah right.
youngliam
Pure conjecture
Jack Dawkins
I was thinking that Ippei was transferring his winnings to a foreign bank account. IRS might have limits to its subpoena power for foreign bank records so it called in Homeland Security. I’m just speculating here.
Guard the Vogt
MLB fan, The late FBI director Hoover is no longer running the FBI now is he? You surely don’t think in 2024 any government entity is above being bought?
Terry O'Reilly
Wells Fargo opens accounts for dead people all the time. The phony bank account part of this is the most reasonable piece to the story actually.
Non Roster Invitee
Just “athletes” elite or not I was talking to a minor league outfielder and he didn’t know who Willie Mays was.
Lars MacDonald
Jack,
Homeland Security is a huge organization. I’m guessing that the Cyber Securuty Department is involved.
Here’s a blurb about DHS:
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) includes customs, border, and immigration enforcement, emergency response to natural and manmade disasters, antiterrorism work, and cybersecurity.
cpdpoet
(insert lame man on man stuff here)
mlb fan
“Above being bought”..Of course Hoover is not running the FBI anymore, but my point is that someone just like him IS. Certainly anything can be bought but Ohtani doesn’t have the amount of money it would take to “buy” the FBI. Bill Gates, Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos maybe but certainly not Ohtani.
fox471 Dave
O’Reilly: strong armed by a baseball player? Good Lord! Get over yourself. We acknowledge you will never be satisfied with the outcome, if Ohtani is not banned from baseball. Got it. You win.
fox471 Dave
Here we go.
CF
How are Trump’s sneakers?
MacGromit
@avenger65
Ohtani might unload his pockets of his keys, cell phone and pocket change as soon as he walks in the door like we all do. but to him, his pocket change is $16MM. lol
tymeslayer
So you think Ohtani is like “most elite athletes” ?
Brew88
@lgydodger. Dude the election is way in the past, get effin over it.
User 2336683091
The paranoia is strong in this one.
Lanidrac
Technically, Satan has been strong-armed by God or Jesus plenty of times.
However, MLB is far from a divine organization.
Lanidrac
Apparently, Mizuhara WAS his money manager.
Bart Harley Jarvis
@Jack Dawkins,
I’m retired DHS. Let me look into this, and I’ll get back to all of you.
Cat Mando
wow, l9ydodger…..If you were half as smart as you think you are, you’d be twice as smart as you really are.
chiefnocahoma1
No incentive except large sums of cash. Everyone has a price.
Kslaw
There is only one logical answer here. The lead investigator has Ohtani on his dynasty team and needs him to continue to play.
deweybelongsinthehall
The dollar amount involved is staggering as well as the years. Should have been uncovered years ago.
Jack Dawkins
The 37 page indictment is available online for your reading pleasure. It answers a lot of the questions that the skeptics have about what happened and how. Everyone should read the entire thing before posting.
ATinz
Your mom likes them.
Bart Harley Jarvis
My late mother? It’s been 25 years since she passed. How could you know this?
A NYer
The FBI is rock solid and above reproach. And the charges are being brought by a United States Attorneys’ Office, which is staffed with the top non-political lawyers in the nation. They can leave a United States Attorney’s office and make millions, so there is zero incentive for one of them (much less an entire office) to destroy their reputations. And why would these prosecutors, special agents, and tax investigators cover anything up for the MLB and a player? These file criminal charges against politicians (Democrat and Republican) all the time, and almost always get a conviction. The folks arguing (or insulating) a cover up sound like sovereign citizens or flat earners. So the ide
A NYer
Continued from last post.
The idea …of floating a general conspiracy theory is so absurd as to equate to trolling behavior.
norcalblue
assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rxtbqz…
McGrundle
You may not understand us Asians very well. We are great at math and track our money very closely. We also love “easy money”. Gambling.
Raysasineppswasplanted
And Mayorkas is doing a great job. Mayorkas 4 Prez!!!!
bronyaur1
Oh, please. Save that nonsense for Truth Social.
Bart Harley Jarvis
For Presidentkas?
mlb fan
“Related to national security”..You need to learn the definition of “national security”, because it has nothing to do with “foreign nationals” or baseball and everything to do with things that affect the security of the nation which the Ohtani scandal does not.
Jack Dawkins
Moving large amounts of money through the banking system for nefarious purposes is of huge interest to the federal government. I suspect Homeland Security is involved because both Ippei and Shohei have bank accounts in Japan. I doubt that the FBI has subpoena power for those records but Homeland does. It might not be a national security matter but only Homeland has the tools to force disclosure about transactions from foreign banks.
dave 2
Ohtani was so focused on sports he didn’t have an accountant? Ohtani was so focused on sports we should dismiss the idea he gambled on sports?
VegasSDfan
The FBI, CIA, Justice Departement, Homeland Security are good guys. People that are enemies of them typically have stuff to hide.
Ohtani has been cleared, this guy was a scam artist posing as Ohtanis friend and interpreter.
It is alarming how little Ohtani watches his finances.
dave 2
Law enforcement isn’t perfect. And if Ohtani and his buddy specifically structured their scheme to deny accountability how could law enforcement refute it? This all hinges on no one noticing millions of dollars going missing which is a pretty difficult thing to believe — I can’t disprove it any more than law enforcement can but I certainly don’t buy it.
norcalblue
In other words, if the facts don’t fit the conspiracy narrative you and your delusional friends have concocted, just ignore them.
Have you read the complaint d2? The evidence is overwhelming and compelling. Move on man to your next fantastical conspiracy!
Jack Dawkins
It’s easy to figure out which posters actually read the complaint. Case closed.
Johnny Devil
Stay off truth social.
TheMan 3
Jared Kushner was bought and by Saudi Arabia for $2 billion dollars when he was “ senior adviser “ to his grifting boss
TheMan 3
You truly can’t fix stupid
61 courts including the Supreme Court determined that the election wasn’t stolen
What was stolen was the brains of the gullible idiots that believed their messiah
Dock_Elvis
Mlb fan. It’s been Homeland Security investigating. It very well could involve some form of national security along the lines of financial institutions and money laundering
Cat Mando
The Secret Service falls under the Homeland umbrella. Secret Service has primary jurisdiction to investigate threats against Secret Service protectees but they also investigate credit card fraud; telecommunications fraud; computer fraud, identify fraud and certain crimes affecting federally insured financial.
Also under Homeland………
CISA (Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency)
FEMA
Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
Transportation Security Administration
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services
U.S. Coast Guard
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
Bart Harley Jarvis
and Federal Protective Service.
Raysasineppswasplanted
Hello CNN’er..
Raysasineppswasplanted
And the Actual POTUS is the most popular sitttng prez ever!! Let’s Go Brandon!!!
cpdpoet
Hey jack dawkins…..didn’t read the rest of your post.
Stopped for the upvote for the use of “nefarious” STELLAR word.
ayeah
No. Ohtani might not have the money to buy the FBI. But according to how much MLB and all their owners make “according to a lot of the players”. Wouldn’t MLB and the owners have plenty to buy the FBI to cover up the scandal to protect their Japan investment?
Just playing Devil’s advocate.
Dock_Elvis
No
Astros Hot Takes
Hydra can’t be bought
Citizen1
Ohtani probably not dumb since he allowed to money to be stolen at a deferred time.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The proof is all in the records that can be subpoenaed. Look at the dates, times and purported interpreter expenditures. Without that data, we can only speculate.
avenger65
Manny: But how did Ippei get access to Ohtani’s account? Was Ohtani dumb enough to give Ippei his account number?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Avenger
Sounds like Ohtani was using his interpreter to handle other tasks for him as well
But like I said, I can’t draw any conclusions without seeing the financial records. The interpreter could be the fall guy, or Ohtani could be both hands off and dumb when it comes to monitoring finances. The records would make it obvious.
stymeedone
I can understand Ohtani not wanting his agent to see ALL of his financials, as unlikely as it may seem. I do need it explained how his accountant missed this small discrepancy of $16+ MILLION.
irishmoon617
exactly right. something doesnt seem right
Tigers3232
@Padam These charges are from the government bot MLB. Eo are you trying to imply now the government is complicit with MLB in trying to cover up something fir Ohtani???
all in the suit that you wear
I guess he never figured out he was bad at gambling.
Still in talks
He probably should have bet on baseball, who knows, could of worked in his favor.
McGrundle
We are only hearing about the debits. Maybe the credits were greater?
BlueSkies_LA
Maybe you are, but those of us who read the indictment have heard about both. And no, he was not a net winner. BTW his winnings went into another account under his own name. The losses he stole from Ohtani.
This one belongs to the Reds
If he has a compulsive gambing problem and takes tge time to set this up, he is not waiting three years.
Not to mention the missing 16 million not being noticed.
Something is off here.
drasco036
We are going to find out. Wore fraud is a 20 year sentence, you have to be one amazing friend to not roll when you’re facing two decades in prison.
It’s worth noting, placing illegal bets is a misdemeanor offense.
hoya33
I could be wrong but in some states placing a bet is not a crime.but accepting the bet that’s the crime
Citizen1
Sports betting was illegal in California at the time. Worser if Ohtani was betting but using the interpreter as the front but Ohtani fronted his own money, becoming the problem.
Ee
In 2018, Mizuhara accompanied Ohtani, who didn’t speak English, to a bank branch in Arizona to assist Ohtani in opening the account and translated for Ohtani when setting up the account details. Ohtani’s salary from playing professional baseball was deposited into this account and he never gave Mizuhara control of this or any of his other financial accounts, according to the affidavit. Mizuhara allegedly told Ohtani’s U.S.-based financial professionals, none of whom spoke Japanese, that Ohtani denied them access to the account.
justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/japanese-language-transla…
Easy as 1 2 3
“Mr. Mizuhara lied to the bank to access the account … lied to them about being Mr. Ohtani”
The whole narrative they’re pushing doesnt even make sense lmao
Mizuhara just shows up one day and is like Hi Im world famous two way superstar Shohei Ohtani my face is all over the place on social media and tv and the bank is like “oh yeah thats totally Ohtani”. His story checks out here’s access to all your bank accounts Mr. Ohtani.
woodhead1986
Do you think he went to the bank personally with a big $ sack? Jeez this is sad
Easy as 1 2 3
Not as sad as this poor excuse of a narrative theyre trying to sell people on.
woodhead1986
The Fbi is lying because baseball, or Manfred or something. Anyway, watch out for the Chem trails
jerseyjohn
It seems sadder you’d believe the bank would give someone unfettered access to millions of dollars without showing up for a signature verification.
Easy as 1 2 3
Yeah, not like the MLB and government are tied together with billionaire owners backing politicians and political campaigns scratching each others backs through the decades. You can totally trust both the MLB and FBI as proven by years of transparent honest investigations. Theyd never do favors for each other or conceal the truth from the public.
Hey didnt the FBI get busted for plotting, planning, and recruiting people to do a kid nap murder scheme against the governor of michigan last year?
mlb fan
“Not as sad as this poor excuse of a narrative”…I’m guessing you’re not paying for cable tv; you just use extra heavy tin foil and you receive “special broadcasts” that the rest of us do not see, am I right?
Easy as 1 2 3
“trust large corporate billion dollar industry and the federal government, theyre trust worthy” – mlbfan
Maybe you missed decades of shady activities by the MLB and government but educated and rational people know better to trust the MLB and FBI. Not trusting them isnt some conspiracy tin foil hat thing. Its years of them proven to be liars and frauds.
woodhead1986
Hahaha omg you’re really a nutbar, no reason to engage further. Wtf man lmaoo
Sid Bream Speed Demon
You seem to be expending an awful lot of effort being a good boot licker here, woody. Why do you care so much what other anonymous people on a comments page think?
woodhead1986
They foiled that plot! it wasn’t like they staged a coup against the governor of Michigan Jesus lol
jerseyjohn
“Come on man”. That’s lying dog faced pony soldier talk…
woodhead1986
Boot licker? because I dont believe a nonsense conspiracy? You don’t know anything about me, if you did you’d understand how far from the truth that is. Why do I care? Idk, I have a problem not pushing back against rampant stupidity and it’s becoming harder to ignore as the world around me gets dumber all the time.
Easy as 1 2 3
“i dont like facts”
We know woody we know
Paleobros
* Nootbaar
woodhead1986
You have not presented one single fact, I actually pity people like you. Lonely, scared and ignorant
Easy as 1 2 3
Oh woody you poor stupid s o b
chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2022/4/13/23023950…
Easy as 1 2 3
Fact: don’t trust the FBI
Evidence: FBI plotting to kidnap a sitting governor and blame right wing people.
chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2022/4/13/23023950…
woodhead1986
Some of them weren’t convicted, and yet;
On August 10, 2022, the retrial of Fox and Croft began.
On August 23, 2022, Fox and Croft were found guilty of kidnapping conspiracy and conspiracy to possess weapons of mass destruction at their retrial. Croft was also convicted of another explosives charge
On October 6, 2022, Franks was sentenced to four years in prison
On December 27, 2022, Fox was sentenced to serve sixteen years in federal prison followed by five years of supervision
On December 28, 2022, Croft was sentenced to serve more than nineteen years and seven months in federal prison
Wrong again!!
Easy as 1 2 3
Typed all that just to prove my point. Don’t trust the FBI
well done woody. you did it.
woodhead1986
What point!? That they successfully tried and jailed these guys? Do you know what undercover means? Would you rather they be free???
Scream_name
@mlbfan is struggling to find a reasonable argument here. Its not working.
Easy as 1 2 3
My point: don’t trust the fbi
you have to be illiterate at this point.
blind deaf and dumb is no way to go through life son.
woodhead1986
Don’t trust them because they might help dismantle a domestic terrorist ring. Great point.
7t8390248
They are the terrorist ring.
woodhead1986
Credibility- 0
norcalblue
Thanks man, I share your disgust. It’s pathetic how obsessed these people are with the narrative they had created in which the elites (LAD, Ohtani) are destroyed.
Easy as 1 2 3
Mlb has a history of scandals
85 collusion, pittsburgh drug trials, balco/mitchell report/biogenesis, sign stealing amongst yankees, red sox, astros,
FBI has a history of cover ups and mishandling tons of things
FBI tried to hide Larry Nassar’s actions, FBI hired informants that planned and attempted to execute a kidnapping plot against whitmer, WACO, Ruby Ridge, ignoring crimes of informant Whitley Burger,
Yeah totally trust those two organizations. They’re legit
Easy as 1 2 3
Lol FBI hired informants who set up the whole kidnapping plot.
Planning the crime and recruiting people to do the crime then stopping your guys from committing the crime doesnt get you a pat on the back lmao
Thats like you robbing a bank and then turning yourself in expecting to keep the money.
“we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong” yup bootlicker confirmed.
ateam043
Large corporations make tons of transfers day in and day out. If this assistant knew how to forge the signature and knew critical account info and security questions it’s not out of the realm of possibility.
fox471 Dave
Jersey: look bigfoot!
fox471 Dave
Easy: what facts. Article was clear. Those facts?
fox471 Dave
Woodhead: you are wasting your time. Folks like these haters go to their grave with their conspiracy theories clutched in their very small hands.
Lanidrac
Banks don’t usually require signature verification if you use their online system to change your contact info by correctly answering the security questions and enter a passcode sent to your phone, which Mizuhara could’ve easily borrowed.
bronyaur1
Imagine reading this article and actually concluding the FBI was plotting to kidnap the governor. Give it up.
White Sox Suck (2-14, shutout 5x)
FBI informants planned the kidnapping and recruited individuals then tried to place the blame solely on the people they recruited. Called entrapment.
TheMan 3
A right wing columnist that writes lies is someone I would believe
thanks for the laugh
White Sox Suck (2-14, shutout 5x)
“I don’t like facts either so I’ll choose to find weird ways to discredit things that don’t agree with what I’ve been told to believe”
Well that’s not how a man behaves. Definitely a 3 year old.
Tigers3232
@Easy LMAO!! No the FBI did not get crusted planning a kidnap murder of MI Governor. They did catch some members of a militia planning to do so. None of the accused or the 2 convicted had any affiliation with any law enforcement.
Raysasineppswasplanted
And rude little child….
weaselpuppy
It clearly says in the article that Ippei CALLED the bank and impersonated Shohei. Nearly all ID theft and bank fraud is committed on thr phone and/or online for obvious reasons of ID pictures not matching. If you’ve never had your ID stolen, be very thankful, because you would then find out how terrible bank, credit card and credit Bureau security actually is IF the ID thief has all your Personal Identifying Information. You’re screwed because they will never truly secure your account. Living it right now w my wife for 2 years. Every single day there’s something going on, despite all the talk of bank security. Ippei fed them all Shohei’s PII and security questions because he knew them. Bank said OK. The End.
Easy as 1 2 3
So ohtani is an idiot and gave an interpreter his
passwords
social security number
security login question and answers
routing numbers
account numbers
And any information he needed to not only redirect funds from Ohtani’s account via phone into a fake Ohtani’s account he set up over the phone (not in person) but into his own account afterwards. And no one noticed 15 million dollars being moved from Feb 2022 to Oct 2022.
Yeah that’s not really the narrative i’d put out there that Ohtani is dumber than a sack of hammers and willingly gave up his information like that. But guess thats better than going to jail for aiding and abetting a crime.
Citizen1
I saw it in Shawshank redemption with Andy duframe
avenger65
Easy: It is odd that they mistakenly believed Ippei was Ohtani, especially since he’s about a foot shorter than Ohtani. Bank investigation coming up.
Easy as 1 2 3
Im really stuck on how he did this all remotely.
routing numbers, account numbers, social security numbers, security login and answers, theres a lot that goes on into accessing bank accounts, wiring money, setting up accounts, and so much money banking activity.
Did ohtani give Ippei his phone and let Ippei handle communication? Why would he do that? Why not give them Ippei’s number instead of your own phone?
And how’d he get your login information? username, passwords?
I havent heard Ohtani say “i let him handle my finances” at any point during this saga. So howd he get in the info?
FSF
As someone who has overseen millions to billions for dozens of different companies, the majority of them have little clue at any given point where all their money is. Apple might say they have $300 billion in cash or whatever it is, but let me tell you, it would be a “project” to sort out where all that money is. And that’s after paying billions of dollars for some of the most expensive accountants and independent auditors money can buy.
I only have a few mil and it’s all over the place and I don’t really even keep tabs on what’s where. And frankly I’m a certified public accountant with an MBA.telling you this and behaving this way with my OWN little bit of money. I can’t imagine someone like Ohtani knows or cares where all his money is unless he’s really into money, which he doesn’t strike me that way.
jerseyjohn
Long response but not really applicable. I bet you know where your liquid cash is and roughly how much you have. Ohtani is mad rich but 16 million liquid cash gone is hard to miss.
YankeesBleacherCreature
That money which comes in gets transferred to investment accounts, charity foundation, mortgage payments, etc. It’s easy to skim off the top and regularly redirect some to a shell company when nobody is paying attention as most of it is automated.
i like al conin
It’s one…big… damn conspiracy and everyone’s in on it, including her. What say you there, fuzzy britches?
GDrank
Typical braindead tinfoil “””reasoning”””. Last I checked people steal money for more reasons than just to fund gambling. Nothing precludes the possibility that he was gambling before 2021, we just have concrete evidence that he was making bets with one particular illegal Californian bookie from 2021 onward.
Cat Mando
“From the moment Ohtani landed in the U.S. with Mizuhara in tow, Mizuhara was his financial point person. In 2018, likely during Spring Training given that the pair were in Arizona, Mizuhara allegedly joined Ohtani at a bank branch and translated for him as Ohtani set up an account.”
“That was reportedly the account in which Ohtani’s salary from the Angels was deposited (Ohtani received $42,269,259 from the Angels during his tenure), and in which Mizuhara asserted total control.”
“Bank records reportedly show the account was in Ohtani’s name, but the contact information connected to it was changed to Mizuhara’s phone number and an anonymous email address connected to Mizuhara. Transfers were allegedly made from the account using devices and IP addresses associated with Mizuhara.”
“Mizuhara allegedly went as far as pretending to be Ohtani when speaking with bank employees, according to calls recorded by the bank:”
Lanidrac
Ah, that explains it all. Ohtani is just an idiot for relying on someone else to completely control his finances and had the bad luck of making a terrible choice for his financial manager.
Cheese, Ohtani, at least look at your bank statements personally!
Although, it is a little odd but far from impossible that none of the bank employees with whom Mizuhara had spoken had learned that such a famous athlete doesn’t speak English. Maybe that’s how he finally got caught?
Cat Mando
Lanidrac………….Thing is, it’s not like Ohtani hired Miz two weeks before signing with MLB. These guys have been friends for a long time…his friend just got seduced by easy access to so much money and Ohtani had no reason to believe his close friend would stab him in the back. Until the feces hit the fan Ohtani had no reason to believe anything was wrong.
kcmark
How can the FBI be bought? They can seize your assets and freeze your bank accounts.
Lanidrac
Yeah, but no matter how trusted your financial manager is, it’s still a dumb move to never double check your bank accounts yourself.
178iq
The Fall Guy is a new movie coming out.
Johnny Devil
The account wasn’t fake. The money wasn’t funneled. Read the facts.
Americanentropy
Wait for it… those negative Dodger/Ohtani comments.
Highwaymenace
I think you mean, wait for the people with functioning brains who aren’t buying the obvious cover up.
Americanentropy
Apparently you are privy to information hidden to the rest of us. Good for you.
Scream_name
@ hudlersson he’s privy to common sense
filihok
SN
Dumb people call it common sense
Smart people know it’s nothing more than speculation
Scream_name
Dumb people call other people dumb.
filihok
SN
That’s true
But so do smart people and average people
bronyaur1
doesn’t common sense require actual facts? or does.common sense mean making up your own tinfoil hat conspiracy because it fits with your world view?
BoJuBi
Not exactly, smart people don’t waste time with dumb people, average people sure, that’s only cause the average human is pretty dumb. Just read this comment section
filihok
BJB
Citation requested
mlb fan
“Obvious cover up”…MLB has ZERO investigative authority and is not leading or conducting this investigation. So other than your jump to conclusions reaction, what’s the FBI’s or IRS’s motivation to protect Ohtani?…He’s a baseball player, not a high level spy or national security asset.
stymeedone
We only know what information they want us to know. Any investigation by MLB would likely interfere with the govt case. Ohtani may not be involved, or he may be one of the big fish they will end up prosecuting. It may even still be a misdemeanor at that amouunt, but with gambling involved, MLB will be ready to suspend.
User 401527550
What’s the crime if Ohtani was involved? His interpreter was charged with stealing money from him. If ohtani was involved then the FBI could care less.
ATinz
I think you mean, wait for the haters (like yourself) to make judgment on someone with zero evidence, just because they do not like a sports team.
Wren
yeah as a lifelong Dodger fan this whole thing is just nonsense and the intention is to force feed this narrative and then that’s all folks, let’s play ball! no way he had access to his bank accounts and no one noticed.
Tigers3232
@Highway Naive?? These charges are from the government, if you think the government is deliberately covering up for any MLB player let alone a foreign one by bringing criminal charges against an innocent individual, you are delusional.
Wren
yeah no reason to doubt the FBI is there? those guys are above reproach. hands against the wall and spread em tiger.
bronyaur1
Exactly what is the motivation for the FBI to cover up for a freaking baseball player?
Wow… and these dopes vote.
Tigers3232
@Wren If the FBI and MLB were on cahoots trying to cover for Ohtani, neither would be investigating.
You te proposing they found and brought to light this is issue and now are covering up the very thing they found. Do you bot see how ridiculous that is???
If the FBI was complicit with MLB this would have never been an issue in the first place.
Wren
no i’m not implying anything other than the FBI isn’t above reproach. and if you think you know they are on the up and up then i would say you likely aren’t paying attention.
money and power move in ways most of us don’t understand and if you don’t believe the FBI can be told to stand down…anyway i like to read sports rumors here so carry on.
This one belongs to the Reds
As opposed to yours if his name was Smith and he played for the Giants?
Amazing Dodgers fans take such exception to others calling BS when they hear it.
Reminds me of political parties.
woodhead1986
Was waiting for this lmao
Bauer has four separate accusers, one of whom has been essentially discredited, that’s true. He also has been run out of 2 leagues so hmm jeez I wonder if he’s the problem?
Also, let’s say ohtani did all this gambling; better than predator/abuser
JCL10
He was hardly run out of Japan. His previous team offered him a contract extension after last season. Only reason he held out on signing it was that he wanted an MLB or MiLB deal. He’ll likely go back to Japan once his 6 game stint in Mexico is over
sacball
Trevor Bauer has the personality of a hemorrhoid and has been known as being a terrible teammate and a clubhouse cancer…He ain’t Joan of Arc,,,,
Liberalsteve
liar.
jerseyjohn
Word!
prov356
So Mr. Insane, please explain how Bauer has been “proven innocent”.
LATrolleyDodger
Exactly, he wasn’t “proven innocent”. There was no trial in front of a jury.
Easy as 1 2 3
He proved himself innocent of Lindsey Hill accusations.
youtube.com/watch?v=6SphfHJbsmk
Also,
its not Bauer’s job to prove he’s innocent of accusations people make against him
Its their job to prove they’re true.
BlueSkies_LA
No, just two hearings including one before a neutral arbitrator. Their job wasn’t find him guilty or innocent, because it wasn’t a court of law. Their job was to determine whether he violated his terms of employment. Both did, a fact he still refuses to acknowledge. That’s why he remains unemployed. He lives in denial city. It’s getting to be a really crowded place.
prov356
123 – I understand the legal concept of the assumption of innocence until proven guilty. But unless both sides have presented their evidence, no one is proven innocent. Bauer saying he’s innocent isn’t proof. That was my only question for Mr. Insane. He stated that Bauer was proven innocent, which is not the case. No charges were brought, which can happen for any number of reasons. I have no opinion either way of Bauer’s accusations. I haven’t paid attention.
User 401527550
What country are you from? He needs to be proven guilty not innocent.
BlueSkies_LA
I feel you need to have this explained to you again for some reason, but I’m not going to do it. I already have once.
prov356
Mets – There is a difference between presumed innocent and proven innocent, or exonerated. Bauer is presumed innocent based on our legal system, but he has not been exonerated.
User 401527550
Why does he need to be exonerated? So people can ruin people’s lives by accusations alone? Sorry I’m not into ruin people’s lives for the political whirlwinds of the current moment.
User 401527550
If they have no evidence to bring charges then those are just merit less accusations. How many times do you all have to be horribly wrong with egg on your face before you learn that people lie for millions of reasons?
ElysianPark
People are only determined to be “not guilty.” That doesn’t mean they are innocent.
Roguesaw2
By not have been proven guilty. In this country, that’s how it works. Everyone is innocent of everything, until 12 of their peers sit in a jury box and say otherwise. Hasn’t been brought before such a jury? There’s a reason for that.
prov356
Nice try Suck, but your nonsense falls short of common sense for one reason: I haven’t been accused of those acts to have to present evidence to be exonerated.
prov356
Mr Suck – Well again, it’s hard to have a conversation with someone with no common sense or who misinterprets and misrepresents what others say. So cheers and God Bless.
rondon
Are you people having your strokes in installments? Unbelievable.
Judd_Skinner
Wait for it…those idiotic liberal Dodger/Ohtani fans ignoring the truth because it hurts their feelings.
filihok
JS
Muted (brain rot)
bronyaur1
What is wrong with you?
Brew88
tick-borne incephalitis is going around I see
Old York
Got to wonder how the guy ends up setting up an account for Ohtani and then somehow has full access to it and he doesn’t even notice any of it being taken? I don’t make big cash like Ohtani but my wife and I share an account and I can see daily transactions on my phone notifications. Something doesn’t add up…
Acoss1331
All I’m saying is, if 16 million dollars goes missing in my bank account, I’d notice it. Definitely need more information.
DroppedThirdStrike
People with that much money have many, many accounts, not to mention stocks, investment accounts, etc. If money is missing from your one account you’d definitely notice, but when you have a ton of different accounts and money going in and out all the time and no one person responsible for making sure it’s 100% up and up, not to mention that the one guy you do trust is the one stealing from you… bad things can happen.
jakerafferty87
Having different accounts and investments would likely mean he was good with his money, making it even less likely that he wouldn’t notice 16 million go missing.
Roguesaw2
I wish I was so wealthy it took me years to notice I was short 16MM. Lol.
bronyaur1
When you can hit 40 MLB home runs and post a 4.00 ERA, then we will care about how you manage you money relates to how Ohtani manages his.
James Midway
Also when you make that much money you probably have a money guy or a company that handles a lot of the investing, taxes and a number of other financial items. If the company did not see a large discrepancy and report it I would be surprised, unless of course they were stealing too.
BlueSkies_LA
The feds have Mizuhara on the phone impersonating Ohtani, among other fraudulent means he used to skim Ohtani’s accounts over the course of years. Mizuhara has admitted all of it.
Do try to keep up.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Trolls are so hurt in their backsides by the Dodgers. The last thing they care about is accuracy….
fox471 Dave
Blue you are spitting into the wind with these crazies. You can explain the facts a thousand times and all you will get is, “but what about…”?
BlueSkies_LA
I know, but I guess we’re both doing some spitting, eh?
Lanidrac
According to one of the other posters, there’s additional info stating that Ohtani gave all financial responsibility to Mizuhara and never bothered to double check anything himself. (Plus, as included in the article above, Mizuhara disabled notifications.)
Apparently, Ohtani really is that dumb and lazy when it comes to managing his money.
BlueSkies_LA
He trusted someone who he should not have trusted and he got screwed. I suppose that never happened to you. Because you know it only happens to dumb people.
Lanidrac
He’s not dumb for trusting Mizuhara. He’s dumb for personally ignoring his money management to the point that he never even bothered to personally look at his bank statements.
NYCityRiddler
I’m gonna make this short & simple. 3 weeks probation & the new spokesman for MLB “Special Promotions” on DraftKings. Next! Ahahaha!
Tigers3232
@Landirac Unfortunately many people become victims of those they trust. As far as this situation, this is government criminal charges not the MLB. It seems they have evidence that collaborates the story that was reported.
As far as Ohtani, for all we now he could be naive. Or Mizuhara could ve possibly been providing false statements or taking other measures to cover up his theft. I can’t imagine anyone stealing that much $ and not making at least a lousy attempt at covering up their misdeed.
luca brasi
So Otani is so rich that he doesn’t miss $16 million from his bank account? I am calling BS on this one.
GASoxFan
$16m post-tax, especially with ohtani’s income during that period…
That’s a LOT of money. And nobody raised a red flag? Thats just beyond strange.
empirejim
GAS… Since you’re on the inside, would you care to share with the rest of us exactly what Ohtani’s income was during that period? I can easily find numbers for MLB contracts, what evades me is all the endorsement/ investment income he has raked in for years now…
stymeedone
@empirejim
He doesn’t have to know. As you said, he has a lot of sources of money going in and out. He would have to be completely stupid to not have a financial person/company monitoring that movement. What is your explanation for why the discrepancy was missed?
cards99
because he completely relied on Mizuhara. Its really not that hard to understand. Ohtani had 100% of his focus on baseball and had 100% of trust in Mizuhara.
If you went to a different country where every single thing (including bank stuff) is in a language you don’t understand, you make so much money that you can’t even wrap your head around it, AND you are far and away the best at your job (which isn’t accounting), this situation would be entirely possible.. You have to understand that Ohtani relied on Mizuhara for so many things.
luca brasi
This is all BS and I will tell you why. First of all, the interpreter claims that he went into banks posing as Ohtani to open the bank accounts. Everyone knows that Ohtani takes an interpreter with him everywhere. That would mean that the original interpreter spoke nothing but Japanese in the bank and he had someone else to be his interpreter. The phony interpreter would’ve had to do all of the talking. Who is that person and why haven’t we heard about him?
bronyaur1
Let us know when you find Bigfoot, won’t you?
bronyaur1
Well, it looks like there was enough of a red flag that someone did notice.
I’m curious about how many major financial fraud investigations all these geniuses who are sure Ohtani was in on it have participated in.
mlb fan
“Ohtani is so rich he doesn’t miss $16 million”….Ohtani is likely EXTREMELY rich and will most likely retire a billionaire. How rich are you when you can easily DEFER 95% of your current income 30 years into the future without issue? I don’t find it impossible to believe that Ohtani is extremely naive and not focused on his current finances. After all, just by waiting a couple of years, he could have left Japan as a free agent, available to negotiate with any team. He sacrifice HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars just to come here when he did.
LATrolleyDodger
He was made an offer he couldn’t refuse
StPeteStingRays
Negative Dodger/Ohtani comment
Highwaymenace
Dumb comment. Clearly a cover up going on.
ATinz
So clear that there is zero evidence? Clear as mud.
StPeteStingRays
It was a joke in response to Hudlers son.
bronyaur1
lol, clearly. in your own head, maybe.
fred-3
I wonder if people will admit they were wrong about this story or just double down on the cover-up angle?
Old York
@fred-3
I’ll accept that I’m wrong but something doesn’t add up where Ohtani has no idea that $16M is gone from his account. I get that he’s rich but is he that naïve to let a guy have full access to his bank account and not even notice of any strange transactions?
fred-3
Maybe he doesn’t look at his bank account often? Remember, he’s not American so you can’t just assume what you’d do is something he would as well. It’s also not uncommon for athletes and entertainers to be taken advantage of by family, friends, or business partners. I think Ohtani is just a simple guy, possibility even gullible, and the translator took advantage of that. This happens more often then you’d think.
greatwhiteangus
You could very well be right, but who gives complete access to their financials to their interpreter? $16MM is a huge amount to not get noticed by anyone, and it takes the Feds investigating a California bookie to discover this???
I’m not saying you or anyone else is wrong, and I’m not saying I’m right. But usually it’s someone who is in charge of rich person’s money that is doing the embezzling, and I’m pretty sure his friend is no financial advisor of any kind.
Old York
@fred-3
I honestly don’t think Ohtani did anything wrong. However, it seems really odd that he put full trust in his Translator to manage his bank account. If you’re going to make multi-millions of dollars, why aren’t you having a financial institution managing your funds? I thought a lot of sports players were given this training because of history where players in the past blew all their riches and now have nothing. Does he just have a basic Citi bank account?
Something doesn’t add up but I’m probably wrong and I’ll gladly accept that I’m wrong.
nosake
They met in Japan in 2013 when Ippei worked for the Nippon Ham Fighters where Ohtani played. When Ohtani migrated to MLB, Ippei was his guy. Ippei is apparently an exceptional translator. He was also involved in negotiating the likes of Lars Nootbar to play for Team Japan in the WBC. Ippei is widely known and respected among MLB players – or was. There is no stretch at all here to imagine why Ohtani trusted him implicitly. None. Sadly, he got burned and it will impact him as a human being. He will not miss the money but will miss the easy trust he put in others.
Cat Mando
Nosake….quit being rational….it has no place around here. Don’t you realize that you have to go with the “Who gives their interpreter access like that.” You aren’t allowed to point out that these guys have been friends for a decade, you need to toe the line that Ohtani hired some guy he just met to translate and nothing else, right before signing in the MLB.
Geesshhh….your common sense and use of fact is so out of place. /s
Squeeze32
Say you speak very little Japanese, maybe enough to have a basic conversation but not really enough to read or write the language very well. You work in Japan and are paid into a Japanese bank account whose entire interface is in Japanese, and all of the monetary values are in a different currency than you’re familiar with.
Would you feel 100% comfortable navigating that bank’s interface to manage your finances? Or would you perhaps ask someone who you (thought) you could completely trust, that is fluent in the language, to help manage it for you?
Now, on top of all of that, say that you make amounts of money that make almost every purchase you could think about making almost trivial. You could pay cash for a vehicle and not really feel the impact of that money being gone. Would you feel the need to be keeping close tabs on the balance of all of your many accounts? Or would you trust that someone that you (again, thought you could) trust to relay if something was wrong?
I’m not saying that there is a 0% chance that Ohtani had any idea anything was going on, but theft like this happens quite often to celebrities. Add a language, culture, and currency conversion layer on top of all of it, and it starts to seem like this could have truly happened.
dodgersdan
It seems pretty apparent that most of those accusing Ohtani of wrongdoing have no clue what it is like to be an expat in a foreign country with a lack of familiarity with the language — and how it requires you to place a lot of trust in those that can help you navigate it.
Old York
@Squeeze32
Possible, given that he had his mom manage his finances when he played baseball in Japan. Maybe he’s just not good with money and expects others to do it for them but I’m not sure I want my translator managing my bank account, especially if I’m making millions of dollars. Remember, this isn’t the 1700s where most people only speak one language. We’re a globalized work with people from all over the world working in different countries. You can’t tell me that not one person that speaks Japanese works for any of the financial management institutions. Just seems odd but if he really is this naive, I guess he should have just had his mom manage his bank accounts, right?
Lanidrac
Although, numerals and math symbols are the same in Japanese, so Ohtani could’ve at least looked over his bank statements once in a while.
nosake
This.
Lanidrac
Ohtani never bothered to check his accounts himself, so yes, he is indeed that naive.
Highwaymenace
Nothing in this story alleviates the idea that Ohtani is guilty. This is a pathetic narrative to cover up for baseballs savior.
NickTheDev
You have ZERO proof of that, you just like saying it.
woodhead1986
ITS A FEDERAL INVESTIGATION ARE YOU JOKING?!
LATrolleyDodger
They’re not joking lol
fred-3
Present your evidence then, or better yet, call the FBI to give them a tip. I’m sure they’ll appreciate it.
filihok
Fred
“Hello FBI
This is some rando from the internet. I personally don’t understand how Ohtani could not know $4.5 million of his dollars were going to a gambling ring, so go ahead and conclude your investigation. I’ve solved it. He’s guilty”
BlueSkies_LA
This comment encapsulates everything going on in this case and in our culture today. The innocent are really the guilty, only the guilty are truly innocent, the perpetrators are the real victims, and anyone who believes otherwise is part of the coverup. I can’t imagine living with that much cynicism and wanting to go on for another day but this thinking has become weirdly popular. I wonder if people who believe this understand how miserable it makes them.
fox471 Dave
I wonder if they understand how miserable it makes the rest of us.
BlueSkies_LA
That too. 🙁
Brew’88
Countering those who abjectly refuse to discern fact from fantasy has its merits, and I applaud your efforts Blue, but is ultimately futile.
But I do think your input does clarify things with the folks who don’t read reports or have some level of distrust in things, those still trying to formulate an opinion.
Good for baseball that Ohtani wasn’t involved. And hopefully this story goes away soon so we can all get back to baseball. Great game last night between Pads and Dodgers!
TotalitarianBaseball
this reads like literature. i am skeptical of you.
Cohens_Wallet
@Fred
It’s like someone in a relationship being cheated on, the victim never wants to accept its happening. They want to believe so badly that it isn’t what’s right in front of them. Crazy how usually everyone else sees it but the victim. Sad.
Cohens_Wallet
BTW the victims are the Dodger fans.
halo2afault
Said nobody, ever.
Cohens_Wallet
Lol
empirejim
Dodgers fans are victims in this??? Talk about “dime store” psychology….
cuban1
I doubt this even more now. 4.5 million going unnoticed was already hard enough to believe, no way in hell im believing he stole 16 million because he supposedly shut off notifications. He was his interpreter, not his accountant.
StudWinfield
Ohtani has to be the most isolated superstar in history. Not an attorney, accountant, agent, friend, family nor anyone else within his personal and/or professional spheres had any idea this one person was stealing $16 mill over a few years. Or, if they did, thought it better to not tell him about it.
I can believe that Ohtani himself was not involved in betting but suggesting he had no knowledge of $16 mill disappearing is getting to be a stretch.
woodhead1986
Google embezzlement and see if that clears this up.
fox471 Dave
It won’t for these folks. EVER!
StudWinfield
To think that nobody within his sphere of influence had no idea where $16 mill went, even for someone as wealthy as Ohtani, is just silly
Lanidrac
If you’re stupid enough to rely on a single person to manage every aspect of your finances, and that person just happens to be the one stealing from you, it’s not that easy for other people to figure it out.
stalker101
Bernie Madoff conned many business men and their sphere of influence out of billions, People act like this kind of thing hasnt happened before, people making millions are not sitting there balancing their check book, as long as they dont get red flags as far as their own stuff not getting paid for or having access to money then they’re not usually aware. Should they have a bit more hands on at looking at their financial dealing? sure., but an athlete playing games most of the year, on the road a lot and etc isnt up to speed i am sure on this kind of thing.in most cases.
Smelly_Cobb
This whole thing smells like Pike Place Fish Market
Travis’ Wood
Here before the morons call this a coverup even though the information is coming from the government….
woodhead1986
To people like that, governmental involvement only deepens their mistrust. We live in a post-truth world.
Highwaymenace
You think that the government is trustworthy? LOL @ you. Nothing released by the government indicates Ohtani is innocent. In fact, the government never goes out of its way to publicize a persons innocence, especially during an investigation, unless they are engaged in a cover up.
woodhead1986
You guys are beyond self parody.
shosho
Imagine believing the government
woodhead1986
WHY WOULD THE FBI LIE TO COVER FOR A JAPANESE BASEBALL PLAYER??? Your world must be so scary and sad
Travis’ Wood
Woodhead, these people are crazy! They think the FBI is covering for Ohtani….. insanity!
Travis’ Wood
Imagine thinking the government would cover up a baseball player gambling LOL
woodhead1986
Its a symptom of a society in decay. Brain-rot is everywhere, it’s not just in the politics, its bleeding into everything. People are delusional en masse.
Travis’ Wood
Agreed woodhead, agreed. Sad but true
7t8390248
Imagine thinking the government is your friend.
Travis’ Wood
Who said the government is your friend? I only said they aren’t covering up a Japanese baseball player gambling…. You’d have to be low IQ to believe something so stupid
filihok
wh
Rotted brains are dumb brains
Terry O'Reilly
The government never is wrong and always releases factual information.
Travis’ Wood
That’s right Terry, I’m sure the government is lying to coverup a Japanese baseball player gambling. Or maybe you’re just clueless?
Easy as 1 2 3
So you seriously think the MLB, who’s owners back political campaigns of very powerful people in this country, and have agreements with state and federal government organizations concerning their stadiums, tax status, and many other things wouldn’t ask the federal government to cover up for someone as big as Ohtani who was just paid 700 million dollars and him being banned would hurt revenue of the MLB and hurt revenue of people they back?
LOL. ok. sure. totally impossible would never happen.
The federal government is immune to giving favors to people that pay them lots of money and definitely don’t excuse crimes, german scientists during ww2 excused of war crimes in exchange for helping develop nukes to defeat germany.
Yeah, really hard to understand why the FBI would $$$lie$$$ for the MLB when it comes to $$$$$$ohtani$$$$$$
Guard the Vogt
Travis, curious, what do you do for a living?
BlueSkies_LA
Distraction alert!
Travis’ Wood
LOL you think the MLB went to the FBI to cover up Ohtani gambling and they were just like “yeah sure no problem we’ll just cover that up and lie to the public”. What a DELUSIONAL take. I’m glad I actually have a functioning brain
Travis’ Wood
What on earth does my job have to do with anything?
White Sox Suck (2-14, shutout 5x)
Didn’t the mlb interfere with federal investigations into steroid usage and vow to fight and resist subpoenas at the time?
nytimes.com/2005/03/10/sports/baseball/congress-an…
They even hired former senate majority leader to lead an investigation into steroid use lol.
npr.org/2007/12/13/17220752/timeline-key-moments-i…
Bonds was actually charged with lying and obstruction of justice wasn’t he? And all that really happened was nobody signed him after 2007.
But they’re totally above protecting Ohtani from lesser crimes and the money associated with him?
Guard the Vogt
Oh Travis, it has everything to do with everything!
BlueSkies_LA
Distraction alert, second warning!
Travis’ Wood
MY job has everything to do with everything? You’re not even making a lick of sense lol
Travis’ Wood
So they’re covering it up by letting the story out and then covering it up???? I cannot even believe how dumb you sheep are
White Sox Suck (2-14, shutout 5x)
Im just curious why you think it’s impossible the mlb and/or Feds might let ohtani slide when the exact same thing happened during the steroid investigations. Stories got out about steroid users too. Undoubtedly mlb and the Feds covered up more than got released publicly about steroid users. 100% chance that is fact.
Balco and Biogenesis mlb really didn’t do much except suspend some mid tier players and the Feds investigating didn’t do much about the players involved. Almost like it was all for show personally
BlueSkies_LA
In what possible way could they be letting him “slide” when the money was stolen from him and the bets placed by someone else?
White Sox Suck (2-14, shutout 5x)
K how’d Ippei gain the necessary information such as routing numbers account numbers security questions/answers social security number any relevant information to make this happen? Will that be made available to the public or are we just suppose to assume “he got all that information somehow ” don’t ask questions about it?
Fyi allowing/granting people access to your accounts you can still be charged as a co conspirator if they use those funds to commit crimes even if you’re unaware of what they’re doing with the money. Messed up I know but legally they can pursue charges against you.
BlueSkies_LA
Read the stories and you won’t have to ask questions like this. If you’re still disbelieving, you can also read the indictment for more of the gory details about how it was done. The feds made it completely clear that Ohtani was the victim.
White Sox Suck (2-14, shutout 5x)
Read them.
Did not go much into detail about how Ippei acquired the information. It did go into detail about how he executed his plan but did not explain how he acquired the necessary information to do so.
“Ippei helped ohtani set up a bank account in 2018” doesn’t really explain how he came to acquire secret information that’s between the bank and ohtani.
To each their own blue skies. Maybe you’re not curious like me and others and fine with a generic story that has more holes than Swiss cheese in it. But im not satisfied with it.
Yeah. Feds say a lot of untrue things
You can keep your doctor
Vietnam
not trading weapons for people , Iran contra
Weapons of mass destruction
No new taxes
CIA not involved in coke dealings
Far as the fbi
Steele dossier
Falsifying denying FOIA requests
1960s discredit disrupt destroy black organizations and movements
07 an fbi agent impersonated an AP journalist and infected a computer with malware
BlueSkies_LA
Groan. You are beyond help.
White Sox Suck (2-14, shutout 5x)
Cause there’s holes in the story? Yeah don’t question anything accept things as is.
Anyways. We will probably never know how ippei was able to
“answered security questions related to Ohtani’s biographical information to wire funds to a bookmaker”
Seems like an important detail they’d want to address of how he obtained that private information between ohtani and the bank.
And I’m sure they’ll never explain why Ippei has a “voracious appetite for illegal sports betting,” but only started in 2021 not sooner. I haven’t seen records indicating he was illegally betting from 2018-2021, got himself in some gambling trouble, and that’s why he started stealing from ohtani. Nope just one day decided I feel like being a compulsive gambler but should use ohtani’s money. Or why Ippei created the account in 2018 but started using it in 2021. 3 years is a long time for a compulsive/voracious gambler.
But you’re right don’t ask questions. Better to not know.
filihok
WSS
What if the holes in the story are because you’ve only read the Cliff’s Notes?
JoeBrady
White Sox Suck (2-10,shutout 3x)1 day ago
Maybe you’re not curious like me and others and fine with a generic story that has more holes than Swiss cheese in it.
====================
That’s about right. Some people will read and absorb just enough to allow to rationalize that they are correct.
1-The report says that $40M was lost in gambling, and that $16M was allegedly embezzled from Ohtani. That means someone still has a $24M debt. Are we to believe that Ippie owes a bookie $24M?
2-Why did the bookie text Ippie that it was a cover job?
3-Did Ohtani simply never once read any of his financial documents? Not even annually?
filihok
JB and WSS
“Maybe you’re not curious like me and others and fine with a generic story that has more holes than Swiss cheese in it.
====================
That’s about right. Some people will read and absorb just enough to allow to rationalize that they are correct.”
Exactly
But, the other way
None of us here have the full story
Hopefully, we all know that
So, to say “the story doesn’t add up, so it’s a coverup”, is absurd.
The people who have the most information day Ohtani is not a suspect. I’m not arrogant enough to seriously doubt that.
JoeBrady
None of us here have the full story
===================
Of course not. But based on circumstantial evidence, it’s virtually impossible to think Ohtani is not involved.
1-Ippie is not getting a million $$ line of creidt.
2-Ippie is unlikely to be able to scam $16M form the bank.
3-Ohtani is unlikely to have never opened any of his bank statements.
4-There is $24M unaccounted for. Ippie does not owe the bookie $24M.
5-The bookie admitted it was a cover job.
It feels impossible that an unbiased person can look at the evidence and decide that Ippie did all this on his own.
jerseyjohn
Haha! Like that is supposed to give anyone assurances? The government is the biggest organized crime ring in history.
Travis’ Wood
Right cause the FBI is definitely covering up a a Japanese baseball player gambling. Are you actually that stupid?
woodhead1986
TO WHAT END? For what reason?? If ohtani really was guilty, and there really was a cover up; we would never hear anything! They don’t publicize schemes like that haha omg
stymeedone
Has the govt said it has concluded its investigation or is the investigation still in progress? Ohtani and his interpreter were never the focus. The gambler who took the bets was. Things they find along the way are not the priority, and it may be a while before everything comes out. Lets wait to see the conclusion.
Travis’ Wood
Sure more stuff might come out. But the venn diagram of people who think this is a government coverup and people who think the earth is flat is a circle. Conspiracy theory wackos are a cancer to society
Terry O'Reilly
Just like all those weirdos who said the sun did not rotate around the earth when the government said otherwise. They should be burned at the stake for having a differing opinion.
Travis’ Wood
There is no way you just compared the Ohtani situation to believing the sun rotated around the earth. Get off the internet dude it’s rotting your brain
jerseyjohn
Since you have it all figured out… I guess we won’t be hearing from you anymore on this topic. What kind of lunatics think that money and influence have a voice in this country? Our system never rewards the rich or turns a blind eye to certain people’s missteps. Our 3 letter agencies are beyond reproach and it’s sheer lunacy ever to question them. Next, some whacko will say Covid was made in a lab.
BlueSkies_LA
And the winner of today’s double frowny.
🙁 🙁
Congrats, it was an especially hard fight today, but you did it.
User 3180623956
Unless you’re part of the investigation or are privy to it, obviously it’s going to seem something is off or isn’t right. Don’t be an idiot. Ohtani is completely innocent until proven otherwise.
James Midway
16M is a large amount to not notice.
woodhead1986
People have never been victims of fraud and embezzlement is fake! It’s a conspiracy! Manfraud! Free bauer! Lmao you guys are so out of touch
James Midway
So saying 16M is a large amount not to notice says all that wow. Not noticing 16M missing is pretty out of touch if you ask me. I didn’t accuse anyone of anything, I just said it’s a lot to not notice and you lost your mind. I think that says more about you than it does about me.
empirejim
You act like the 16M was there one minute and gone the next. The reality is that there were MANY much smaller transactions over the course of several years. Considering Ohtani’s multiple income streams it’s not at all hard to imagine a trusted confidant being able to skim enough off the top to eventually amass a significant number.
James Midway
But that is why he would have a money management firm. Most people that make a decent amount hire a firm to do a lot of their financial things (investments, taxes, etc…). I can buy Ohtani maybe didn’t notice. But his financial firm should have. Even if the transfers were under 1M.
The transfers were listed as “loan”. These “loans” were never paid back. These were supposedly not noticed by Ohtani or his financial team. That is a really bad financial firm. I think it raises more questions. Did his team claim the unpaid loans on taxes? Is the financial firm he hired ripping him off too? Did they report it and he just didn’t do anything?
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@James why are you assuming Ohtani had a financial team overseeing everything? I have never seen that reported , or that he even has an accountant. Just perhaps his agent knows some of his Financials.
empirejim
If the firm finds a discrepancy and wants to talk to Ohtani about who is the interpreter?
James Midway
I am assuming that Ohtani doesn’t download TurboTax and start going to town. He has people do that. Heck, I don’t make a ton and I have someone that does that as well as investing. I doubt Ohtani is doing all of his investing. He has people for all of that.
I’m not accusing him of anything. People keep freaking out. I’m simply saying it’s strange that Ohtani and his team didn’t notice that much money missing.
Spotswood
Wait… so $16M isn’t a large amount of money not to notice missing from a bank account?
CKinSTL
But it was noticed. That’s why you’re reading about it.
LATrolleyDodger
Hence, investigation!
James Midway
It was only noticed because the feds busted the gambling ring and found Ohtani’s name on some of the transfers. From everything that has been said it wasn’t noticed by Ohtani or his team before that. My question is why was it not noticed before the ring was busted?
Spotswood
No, they noticed it because they were investigating the bookie. According to the 2nd account from Ohtani he wasn’t aware Mizuhara had taken the $$
stymeedone
After how many years? Even a competent tax preparer would have asked questions.
BlueSkies_LA
What questions?
Troy Percival's iPad
The most head-scratching part of this is that Bankrupt California, of all states, has yet to legalize sports gambling.
Make it federally allowed (as it should be) and this is…. grand theft? who cares
jopeness
@16, California isn’t bankrupt, it just is about to run a 73b deficit. Even so, legalized gambling I don’t think is the solution. if you’re not being fiscally responsible, adding more money isn’t going to do anything. legalize it when you are not so far in the red so that money can actually be used for programs and whatever is agreed upon, not to pay the bills for previous budget shortfalls. I’m generalizing the introduction of legalized gambling as a strategy, I’m not informed enough on what is going on with the Cali budget to give an educated opinion.
Nevrfolow
Vegas and Reno would lose too much foot traffic if they did that. I’m willing to bet Nevada had money on ads that gambling was bad when it was up for a vote this past year.
Captain Fernandez
They should look into if bets were placed on where he would end up in free agency, considering the whole Toronto “flight” rumors, when everyone knew he was heading to the Dodgers prior to the 2023 season….
CKinSTL
Why would a bookie take that bet from someone in Ohtani’s inner-circle?
Captain Fernandez
Unless he disclosed the information, why would he assume a Japanese man is Ohtani’s interpreter for placing a bet?
CKinSTL
If a bookie is extending you a substantial amount of money on credit, they know exactly who you are.
Phree4u
Quite possible ippei was making bets elsewhere using inside information to supplement his losses with this bookie.
There’s still 24 mil in losses unaccounted for. How did he pay that money?
Spotswood
It appears Mr. Mizuhara is a master of disguise. If he can pass for Ohanti, does he have any limits?
stymeedone
Banking can be done over the phone and even on line. No Hollywood makeup required.
Spotswood
Since when?
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Since the internet, bro….
mlb1225
Honestly, I have no idea what to believe anymore. I originally believed that Ohtani covered Ippei’s gambling debt, but changed the story because that would still land Ohtani in hot water. But Ippei has also lied about his education, so who knows what else he’s lied about? However the one thing I do believe is that Ohtani never bet on sports. Japaneese baseball players are trained to be super disciplined, and Ohtani has come off as an extremely disciplined person and player. Of course, we don’t know entierly what he’s like off the field. I just find it hard to believe he’s a gambler.
jopeness
@1225, I agree, my initial thoughts were the same when the story broke and then the change of what happened. My biggest question of all this is how someone could run up that kind of debt and be in one piece. he must have been known and having this outstanding debt could certainly compromise Ippei for information
LATrolleyDodger
You pay to play in those rings and name dropping one of the biggest names in baseball is not a bad way to charm em
stymeedone
“Japanese baseball players are trained to be super disciplined…”
Stereotype much?
Astros Hot Takes
do you dispute that that is generally true?
mlb1225
I mean they are. Watch Baseall Doesn’t Exist’s video on the practices they use in Japan baseball to train players. It’s insane, even down to the little league level. It’s so bad in some cases that human rights groups had to step up and say something about it.
JoeBrady
Stereotype much?
======================
Are you saying all cultures are identical?
7t8390248
Not trying to pick sides, but….
If he was losing money gambling and needed more, what stopped him from stealing more from Ohtani? That just doesn’t add up to me.
woodhead1986
They did notice, eventually. That’s why he’s being charged…
YankeesBleacherCreature
$16M isn’t enough for someone who never cleared more than $500K in yearly salary? He would’ve probably continued to gamble if the bookie wasn’t caught by the feds and they didn’t see the name “Ohtani”.
Neon Cop
People actually believe neither Ohtani or his advisers knew about this? LOL. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
woodhead1986
Yeah the federal government is covering for a foreign baseball player, that’s the most likely conclusion.
Neon Cop
It’s amazing that so many people trust the federal government. Tons of people get paid off behind the scenes; so much $ to be made. Have you ever googled the FBI?
woodhead1986
Lmaoooo omg you’d really rather believe ohtani BRIBED THE FBI instead of a situation where an athlete was ripped off? something that’s happened to many big stars like Tim Duncan and KG and many others. Touch grass dude.
Neon Cop
Ray Lewis quite possibly KILLED a guy & never went to jail. Gotta protect the cash cows. Who said Ohtani “bribed” them?
DepressedDodgerFan
This made me chuckle. Absolutely mind boggling that these people are being so dense. The feds are covering up a gambling scheme for a baseball player! Like it sounds just as stupid as they do….I love the war you’re fighting though woodhead keep battling the haters
Neon Cop
What’s mind boggling is how Ohtani & his people had no idea $16 million went missing. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid tho, dumdum.
woodhead1986
I’m not even a dodger fan lmao, I just can not believe the cognitive dissonance holy moly
woodhead1986
Drinking the kool-aid = not being so doggedly committed to a conspiracy theory based on literally nothing. Yeah ok I’m the stupid one here.
Neon Cop
Ahh yes, Ohtani has complete control over everything in his life EXCEPT his money. Imagine being this naive…
woodhead1986
So every other time an athlete or celebrity got ripped off, was that a massive cover up too? Or is it just this time? Please enlighten me
7t8390248
That has nothing to do with what the guy said. Weird how an accountant didn’t notice, right?
And to answer, this story is fishy, so it’s very different from other cases.
Neon Cop
Were those other athletes world-famous for having fanatical control over every aspect of their lives like Ohtani was? Just take the L and move on LOL
woodhead1986
Take the L yourself dude, I’m not the one who’s doing the mental gymnastics required for this level of self delusion. Enjoy your weird life
LATrolleyDodger
Not just the FBI… but the IRS and California’s DA office. All participating in the mass cover up
Spotswood
Agreed…cause the government and FBI have never lied. It appears someone has a personal stake in this and is a bit unhinged.
Easy as 1 2 3
Wrong interpretation.
Feds, who have a long history tied to billion dollar industries like the MLB, who have money tied into politicians, stadiums, and many other things at the state and federal level, arent interested in pursuing anything against ohtani because it would affect cash flow. Imagine how much money the MLB would lose if he were actually banned for life.
You think the MLB wont cover up or ask friends in high places to look the other way for a dude who is the face of the entire sport and just signed 700 million dollars watching ticket sales sky rocket in price?
Lmao. Its money related. Ohtani’s nationality has 0 to do with it.
dodgersdan
Do you think the accountant communicated directly with Ohtani in Japanese? Or is it more likely they communicated through his interpreter, who could tell both sides whatever lie he wanted to tell?
Spotswood
That’s a great question. I’d say Ohtani wouldn’t be using my accountant and would have one that spoke Japanese. Japan has a few good accounting firms.
Neon Cop
This is the real answer…THANK YOU
dodgersdan
I imagine he’d probably have a U.S.-based accounting firm just because he’s living here, earning (most of) his income here, and (obviously) banking here. Probably one recommended by his agent, who also doesn’t speak Japanese. But yeah, these are just assumptions — hopefully this information comes out.
Easy as 1 2 3
So Ohtani is an idiot who gave his interpreter his
routing numbers
account numbers
login information
social security number
security questions and answers
any necessary “confirm identity” information to do all this via phone
And why didn’t the accountant send an email written in japanese? Google translate is free right? I’ve written people in multiple languages via email and text using google translate. So how come no one contacted him directly? Did they not have his phone number? email address?
So ohtani had no communication with people outside his interpreter and no one thought that was fishy? All communication went through his interpreter?
So he’s either the world’s biggest idiot on full display making very questionable life decisions and should get a brittany spears level treatment cause he clearly cant function as an adult in society. Or theres more to the story.
Easy as 1 2 3
Every time an athlete got ripped off it usually stemmed from someone being involved in the finances of said player whether it was a financial advisor or someone who oversaw charity funds or something,
Ohtani’s situation is different cause he wants us to believe Ippei his interpreter who had 0 financial responsibilities somehow acquired all his personal information
routing numbers
account numbers
security questions and answers
social security numbers
faked a government issues ID
to access ohtani’s bank accounts, set up fake accounts, and wire money all remotely no questions asked by anyone cause he had all the important information to initiate approve and make the transactions happen.
Ohtani has not indicated how Ippei acquired all that information and he has not said “yeah i let him handle my finances” to my knowledge. So are we to assume Ohtani is just some giant idiot who handed over all necessary information to an interpreter best friend? Yeah no. Highly unlikely.
DepressedDodgerFan
It is mind boggling that the money was taken unnoticed….I completely agree, but my mind is open to any outcome though. I don’t see enough evidence to explicitly say he was covering his ass. As of right now, I don’t think the Feds are covering for Ohtani simply based on sport betting…comparing that to Ray Lewis’ murder case is kind of far fetched? Besides, I doubt a friend would ever take the fall for wire fraud and risk multiple years in federal prison…maybe that’s just me.
If it turns out he is involved, well I’ll be damned! We’ll see how it all plays out though.
“Dumdum” cmon brotha how old are we?
stymeedone
I would hope if you were accused of killing someone, “quite possibly” would not be enough to convict you.
stymeedone
Bonds had the HR record. Rose had the hits record. Being the face of the sport didn’t seem to protect them.
Roll
routing numbers
account numbers
security questions and answers
social security numbers
faked a government issues ID
even if he wasnt the one that set it up as per the attorney have you ever heard of a check? It has both the routing and account numbers on it.
He has been with Ohtani for what over a decade? You dont think he knows his hometown, favorite pet, probably even his mothers maiden name, and he might have even been the best friends name. He probably met all of the above multiple times.
do you think he blindly translated contracts and/or forms for him to sign? You open up an account you will need a social security and i dont know of many banks that have japanese forms at the ready. Heck he probably filled out majority of them for him and just had him sign. Most just ask your last 4 digits and dont even need to know the whole thing.
He did this fraud over the phone no id required. Most identity frauds are people that know you best. Also If ohtani was in street clothes and tapped you on the shoulder for directions would you know its him? This fraud was as easy as 1 2 3 for Mizuhara.
LATrolleyDodger
Roll, I’m rollin with you. Spot on.
It was shown that Ippei withheld the bank account information from accountants and his agent Bolelo. With someone’s trust, you expect them to be giving you correct information and translations. Easy to tell Shohei one thing and the English only speaking accountants and agent another.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
What did the Dodgers do to make your booty hole hurt so much? Inquiring minds want to know….
Phree4u
Any reputable institution dealing with this account of money would bring their own interpreter into any meeting or to transcribe phone calls for their records.
They would do this solely to protect themselves from EXACTLY THIS.
Phree4u
7 foot tall ohtani
5 foot tall ippei
Yeah.. I’d have an idea
(Actual heights may vary)
Roll
if its scheduled yes very possible but as this was done over the phone is your translator going to know Ohtani’s voice vs Mizurha? What if ohtani has a cold are you going to deny his transactions until he is feeling better? How much are you going to pay this person for just in case and to be available 24/7 or are you going to tell a client you can only do transactions when we want you to. Also who or multiple people are you letting go to hire said person for this in case as this is an expense and if they are available 24/7 im sure thats a weighty bill.
Reputable institutions have insurance for these instances to help try make the customer whole and protect themselves which im pretty sure is required by law. They do quite a bit for security but as any major company or even yourself. If a hacker or id thief wants it bad enough they can pretty get it and the weakest person in security is you. Sadly it is the investigations that take forever especially in these amounts as to who is liable.
Roll
so phree
what you are saying is all 6’4 asians are ohtani? got it.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Conspiracy theories be darned including any of my own.
RunDMC
Has anyone checked on Dekopin?
LATrolleyDodger
He’s just the decoy
ohyeadam
This is going to be a movie in 25 years
YankeesBleacherCreature
Not the same but “Molly’s Game” book or movie may interest you. Some baseball players were involved.
Easy as 1 2 3
0 percent chance Ohtani did not notice 16 million dollars missing. No way in hell.
“Mr. Mizuhara lied to the bank to access the account … lied to them about being Mr. Ohtani”
This is a worse cover up story than “deflator means losing weight” argument the Patriots pushed out years ago
woodhead1986
Do you think you’d check your bank account often if the number was guaranteed to be in the 9 figures every single time? I bet you wouldn’t. especially if, say idk, you were a pro athlete who played 2 sides of the ball and had people who’s jobs it is to handle your stuff.
7t8390248
They didn’t do a good job if they didn’t notice 16 million dollars missing.
Easy as 1 2 3
So how come no one notified Ohtani 16 million, nearly 4x the reported 4.5 million, was missing?
Again. 0 percent chance he was unaware that much was missing. Whether he noticed it. Whether he was alerted by accountants, bank employees, whoever at some point someone noticed such a large discrepancy and made him aware.
Rockytop
Then why on earth did the “people who handle your stuff” not realize 16+ MILLION DOLLARS WAS MISSING? Is everyone Ohtani hires incompetent or a thief? Most unlucky guy in the world.
dodgersdan
Everyone Ohtani hired went through Ippei as the middle man in communicate with Ohtani. Ippei clearly misled and lied to many, many people throughout this scheme.
stymeedone
Did Ohtani have an aversion of hiring more than one person on his staff that spoke Japanese?
Phree4u
You do realize you can get financial forms in Japanese. Any language actually.
JoeBrady
Phree4u2 days ago
You do realize you can get financial forms in Japanese.
==========================
I worked for quite some time for the Japanese. All the banking forms from Mitsubishi came to me in English. I think it akin to “press 1 if you prefer English and press 2 if you prefer Spanish”.
stymeedone
So you agree that the people whose job it was to handle his stuff would have noticed?
30 Parks
… must be nice not noticing $16 million gone missing.
Spotswood
Or…or he actually new it was gone.
Occam’s razor.
No man
I think credit needs to be given to his new wife for going over his accounts and finding irregularities in the large withdrawals.
LATrolleyDodger
The article states that Mizuhara made changes to the bank account’s email and phone number, which would route notifications of transactions to himself. He also pretended to be Ohtani over the phone with the bank. Bank fraud and deception happens often. Gambling is also a real addiction.
IM is a grown man and made criminal decisions.
Put the torch and pitch fork down people!
Old York
@ LATrolleyDodger
That’s a lot of trust you put in your translator to be managing your bank account. Even if the guy doesn’t spend every living second checking his bank account, you’d think someone making multi-millions of dollars has accountants and financial institutions managing his account. This isn’t Joe or Jane in a middle America town working paycheque to paycheque.
LATrolleyDodger
Then why is bank fraud so prevalent then? If it is so easy to spot? Mizuhara was pretending to be Ohtani and if you are able to bypass authentication, then the going gets way easier.
I’d like to point out that this situation is a lot like Yolanda Salvidar and Selena Quintanilla. Yolanda started out as the president of Selena’s fan club in San Antonio, TX. Ended up building a close friendship with the singer that transcended their business relationship. That trust from the friendship led to Saldivar embezzling thousands of dollars from Selena’s companies. Sadly, that situation ended in Selena’s murder. The reason I bring this story up is because you ask how a “translator” could get to a point of money management. Building up trust with someone for over a decade and having a friendship clouds judgment. Money comes and goes so fast in todays world too.
User 4223176798
Anyone who finds joy in this situation is SICK. Gambling is a sickness. This man and his family and friends are paying the price. There is no joy here. Ohtani will rebound from the financial loss with his huge contract and endorsements. Life will go on for Ohtani. For the interpreter and his family, sad, very sad.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Well it sucks for Ohtani too. I have close family members managing an old family business where I’m completely hands-off. I’d be devastated to learn that they were stealing money and lying to me. The money itself is really secondary. That breach of full trust is hard to recover from and I wouldn’t be the same to trust someone close again.
luclusciano
Wouldn’t this be noted when doing taxes annually? I feel like a financial advisor or accountant would see this. Unless, was Mizuhara both of those?
Yankee Clipper
This is the part that seems…. Odd. There are so many things that would have to go so perfectly for him to be able to siphon that money, it’s almost impossible.
bmann300
So this guy was his interpreter and also his accountant? I can’t believe that Ohtani didn’t have an accountant or accountant firm handling his finances. That is hard to believe with the amount of money that is involved here. Also/ does he know his car warranty has expired?
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
“Hello I’m Ohtani I’d like to withdraw a mill to ..not bet with. Yes it’s me Ohtani,”
Non Roster Invitee
MASH episode where lotsa Koreans named Kim are getting free medical.
Hawkeye: your name please
Korean: Kim
Hawkeye: any proof?
Korean: points at chest, THIS IS ME!
filihok
Imagine being so arrogant that you think you know more about this situation than the people investigating it
:facepalm:
Jack Dawkins
I doubt that Ippei is taking the fall for 30 years. That’s 26½ years with good behavior of some hard time in a high security federal correctional institution. He will shave some of that time by helping the government make a slam dunk case against Bowyer but he is looking at a slam dunk conviction for himself too. If Ippei’s lawyer is any good, he will convince Mizuhara to enter a strict rehab program to look more repentant when he goes to trial.
B-rocker
So many proving they know so little about so much.
HEHEHATE
Interpreters. The new fall guys for any foreign player betting on around or influencing the integrity of baseball.
Duran Daddy
so how do you not notice this much money leaving your account..? either he is as dumb as a door knob or he was involved soemhow
woodhead1986
When do you think ohtani would have time to be smart? Genuinely. He’s a pro ballplayer who essentially has the work load of two of them, and he’s been a baseball robot for his whole life. Do you honestly think even 50% of pro athletes are intelligent?
radar
You might be right –I saw Jo Adell steal second yesterday
filihok
DD
or
You’d have to be dumb as a rock to assume that your experience as an average person allows your to relate to multimillionaires
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
16 Million Bucks? Great Googly Moogly
How many wire transfers was it before Ohtani and his accountant woke up?
As Popeye Doyle said many moons ago in The French Connection
I don’t buy that, Irv!!!!
CKinSTL
I wonder if any message from the financial advisor would have been translated by Ippei..
dodgersdan
The answer to this is yes. Ippei would’ve been in the middle of any of these interactions, and could have easily lied to both sides (and certainly did).
Terry O'Reilly
It’s fortunate for him that we don’t handle these situations in the same manner as Vietnam. Look at what’s about to happen to Truong My Lan for a similar violation.
YankeesBleacherCreature
It’s nothing alike. She owned a major national bank using shell companies and used it as a personal piggy bank while giving corrupt politicians handouts. The gov’t is using to taxpayer funds to pay out normal account holder victims who need the money.
Terry O'Reilly
And that’s different from our banks how?
YankeesBleacherCreature
So you’re advocating for him to receive capital punishment if he is indeed found guilty of his alleged crimes?
Ketch
When reached for comment, Ohtani said … something in Japanese.
Joke Credit to Michael Che, but that line kills me.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Darragh is updating us in real-time while reading the offical 37-page gov’t complaint. Thanks man!
leftcoaster
And with this news, general managers across the league locked themselves in their offices, curled up in the fetal position and sucked their thumbs, knowing full well an Ohtani suspension was their only hope of winning a World Championship in the near future.
Yanks4life22
Another global pandemic coming that we don’t know about?
Old York
No worries. Just ask the Fed to print some more money for Ohtani so he is made whole again.
prov356
My bank puts a freeze on my credit card if someone looks at my card wrong. I believe there is more to this story that will never be told. Mizuhara would have been interviewed under Miranda or a proffer letter. Once his statement is on record, he can’t change it because he can then face additional charges for lying to a federal agent (T18, USC, 1001), or have any plea agreement voided if he was found to be untruthful during a proffer.
User 2161944466
Total witch-hunt.
I’m starting a go fund me for Mizuhara.
Free Ippei.
Johnny utah
Go fund me?
For what?
Shohei paying him millions to take the fall
Interpreter gonna spend a year in jail
Then spend the rest of his life in tokyo being hand fed sushi rolls by geisha’s
Butter Biscuits
Ohtani deserves an apology from everyone here slandering his name
CravenMoorehead
I’ll make sure to forward the message to his new interpreter
Candlestoked
Libeling.
Still in talks
Amazing the restraint Mizuhara showed in not betting on baseball. This compulsive addict who stole millions from his “friend” was still able to not cross that line of betting on the sport he was closest too.
BlueBleeder
If you read the article in the Athletic, it has a lot more details that make it seem more plausible. In that article, it says Mizuhara set up the account in 2021. He told the accountants that Ohtani wanted complete privacy on the account. His baseball paychecks were auto deposited into the account. Mizuhara impersonated Ohtani over the phone to make transactions. Funds were sent from the account to the bookie, but winnings were funneled to Mizuhara’s personal account. FBI found zero texts between Mizuhara and Ohtani about gambling. Zero.
AngelsFan1968
Ohtani’s total gross baseball salary (including a signing bonus of 2,315,000) between 2017-2022 was 12,710,000. Add in his 2023 salary that’s a gross salary/earnings of 42,7100,000. So let’s say he nets at most half, that’s 21m, in which over 16m is stolen? So did he wait until the end of the 2023 season to make the biggest heist? Or was also siphoning his endorsement earnings?
None of the statements so far make any sense.
YankeesBleacherCreature
That bc the relevant info is slowly being dripped out. Just bc pro athletes are great at their jobs doesn’t make them financially savvy. There was a top, young basketball player who opened over 50 bank accounts to deposit his signing bonus bc the FDIC only insures up to $250k per account. The team owner or some exec then told him that he didn’t need to do that to protect his money.
theroyal19
You’re missing the endorsement money. The estimates have been $40-50M+ in recent years.
Even if you go low end $10-20M/yr for 2017-2020, you’re still looking at potential for $250M in endorsements since 2017. ($125M after tax following your same 50% number)
AngelsFan1968
In responding @BlueBeeter, I just was trying to point out that his baseball checks alone probably weren’t enough to cover the 16M+ in thefts.
So yes, Mizuhara had to have had access to his endorsement earnings as well.
Johnny utah
There is no way on earth that anybody steals $16 million from Shohei Ohtani, even his best friend or interpreter. You cannot wire transfer that amount of money without the persons permission. And there was a report that Ohtani was the one who transferred the money, then they took the report back. They trying save to Ohtani. This is BS
The bookie who ran the illegal operation was arrested by FBI. The $ came from shoehi bank acct. the friend is taking the fall. We are in the f’in twilight zone
dodgersdan
Try reading the post that references the criminal complaint? Ippei impersonated Ohtani to the bank.
Johnny utah
Hahahha
Keep living in lala land
They came up with everything so the friend takes the fall
“Hi im shohei ohtani. Im japanese. We all look the same. I promise. Give me $16 million”
“Of course no problem mr ohtani. Heres 16 million dollars no questions asked!!!”
I’m asked for 19 forms of ID and a blood sample when trying to wire a hundred bucks, we’re talkin 16 million!!!
dodgersdan
You clearly did not read the criminal complaint. I suspect you’re not someone that minds embarrassing themselves on anonymous internet forums, but just in case you are: assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rxtbqz…
Easy as 1 2 3
So you and the people feeding the narrative want us to believe……
Mizuhara had all necessary documents – ss #, birth certificate, identification card issued by the state – to pretend to be Ohtani and open a bank account in his name
“The x5848 Account was held in the name of Victim
A and was opened in or about March of 2018.”
You also want us to believe that Mizuhara also forged documents pretending to be Ohtani in order to get funds directly sent to this account from mlb itself labeled payroll
“The x5848 Account was almost exclusively funded
by deposits identified as payroll, in the name of a Major League
Baseball (“MLB”) club located in Southern California, for which
Victim A played baseball during this time period”
And you want us to believe a compulsive gambler who lost millions of dollars on a 300,000 salary or whatever it was saved up enough money so he could transfer 15 million dollars in an 8 month time frame?
“Between February 2022 and October 2023, the x5848
Account wired at least $15,000,000 to the x1911 Account.”
empirejim
Documents? You think Mizuhara walked into a bank and said, ” Hi, I’m Shohei”? ID theft isnt an in-person crime, it’s an information crime.
theroyal19
Until you’ve dealt with that amount of money, you don’t know how it works. I worked for a company and processed wires fairly often for business and personal items($500k up to $30M). It only required electronic approval from someone who was authorized to process payment.
Johnny utah
@royal
Thanks for the educational lesson
I’ve actually wired nearly a mil
They have a special dept for such things
Million Q, and ID confirmations
Nobody is allowed to transfer that kind of $ on behalf of anyone else and no bank is stupid enough to allow a stranger to transfer $16 mil of someone elses $
Ya’ll believe anything you read
If the article said a dragon from the middle ages stole ohtani’s identity you’d defend it too
“Oh but thats what the article says. And ive worked with dragons before. They routinely steal $” gimme a f’in break. It aint my first day on earth. This is being swept under the rug. Ya’ll so ignorant its sad
Johnny utah
And 1 last thing for you ignorant f’in brainless uneducated fools
How the f is anyone gonna “impersonate” the most famous baseball player in america & the world? He fooled people into thinking he’s shohei the way i can walk into a bank & convince someone i’m ryan gosling. Get the f outta here
Ohtani is a little b****
Paid off his friend to take the fall
Manfred is crapping his pants at the idea of the #1 face of mlb breaking the law & going to jail or being banned from the game
theroyal19
Nah man. The only ignorance is from the people like you who think it couldn’t have happened any other way, it only works how you’ve experienced it and you can’t possibly be wrong.
B-rocker
Utah you are a moron.
Candlestoked
So much here
lost in translation!
Scream_name
Cough cough bullsh*t cough
Whiskey and leather balls
To the people saying why would Ohtani miss 16 mill when he has so much money…..like he is the only one managing his accounts and i highly highly doubt his interpreter was anywhere on that list. He probably had a credit card for daily errands So i guess all of them were in on it and we’ll see more charges against others post haste. Also, i’m setting an account up in a filthy rich persons name tonight gonna set up myself a gambling ring who’s in? Hahahahaaaaaaaa
metsfan79
wow 16 million million
njbirdsfan
Clearly the league and his fanboys are just going to sweep this under the rug.
Hopefully MLB knows what it’s doing putting all their eggs in this guy’s basket. This of course is the same league who went from the king of sports in this country to being eclipsed by NCAA women’s basketball so I don’t have much hope.
woodhead1986
Glad we could squeeze some casual misogyny in there, awesome work
User 2161944466
They should disclose the name of the bank. Their customers have a right to know.
Dennis Boyd
Tokyo Rose didn’t notice 40M in losses from his account? Sure, that’s believable…
woodhead1986
Lil racism for fun
Dennis Boyd
Nice ad hominem since you can’t dispute the fact. My off color insult (which is connected to hypocrisy, not race) has a legitimate question attached, what’s your reply?
woodhead1986
My reply is that guys like you will beleive what you want, no matter what is presented to you. I dont have all the answers but I have 0 belief in some grand scheme.
Dennis Boyd
You’re wrong about what data I use to form my beliefs, but this Ohtani story is missing lots of information and because he is a star, he is not being investigated. See, baseball has a reputation and he’s not being properly investigated to protect it. He may very well be innocent, but without a purposeful investigation, this is whitewashing…oops did I use a naughty word you need your safe space to handle?
woodhead1986
I’m not impressed by your “oh are you triggered!?” routine, it’s pretty pathetic actually. But since you have all the answers and know the inner workings of the fbi, I’ll, ahem, defer to your expertise
Dennis Boyd
Actually I don’t think either of us are triggered, but glad you realize you should defer to my expertise.
woodhead1986
Eye-roll emoji
Candlestoked
Dennis time to cancel your account
Dennis Boyd
I’ll take advice from a giants fan…never. Have fun in your broken crap city. Watch out for the human feces…
woodhead1986
gee I wonder who this guy votes for?
Candlestoked
Dennis come out with your hands up. We got you surrounded.
Dennis Boyd
I’m guessing I have little to worry if you two are surrounding me, but impressed you guys have the guts to engage.
woodhead1986
Lmaoo, you wanna take this outside?
radar
I’m a little guy and my bank will report to the Feds if I transfer or deposit a few thousand out of normal habits.
Geesh!
empirejim
I think your “out of normal habits ” is key… What are Ohtani’s normal habits, banking wise? Pretty sure banks and feds are all geared up for rich people moving around bigger blocks of change than the rest of us …
SupremeZeus
Read the criminal complaint.
assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rxtbqz…
dodgersdan
Quite a number of folks on this forum should be eating crow right now.
woodhead1986
They lack the humility, intelligence or emotional capabilities. So, they’ll double down and call everyone else crazy and then wonder why their kids don’t call.
Viveleempireevil
MLB and their empty suit commissioner have allowed Ohtani to completely avoid answering any questions from the press. Every other player is instructed that answering press questions is a condition of employment.
Except this guy.
And so it is no surprise that the Tax Dodgers are shielding this guy like he’s a China doll.
The whole thing continues to stink to high heaven.
How TF does $4.5m go missing and we’re supposed to believe he had no idea what was going on?
So much for “the greatest player in MLB history”.
woodhead1986
That last line is really it. People like you can’t handle that he’s the star that he is, and you’ll believe anything that allows you to ignore reality. Jealous and sad
LarryJ4
Anyone that thinks Ohtani is clear of all of this is gullible and have blinders on. No way he doesn’t notice losing 16 million. This is as blatant a MLB coverup there ever is. No way MLB would allow the actual truth come out as it’s cost them more money than ever with revenue from all facets of sports. Gambling (legal lol), sales, attendance, etc.
differentbears
I really enjoy living in a world where people don’t read and it doesn’t stop them from saying things like “this doesn’t add up.”
A world where a story of someone having millions allegedly stolen and it can’t simply be a crime that happened.
A world where people say it doesn’t make sense that someone could ever steal money from someone else and not get caught… in the comments section of a story where someone allegedly stole millions and it was clearly discovered.
And a world where it won’t matter what comes of this story, because the people who say all these things also say the media lies, the government lies, and the investigators lie.
It’s a lot of fun knowing those kinds of people are out there, refusing any and all information if it doesn’t fit their imagined worldview.
CF
And You have access to that information? Did the FBI release its investigation report? Can you link it please?
differentbears
documentcloud.org/documents/24542203-usa-v-mizuhar…
vjwhitmore
And if you believe that Ohtani had nothing to do with it there is also a nice bridge for sale cheap, across the East River in NYC
empirejim
The rough estimate from Forbes is that Ohtani made 65M in 2023. Over a 6 year period 16M was embezzled, about 2.67M per year on average. A little over 230K a month. Not an eye-catching number when the overall is considered.
An average guy making 65k a year and his gf takes 200 a month from his wallet. Perspective.
Gmen777
Except a wallet is physical with no paper trail. I get your analogy but there’s a legitimate electronic trail for this one
YankeesBleacherCreature
But what if his gf had full access to his bank account to help him pay rent, utilities, groceries, car payments, gas, housekeepers, etc.? She then spends a little something each month at a hair salon unbeknownst to him that it’s a dummy company with money washed through cryptocurrency for a bookie or a drug dealer.
Gmen777
Better analogy
Gmen777
Yeah maybe most people are jumping the gun saying Ohtani is flat out guilty but I find it equally laughable at how Dodgers fans are coming out of the woodwork to defend this guy like they know 100% he did nothing wrong? Do Dodgers fans have access to the FBI report while other fans do not? This entire story has changed numerous times, has more holes in it than Chris Davis’s swing and is just flat out suspicious. Personally I don’t know why he’d make bets with the amount of money he has but he had to know there was something going on.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
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MLB issued a statement on the matter, per Jesse Rogers of ESPN and others: “We are aware of the charges filed by the U.S. Attorney’s Office against Mr. Mizuhara for bank fraud after a thorough federal investigation. According to that investigation, Shohei Ohtani is considered a victim of fraud and there is no evidence that he authorized betting with an illegal bookmaker. Further, the investigation did not find any betting on baseball by Mr. Mizuhara. Given the information disclosed today, and other information we have already collected, we will wait until resolution of the criminal proceeding to determine whether further investigation is warranted.”
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K this is funny.
I knew MLB would be relieved to have a pretext to drop this subject, but I expected them to at least go through the motions of their own full investigation.
I said someone should crowdfund a giant rug for Manfred to sweep this under, but the FBI just donated it to him.
Not the best look if you want people to think you’re still serious about enforcing Rule 21 against any and all employees of MLB. But I guess the sanctity of that pretty much already went out the window when they started with Draft Kings partnerships.
Heck, just say you’re still going to do your own investigation, even if you don’t actually do it (or do the smallest, most trivial one possible). But whatever.
Jack Dawkins
So you want a civilian, Manfred, interfering with a federal investigation by interviewing key witnesses in a Homeland Security case? I don’t think the Feds would like that.
BlueSkies_LA
MLB never investigates potential criminal wrongdoing if only because any information they did obtain would then become evidence in a criminal case. This includes domestic violence allegations as we’ve seen so many times already.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@BlueSkies_LA
I have to presume your post is sarcasm. MLB, of course, went out of its way to investigate Bauer, long after the LA authorities announced they would not be pursuing charges.
BlueSkies_LA
You have this exactly backwards. MLB’s investigation into Bauer took as long as it did to complete because they could not interview anyone involved until the DA made a charging decision. The policy on domestic violence developed jointly by MLB and the PA is an employment policy. It has nothing to do with the law. The only connection between the law and the policy is the policy only comes into play when the law is does not. This is exactly what has happened to every other player who violated the policy but not found by law enforcement to have committed a crime. It’s happening with Urias right now. I’m sorry you don’t understand how this works, but your lack of understanding changes nothing about how it actually works.
Jack Dawkins
If MLB and Homeland Security/IRS tried to do simultaneous investigations, MLB could inadvertently create problems for the government with discrepancies in testimonies and/or breaches in chain of custody for any evidence obtained. It’s best to let the big dogs have their way first.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@BlueSkies
Settle down, first of all. I don’t know you and a difference of opinion isn’t attacking your knowledge. I honestly did think your post read as sarcasm.
Second, I think we’re getting hung up on whether or not MLB conducted their own extensive investigation of Bauer at all vs. whether or not it was investigating a crime. My whole point is they went out of their way to conduct their own investigation of Bauer, above and beyond the criminal investigation, and for the sole purpose of determining if and how MLB would punish Bauer in relation to his employment. You are reading in me connecting the dots to MLB conducting a “criminal investigation” that is not there. I agree they don’t do criminal investigations. They investigate whether their employees violated policies.
My sole point was MLB was very interested in investigating this question in relation to Bauer, and is transparently not interested in doing so when it comes to Ohtani. That’s it. Thanks.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@Jack
I have already said I don’t expect MLB to do a simultaneous investigation. I just expect it to do one, no more or less comprehensive than it was with Bauer. It looks to be a whole lot less than that, and looks both like obvious favoritism, and tacitly admitting MLB will not investigate betting on the sport for the right ballplayer. That is a bad look.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@Jack I said for MLB to do its own investigation. I did not say when.
The Bauer precedent, and others, is for MLB to go out of its way to note it can and will perform its own investigation, and can and will levy punishment regardless of whether the individual in question was found criminally liable.
So it should go with Ohtani. MLB can perform its own investigation after the Feds have wrapped up, explicitly with the goal to leave no stone unturned to confirm Ohtani did not, in fact, ever bet on baseball games while being an MLB employee, even if he did so in a jurisdiction where doing so is otherwise legal.
I didn’t make this precedent. MLB did. Except, as one could predict, MLB is conspicuously reluctant to follow that precedent with Ohtani, for obvious reasons. I would simply have expected MLB to be more careful about making plain the obvious favoritism, when that is evidently not the case.
If I have to spell it out, if Shohei Ohtani were Trevor Bauer, MLB would certainly be performing its own investigation, no question, after the Feds finished up.
BlueSkies_LA
Completely false, for reasons already explained.
Informed Sportsball Discussion
@BlueSkies
^ No context for this, but I think we have worked out our differences. Have a good day my new friend.
kingbum
I guess none of ya ever heard about the long con and really are just a bunch of suckers yourself. It takes time for Ippei to earn Ohtani’s trust. So Ippei opens this account in 2018 but Ohtani doesn’t trust him enough to handle financial matters until 2021. I’m going to assume Ippei’s role changed from interpreter to personal assistant and that would give him access to bank accounts. Personal assistants help manage basically everything in their bosses lives in which they are supposed to be trying to help. Ippei waited until Ohtani trusted him, then began bleeding him dry in 2021. I fully believe this story and that there is no cover up here. Shohei got misled by someone he thought had his best interest in mind, if anything what you would think Ohtani has learned is to have 2 people doing the same job checking each other’s work.
carlos15
You must have a lot of money for it to take $16m to realize anything’s missing
Smelly_Cobb
IIRC, the only way he was caught was through the bookie having payments to them from Ohtani’s bank account. Apparently it would still be happening if the bookie wasn’t caught by the feds.
vjwhitmore
This whole thing will be white washed… Most other players when under investigation are placed on the “restricted list”…
rememberthecoop
Must be nice to be so rich that you don’t notice 16 million missing!
Candlestoked
When my gal goes and takes $16 MM from my back pocket for some smokes an a Slurpee I feel it and I feel it good!
Randy 8
Cue the conspiracy theorists who think they know more than the FBI…
White Sox Suck (2-14, shutout 5x)
This the same fbi that sent like 20 agents to investigate a garage door handle as a hate crime?
Silas
@White Sox YOU NAILED IT
17dizzy
Don’t you know— Pete Rose is wishing he had an interpreter that could have been his fall guy?
White Sox Suck (2-14, shutout 5x)
So how did an interpreter gain access to all necessary information to pull this off remotely via phone?
So Ippei was able to gain access to his accounts (how’d he get username and password?)
Disabled alerts
Set up a new account in ohtani’s name (how’d he get information to open a separate account?)
He then funneled money between accounts and it never alerted ohtani but how’d it go unnoticed amongst accountants or financial advisors?
So no one tried to contact ohtani like text messages or mail or email?
Yeah there’s lot of missing parts to this story.
Will Dbax
Any bets on which team’s home ballpark will play The Gambler by Kenny Rogers first when their team plays the Dodgers and Ohtani is called to bat?
Candlestoked
The A’s in 3-4 years.
M.C.Homer
This is such an Angels scenario.
Did Ohtani bring the bad karma up the 5 freeway?
RockinRobin
I don’t care anymore.
I will leave all the commentary to the experts here who know the in’s and out’s of professional athletes personalities, the workings of the FBI, and the IRS.
matt35
I’m confused with how Ohtani didn’t realize 16 million dollars was missing?
Smelly_Cobb
There’s a lot of WOOD in this comment section
Wren
the new narrative that says he went w Ohtani as his interpreter to open a bank account is making more sense. he stole the account numbers and went to work. i’m no millionaire in cash but i couldn’t tell you my balances in cash in multiple accounts on a given day. in Shohei’s case you would believe he’d have hired professionals watching it but maybe he didn’t?
mab51357
There seems to be more to this but we may never know. As of now the worst thing Ohtani has done is not notice 16 million being drained from his account over a few year period. That seems a little suspicious. I personally like Ohtani and hope he’s not involved at all. I don’t think this is all the info that’s available though.
Jimmy Johnson’s Ghost
So I’m supposed to believe that an interpreter/assistant/friend of Parlay Ohtani making let’s say $300-$500k per year, somehow funneled nearly $20,000,000 from Ohtani without a personal accountant, business partner, or someone looking at his financial affairs raising an eyebrow?
REALLY?
Here’s my question (as a gambler in a state that it’s illegal as well) how does a guy that makes that kind of $ get that much credit with an illegal bookie? I mean the numbers we’re talking about are crazy and if you count his wins (we all win and lose plays) this guy allegedly has gambled nearly $50M.
YankeesBleacherCreature
ESPN site just spilled more details regarding his interactions with the bookie.
foppert2
Thank you.
Wow. The sh&t we get ourselves into. What a nightmare situation.
“Technically” is an odd word to use. So generally speaking, he didn’t steal from him, but technically speaking, he did.
queenie
Yep. You would have to have fallen off the proverbial turnip truck to believe this fantasy
UWPSUPERFAN77
Wonder if Superstar will have to borrow money from The Dodgers, since he is only getting 2 million a year in current salary. Most of his money is deferred!
queenie
Nike will covet his losses
irishmoon617
how the hell do you not know someone is stealing $16 million plus out of your bank account. something doesnt seem right. The way things are so corrupt in our country , I wouldn’t be surprise at all that major league baseball is covering something up. Since Ohtani is the face of baseball.
queenie
You can be sure of it
CF
I have no knowledge of anything that happened.
My only question is how stupid is Ohtani? Really?
Either way, whether he did know about the $16 million or not, he will forever be considered a fool for allowing his translator to put him in this situation…
Do I think it’s a cover up? I have no idea, but there is no cover up to the obvious fact that Ohtani is not smart and probably would be working at a fast-food place if he couldn’t hit or throw a ball.
What a fool!!!!
ocladfan
Americans lost $10 billion a year to fraud last year…so yeah it’s happens
CF
:Lol
Really, your translator stealing 16 million, your agent not knowing, your manager not knowing, your accountant not knowing and every other person who is working for Ohtani not knowing….happens all the time?.
Maybe shielding him so much is the reason why this happened.
Ohtani is not smart, that we definately have evidence of.
Cat Mando
“From the moment Ohtani landed in the U.S. with Mizuhara in tow, Mizuhara was his financial point person. In 2018 — likely during spring training, given that the pair were in Arizona — Mizuhara allegedly joined Ohtani at a bank branch and translated for him as Ohtani set up an account.”
“That was reportedly the account in which Ohtani’s salary from the Angels was deposited (Ohtani received $42,269,259 from the Angels during his tenure) and over which Mizuhara asserted total control.”
“Bank records reportedly show that the account was in Ohtani’s name, but the contact information connected to it was changed to Mizuhara’s phone number and an anonymous email address connected to Mizuhara. Transfers were allegedly made from the account using devices and IP addresses associated with Mizuhara.”
“Mizuhara allegedly went as far as pretending to be Ohtani when speaking with bank employees, according to calls recorded by the bank:”
“Let’s say you are a baseball agent who has a client who will someday sign a contract worth $700 million. Let’s say that client doesn’t speak English fluently and needs an interpreter to navigate life in the U.S. Let’s say that interpreter becomes the player’s de facto manager. Let’s say that interpreter tells you your client has a “private” bank account that not even the financial managers you hired can access.”
“At what point would you start using a different interpreter to verify this information? If your answer is sometime before or during that final point, congratulations. You are more communicative than CAA’s Nez Balelo was with Ohtani.”
“The complaint bears that out, with Balelo telling investigators that he does not employ any individuals who speak Japanese but will occasionally hire his own interpreters to communicate with clients. In Ohtani’s case, however, Balelo used only Mizuhara because he was always with Ohtani.
It appears that in their years-long history, Balelo has never actually talked to Ohtani without using Mizuhara as a go-between.”
Copy/paste any of that to find source material. The answers to your questions are on line and not hard to find… even the 37 page complaint against Miz is online.
BlueSkies_LA
You are more game for this than I am anymore. The conspiracy theorists won’t read it and even if they do will claim that it couldn’t possibly be true. They’re all seemingly hunkered down in their information free bunkers waiting for the rapture or something.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Some people are going to ignore the facts and only want to believe whatever is convenient to them. The complaint was an interesting read. I can presume that Ohtani was drawing only from his Japanese accounts with money earned there for personal expenses due to his lack of attention to his U.S.-based accounts. You would think Nez Balelo would try harder to get Ohtani to allow CAA’s CPAs to look inside his “private” account for tax reporting purposes. Mizuhara doesn’t come across as the sharpest tool.
BlueSkies_LA
Balelo is his agent, not his minder or even his business manager. The thing about conmen is they are really good at being convincing right up until they aren’t. Then their story falls apart and they are standing naked in front of the world. Then they go to prison.
YankeesBleacherCreature
CAA does manage his domestic endorsement/marketing money. He’s got a huge deal with New Balance. Yeah that whole story-flipping with ESPN was idiotic and a total panic reaction. Why would you leave your best friend in the dark and not speak with him first?! Or even speak with reporters in the first place? Lawyer the eff up and let the ESPN story drop.
Cat Mando
Blue……The sad part is when everything comes to light and more and more finally see and hear the details of how Ohtani had no reason not to trust his close friend who also happened to work for him. When more info is out there all of these who are screaming cover-up etc will either never mention it again or they will double down. You won’t hear any say…. “opps….I guess I was wrong”
BlueSkies_LA
His law firm sure didn’t help him any. Seems nobody there speaks Japanese either. Ohtani really needs a business manager and a minder, someone trustworthy who handles all the stuff in his life that isn’t about playing baseball. I’ll bet you a dollar that’s what happens.
BlueSkies_LA
Sadly, you are right. We’re seeing this already. It’s just a microcosm of so many other things going on today.
Though interestingly, Bill Platchke at the LA Times just ate a big helping of crow on this subject, admitting that he got it wrong the first time. But he’s probably already regretting saying so. The comments on his column are almost entirely negative. Another microcosm.
Unclenolanrules
Fast food workers work dude. At least they feed people. Have some respect.
Dennis Boyd
Since they fired his friend, er I mean his thief, doesn’t this trigger an opt out option in his contract?
Informed Sportsball Discussion
Would that make him a friendly thief, or a thiefly friend?
queenie
Another whitewash by the artist Manfred.
Cat Mando
Wow…..Manfred is the director of the FBI….who knew?
Smelly_Cobb
According to the affidavit, Mizuhara repeatedly texted the bookmaker asking for more credit. On Nov. 14, 2022, he wrote, “I’m terrible at this sport betting thing huh? Lol . . . Any chance u can bump me again?? As you know, you don’t have to worry about me not paying!!”
Wow, wild stuff
BlueSkies_LA
No kidding. And then he stole some more money.
People who don’t believe addicts behave this way, I don’t know. They need to get out more, I guess.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Addiction doesn’t discriminate. The lies… the manipulations… Sad end to this story really.
cencal
I don’t know anything but I hate that Ohtani went to the Dodgers and signed a giant contract so he is guilty!!
Trevor Bauer…….same thing!!!!
Guilty.
(Most people posting probably)
kingsfan1968
You must be an Angels fan! Bauer was exonerated and never prosecuted! So far, same thing with Ohtani!
CF
the DVRO he got says you are wrong…
cencal
Sarcasm my man.
The Bauer thing was an obvious BS story from the first moment it came out. He was stupid but not criminal. Should have never gotten to where it was/is.
My point is people are gullible and believe the headline, and even more so when they WANT something to be true because they don’t like the player, person, team, etc.
And I am a lifelong Dodgers. Even so, I wish Bauer could sue the Dodgers for all the money he was owed. Dodgers were cowards in all this
mrmackey
Lee Harvey Mizuhara.
Jack Dawkins
It’s interesting to see from these postings that many people do not make any distinction among IRS, Homeland Security, and FBI. They are not one and the same. Each has its own jurisdiction and mission. Not once in any news stories has the FBI been mentioned as an investigating agency. For the sake of accuracy, the posters citing FBI involvement should give it a rest.
YankeesBleacherCreature
You’re right. Only the IRS is. It’s in the official gov’t complaint.
Cat Mando
I like the people that say….Why is Homeland involved, this isn’t national security without realizing that under the Homeland umbrella are……
CISA (Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency)
FEMA
Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
Transportation Security Administration
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services
U.S. Coast Guard
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
U.S. Secret Service…Secret Service has primary jurisdiction to investigate threats against Secret Service protectees but they also investigate financial crimes; credit card fraud; telecommunications fraud; computer fraud, identify fraud and certain crimes affecting federally insured financial institutions.
That just might be why homeland is involved. /s
Adriann
That bookie text is the most seemingly thing about this story and obvious used to make sure nothing happens to Ohtani like the changing of the story.
I dont think Ohtani bet on baseball yet theirs still weirdness and other factors that will never be explained because this is why Ohtani went to the West Coast. To be where press isnt crazy and he gets to be treated like a dumb oblivious player.
kingsfan1968
Reminds me of Hockey Player Jack Johnson whose parents embezzled almost all his earnings and he had to declare bankruptcy. I believe his Dad was his agent / Mgr and put him on an allowance while lying about where his money was!
CF
The only person I want to hear from is the bookie when he cuts a plea deal.
Then we will know the truth, what ever that is.
FahQ
Lol… you can’t be serious. The illegal bookie is the source of all truth? Lmfao
CF
yeah, bc if the bookie makes a deal and lies, there goes the plea deal and say hello to 20 years in prison.
Yep. Please learn how criminal law works in the US. Thanks
rememberthecoop
Look, to anyone who says, “I know he’s guilty,” or “Of course it’s a cover-up”…just stop it because you don’t know. That said, is there reason for a healthy dose of skepticism? Certainly – the whole thing has smelled like sour milk from the start. But only Ohtani and his inner circle know for sure. And we may never know the truth. Even if the Feds believed Ohtani was guilty of a crime, they have to have evidence. So far, apparently, there isn’t any. The interpreter is going to jail, and Ohtani will be cleared of any wrongdoing. That’s just the way it’s going to be. We can speculate all we want, but none of us know anything except what we are told.
Jimbo_Jones
You literally speculated.
buya
Kenny Rogers Mizuhara
LordD99
Consider this a small IQ test. If you believe MLB has the DoJ, the Feds and the banking system in their back pocket, you fail.
Unclenolanrules
Congresscritters love grandstanding on this stuff. If they smelled blood they’d be calling up MLB execs under the whole anti-trust exemption to come explain some things.
LordD99
Yup.
JoeBrady
If you believe MLB has the DoJ, the Feds and the banking system in their back pocket, you fail.
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I hope you know that everything in the indictment could be 100% accurate. and that Ippie could still be placing the wagers on behalf of Ohtani.
Not sure why folks don’t understand that.
angels fan for life
Ok is dude going to jail over this if not biggest cover up in baseball
Echopark
I am really shocked by the overwhelming amount of commenters who seem to really want Ohtani to be guilty. The more exonerating evidence that comes in, the more it is dismissed as a cover up! So odd to me.
BlueSkies_LA
I wish I could say I was surprised, but this is really how we live today.
Dock_Elvis
I sincerely DON’T want Ohtani to be guilty. I love the game. I don’t want it damaged. But the affidavit raises very serious questions as to how 16M gets transferred without it being caught either by accountants or the banking system.
BlueSkies_LA
The indictment should clear this up for you. It explains in great detail how this crime was committed. No accountants were involved and if communications were required with the bank Mizuhara impersonated Ohtani over the phone. The money was skimmed off over a period of years, not all at once. This is how financial crimes are committed.
Dock_Elvis
BlueSkys…. If he impersonated someone on the telephone…that’s a very real issue. The bank allowed their own basic security to be breached.
Maybe we should call up our banks and see if they let us transfer money sight unseen. Possessing someone’s information is not ID.
Online accounts are backed by password. Or course those could be hacked. BUT that wouldn’t make a bank negligent.
What this says is that you or I with basic information stolen from Ohtani could have transferred that money out on the phone.
I’m not fully buying that without someone having knowledge within the institution. That just does not vibe. What, some bank teller just takes a call and is in awe…and let’s normal protocol slide? I’d buy that as soon as they became complicit through a bribe of some kind. We’re talking 16M dollars. Anyone dealing with those large sums would want to ensure smooth sailing and could possibly make that happen.
I’ve read the affidavit and there’s very concerning questions. I’m not saying Ohtani is implicated. But I’m not sold more aren’t involved.
BlueSkies_LA
The indictment doesn’t say which transactions required a call to the bank, but as I think we all know, banks don’t ID your voice. They use verification questions to determine if you are who you say you are. Since the indictment states that Mizuhara set up the account(s) for Ohtani he obviously had complete access including the ability to verify an identity to someone on the phone. He didn’t have to hack anything, except his trust relationship with Ohtani.
People get scammed out of large sums of money all the time. The banks really don’t care that much. They follow procedures but they aren’t responsible for preventing you from handing over control of your money to someone untrustworthy.
Dock_Elvis
My bank wouldn’t allow me to access my accounts even if I was present without some form of photo verification. In fact, my bank has my photo on file to pull up.
While I get that simple transactions are done online. These were not simple, nor small in nature….and repeated. Sounds to me like it was accountants in various places…Ohtanis agency, the banks, who actually began asking questions. The interpreter was being cornered from two sides. He also had the Feds on the bookie level coming.
Trust me…the banks care. They’re audited and must comply or be fined severely.
BlueSkies_LA
Addendum to my earlier post: after reading the entire indictment, I found it explains clearly that Mizuhara called the bank several times impersonating Ohtani to initiate a wire transfer to the bookie’s bank account. The first time he failed to convince the bank that he was the account owner and online access was frozen. He called back and by using personal information about Ohtani it was unfrozen and he was able to initiate the transfer. All of the online access to this account was from Mizuhara’s phone. Ironically had Ohtani attempted to access this account himself he probably would have been unable, since the phone number registered to the account was Mizuhara’s.
Also, Mizuhara told Ohtani’s agent and the accountant and the investment advisor he hired that Ohtani wanted this account to be completely “private.” He told them not to worry about the possible tax consequences because it wasn’t bearing any interest and wasn’t being used for any gifts. All communications went through Mizuhara. Nobody else involved speaks Japanese.
Read all the grisly details here (if you dare):
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Dock_Elvis
I’ve read it. And those details are being taken by word at some point and don’t perhaps speak to the depths of the involvement by anyone. It just says he talked his way into getting access. On some level that’s taking someone at their word. This case is NOWHERE near over…it’s not wrapped up..and it’s potential that someone is used as witness against a bookie operation and or a financial institution. The bank let more than 40M go…by breaching their fiduciary responsibility.
This is how Miami boomed in the 80s. Basically acting like a money launder for cartels. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that we have a COUPLE things going on….some outside of Ohtani and his potential knowledge.
We might be seeing a bank get busted and a larger gambling operation busted.
BlueSkies_LA
You’ve totally lost me now. I guess it was only a matter of time. Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt.
Unclenolanrules
Sorry yo. 16 million means:
1. The interpreter was in cahoots with Ohtani.
2. The interpreter was in cahoots with Ohtani’s lawyers/investment banker types.
That’s my thought. Not that it matters.
FahQ
And all those text messages the investigation
produced indicating Ohtani was not involved are fake too! Is that right? Lol I guess law enforcement is in cahoots too! Because you know… they all be on Dodgers payroll!
JoeBrady
I read the entire thing. It is just as likely as Ohtani was involved as not. If I were a betting man, no pun intended, I’d gladly bet that Ohtani was involved.
Smelly_Cobb
agreed Joe
B-rocker
Try reading for comprehension next time
BlueSkies_LA
A brave man, considering it’s a bet you already lost.
Never wonder for a minute how Ohtani was scammed.
JoeBrady
As I’ve said before, I have no objection to the coverup.
But there is very little chance I am wrong. Just consider these common sense issues”
1-He needs to obtain all of Ohtani’s credentials.
2-He needs to bypass the bank security systems.
3-He needs to establish a million $ line of credit with a bookie, when the dude might make $200-300k.
4-The indictment says $40M was lost, but only $16M was stolen to cover the $40M. Is there even the tiniest chance that Ippie owes the bookie $24M?
5-Ohtani had to never open up his bank statements for 26 months.
None of t his happens in real life. I don’t usually say this, but I don’t think there is any chance I am wrong.
Grasscutter
Ohtani never thought to look at a bank account or brokerage account statement? No one is that busy, that at least once a year, you look at your financial statements.
TGH31
Such a farce. We all know Mizuhara was funneling that cash to John Fisher so he could sign the ‘big free agent’, Ross Stripling
Joe Sweetnich
The only thing I admire about the state of California is that sports betting is illegal
GarryHarris
Just as Ulnar Collateral Ligament Reconstruction is known as ‘Tommy John Surgery’, the sports industry fall guy will now be known as an ‘Ippei Mizuhara Steward’.
Don T
Betting on sports or anything else makes as much sense as playing the lottery and is for suckers. Sooner or later you’re going to lose your shirt. Only play with the money you’re prepared to lose. I’ll keep my money thank you.
joemoes
The most suspicious thing of all is. Someone who is a degenerate gambler didn’t bet on baseball at all. But bet on every other sport
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
For a lot of reasons, I hope Ohtani is no more than a perfectly innocent victim. But, really! How does someone siphon off that much cheese and Ohtani not know?
Hard for me to explain or understand since my bank account is, shall I say, not in that stratosphere.
If all turns out the way it is now being portrayed, the worst anyone can say about Ohtani is that he was a fool.
But you know what they say about a fool and his money.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
I would compare Ohtani being completely innocent with how completely bizarre this all is with OJ not being guilty in his infamous court case in middle 1990’s.
MPrck
Being swept under the rug, Can you imagine what would be done to a white ballplayer ? Saying he didn’t know his money was gone ? What a hoot. Pete an Joe and the black sox, oh well. Times they are a changing.
ArianaGrandSlam
He’s used to be Ohtani’s bi*ch, now he’s about to be someone else’s bi*ch for 30 years.
Teamspirit
Shohei has so much money, he didn’t even know some was missing. Wish I had that problem. This whole thing is a laugher to me. So much money, such a big sandbox and people get greedy? No kidding.
Dock_Elvis
His accountants would miss 16M. That’s actually a substantial sum for him..even over several seasons. I’m married to an elite cpa….they’re Dobermans.
User 4223176798
The criminal affidavit contains all of the details. Stop the speculation: documentcloud.org/documents/24542204-usa-v-mizuhar…
Dock_Elvis
Time to talk to the bank employee who allowed 500K up to 16M to be transferred OVER THE PHONE. Wonder what kinda car they’re driving. I’m weeding through this affidavit. Since when can you just call a bank? With the immense bank fraud that has occurred…16M isn’t gonna make a major bank even wince at applying security rules. Sounds like they might have had a stooge in the bank.
Silas
It’s all just “lost in the translation”….
Dock_Elvis
Lied to them about being Mr. Ohtani? What!?!? He got access to the account and pulled 16M….and NO one with Ohtani’s financial team picked up on that, Yeah….I’ll call bs on that!
They very carefully worded that Ohtani is not a suspect at this time.
His accountants would have nailed this over time. 16M is a SUBSTANTIAL sum.
Cat Mando
He hand no financial team…Miz was the sole point person
Dock_Elvis
None in Japan even?
I’m still calling bs on the banking institution. That was a major breach of security. From what I have gathered these were made by phone call.
Ohtani has an agent…various other people. And his money was handled by a single person? That’s a LOT of trust. Likely close enough of a person that you might be aware of their personal habits and concerns.
Feds ran these charges fairly quick. Wherever they believe this is going. They now basically have the interpreter set to talk.
I just can’t see Ohtani being this naive, nor the financial institutions allowing this. They have ZERO incentive. Who was the bank? I can’t find that..
Bank of America has a 300 billion market cap. They wouldn’t blink at applying basic security.
Guessing they set up this account someplace smaller.
Ohtani at minimum was set up as part of a slow burn scam basically going back go the time he came to America.
Unreal!
CF
Ohtani has no agent? Manager? Accountant? Financial advisor?
He is the strangest celebrity. Most have multiple people working for them.
Cat Mando
CF……………..
“From the moment Ohtani landed in the U.S. with Mizuhara in tow, Mizuhara was his financial point person. In 2018 — likely during spring training, given that the pair were in Arizona — Mizuhara allegedly joined Ohtani at a bank branch and translated for him as Ohtani set up an account.”
“That was reportedly the account in which Ohtani’s salary from the Angels was deposited (Ohtani received $42,269,259 from the Angels during his tenure) and over which Mizuhara asserted total control.”
“Bank records reportedly show that the account was in Ohtani’s name, but the contact information connected to it was changed to Mizuhara’s phone number and an anonymous email address connected to Mizuhara. Transfers were allegedly made from the account using devices and IP addresses associated with Mizuhara.”
“Mizuhara allegedly went as far as pretending to be Ohtani when speaking with bank employees, according to calls recorded by the bank”
“Let’s say you are a baseball agent who has a client who will someday sign a contract worth $700 million. Let’s say that client doesn’t speak English fluently and needs an interpreter to navigate life in the U.S. Let’s say that interpreter becomes the player’s de facto manager. Let’s say that interpreter tells you your client has a “private” bank account that not even the financial managers you hired can access.”
“At what point would you start using a different interpreter to verify this information? If your answer is sometime before or during that final point, congratulations. You are more communicative than CAA’s Nez Balelo was with Ohtani.”
“The complaint bears that out, with Balelo telling investigators that he does not employ any individuals who speak Japanese but will occasionally hire his own interpreters to communicate with clients. In Ohtani’s case, however, Balelo used only Mizuhara because he was always with Ohtani.
It appears that in their years-long history, Balelo has never actually talked to Ohtani without using Mizuhara as a go-between.”
Copy/paste any of that to find source material. The answers to your questions are on line and not hard to find… even the 37 page complaint against Miz is online.
BlueSkies_LA
It’s here:
espn.com/prod/styles/pagetype/otl/2024/240411_ent_…
Nobody should be offering their foolish opinions about this without reading it first. We know how that will work out.
Cat Mando
Blue…………..
No different than trying to persuade a flat-earther that the Earth is a slightly elongated sphere.
You can place every photo from space, every testimony from scientists etc and they will tell you it’s all fake,…that earth is flat, there is an ice wall around it, a dome over it and the moon is a hologram. Of course they have no real proof….but they are right and facts are fake.
BlueSkies_LA
An oblate spheroid, just to get technical. 😉
Cat Mando
Well…..La-De-Da…..LOL
Dock_Elvis
Ok, so I just ran this by one of the top CPA’s in America. An “Emerging Leader of the Year” in the field, and one of the Top 20 employers in the field. Someone who handles transactions in the billions.
I got an instant laugh. I was told that there are too many people for that to pass through his financial team, or the bank. It’s just inconceivable for it to not have been caught.
Well….I’ll leave it at what the implications are if it DID.
Cat Mando
Too many people….normally maybe….not here
From the moment Ohtani landed in the U.S. with Mizuhara in tow, Mizuhara was his financial point person. In 2018 — likely during spring training, given that the pair were in Arizona — Mizuhara allegedly joined Ohtani at a bank branch and translated for him as Ohtani set up an account.
That was reportedly the account in which Ohtani’s salary from the Angels was deposited (Ohtani received $42,269,259 from the Angels during his tenure) and over which Mizuhara asserted total control.
Bank records reportedly show that the account was in Ohtani’s name, but the contact information connected to it was changed to Mizuhara’s phone number and an anonymous email address connected to Mizuhara. Transfers were allegedly made from the account using devices and IP addresses associated with Mizuhara.
Balelo telling investigators that he does not employ any individuals who speak Japanese but will occasionally hire his own interpreters to communicate with clients. In Ohtani’s case, however, Balelo used only Mizuhara because he was always with Ohtani.
Balelo explained to some justifiably confused financial managers that the Ohtani bank account controlled by Mizuhara was kosher.
An accountant retained by Balelo also reportedly wanted information on this account while figuring out Ohtani’s taxes and never got it. That accountant reportedly scheduled a meeting with Ohtani and Mizuhara, but only Mizuhara showed up, claiming that Ohtani was sick. When asked about the account, Mizuhara claimed that Ohtani wanted it private from everyone and indicated that it didn’t have any tax implications.
Dock_Elvis
This would have blown up long before now. I have to collude likely bribery with the financial institution employees. Banks and Certified Public Accountants are both highly regulated and licensed. They have no incentive to allow things to happen for risk of losing their ability to do business themselves.
I know what I THINK probably happened. But I’m much firmer on my belief that there’s others involved outside of his interpreter.
I fully understand that Ohtani doesn’t handle his finances like the common person. But he’s not unusual as a wealthy depositer. His finances would be handled by the financial institution in a very standard and uniform fashion. IF they were not….then it’s time to question WHY they weren’t.
The Feds have a much larger case that they are working on.
My thoughts? Its be impossible to move so much money around without SOMEONE beyond the translator being aware. And I’d doubt at some point we don’t hear that Ohtani himself wasn’t atleast aware. I’ll buy he ended up trying to help his friend. That was actually the original story before being retracted because of the obvious implication.
BlueSkies_LA
They think it happened that way because they have evidence it happened that way. Mountains of it. And the perp has confess to it besides. Financial crimes are committed every day. Banks are not very good at catching them or they would not happen so often.
Dock_Elvis
Blueskys….we very well COULD have a case of a well intentioned and naive person here. It’s easy to see a famous athlete at the pinnacle of THEIR professional. But that doesn’t speak to any of their capabilities away from it.
I can’t fathom Ohtani didn’t know his close friend was a gambling addict. Even if the extent wasn’t known.
Ohtahi, the generational talent…also might be generational gullible and trusting. I don’t know the guy at all. It seems like few do.
I think it’s fair to speculate whether he didn’t violate RICO Statutes, naively, with better intentions than I’D have for a friend like that.
But his lawyers got them to shut up quick. The issue here isn’t really clearly defined that Ohtani gambled himself. The issue is a potential breach of the CBA that carries a one year suspension.
There’s a LOT going on. There’s two people atleast right now that might not have ANY reason to cover for Ohtani. It’ll flesh out. A bookie taking those sums might have quite the blackbook.
I think all of this is fair enough.
BlueSkies_LA
No, it isn’t fair to speculate on that at all. He was the victim of a con man. The feds made that all perfectly clear. They have smoking gun evidence. The crook confessed to the crime. What else do you need to accept this, a message from God? A TV miniseries?
Dock_Elvis
BlueSkys, I appreciate your optimism for Ohtani and your team. And I hope your optimism proves dead right. BUT….there’s NOTHING concluded about this case yet. Bringing the interpreter in might simply end up with him turning into a federal witness. He’s possibly looking at 20 years max for wire fraud.
Yeah, I hope you’re right. But I think your opinion is presumptuous at this point. The thing smells to high heaven
BlueSkies_LA
What I am saying has little to do with optimism about either and everything to do with the facts, for as little good as that does us in this day and age where for many people facts count for exactly nothing.
Dock_Elvis
Facts have implications. I can’t base anything off of what I’ve read so far. The case isn’t done. The case is on the bookie.
BlueSkies_LA
*heavy sigh* 🙁
Mantle536
You’re WRONG. I was an investigative reporter in NYC & I had frequent dealings with the IRS wing of the Organized Crime Strike Force (OCSF) in Manhattan.
All financial transaction in excess of a certain amount (it was & may still be $10K) are REPORTED to the IRS to ensure against money laundering & other criminal activity.
For $16 Million to be transferred & NOT have the IRS step in Immediately & ask “What was that for?” is beyond total bull****!
Something stinks to high heaven here, and I think it’s more likely that Ohtani was 100% aware of what was going on.
Also, it was implied in some stories that, because his interpreter & friend put any winnings in His Own Account & NOT in Ohtani’s account, that was exculpatory of any involvement by Ohtani. That’s BS, too, and here’s why.
If any winnings were put in Ohtani’s account, then it would be impossible for Ohtani to claim he wasn’t involved. Having any winnings put into an account that was NOT tied to Ohtani gave him “plausible deniability” to any involvement in the illegal gambling.
And having had a great friend who was a compulsive gambler, I can categorically say that No Compulsive Gambler would avoid betting on the ONLY sport in which he had inside information: that is, from Ohtani about the Dodgers and other MLB teams.
You can say I’m jumping the gun, but in my view there’s ZERO chance Ohtani wasn’t involved in this to some level.
But will MLB REALY Investigate that possibility? Probably not because Ohtani is a “star” player, even though this case literally affects the integrity of the game. Let’s call this one The Dodger Blue Sox Scandal.
BlueSkies_LA
You are the southbound end of a northbound horse.
Whiskey and leather balls
This is funny, an interpreter slash cpa and financial advisor. And Ohtani had no clue as to the betting although wins and losses in the 9 figures. I bet Mizuhara has a helluva poker face he should have stuck to the card table
JoeBrady
It’s just inconceivable for it to not have been caught.
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Absolutely. Ohtani made about $58M with the Angels. Between taxes and the agent’s fee, let’s say he kept half. That’s $29M. And $16M of that disappeared with no one noticing?
And as an accountant for the past 100 years, if I were handling his finances, and I did not have access to his primary account, part of my signed contract would stipulate that I did not cover that account. Otherwise his accountant is on the hook for everything that disappeared.
And $16M in roughly 26 months is $600k a month in outflow. and no one noticed? Did he never meet with his financial advisors? If he were my client, my opening remark for every meeting would be “I have no access nor responsibility for account xyz”.
And because all accountants are born skeptics, I would assume that any account that I was refused access to would be sketchy.
CF
How old are you?
Dock_Elvis
I’m not sure who the bank is in this case. They are Bank A in the affidavit. But Bank if America is worth nearly 300 billion in market capitalization. While Ohtani is a major sports figure with a massive contract coming. They are NOT going to even blink at enforcing basic security rules on him, or any of his associates. They won’t risk their reputation on what’s pocket change to them.
There’s likely more people involved. INCLUDING the bank employee who allowed large sums to be transferred over the PHONE.
Go call your bank and tell them you want to transfer $500…let alone 500,000.
I can’t conclude that Ohtani was involved from what I’ve read so far. But there’s just no way there’s not others involved.
16M is a LOT of money to be missing from his books.
Ma4170
Not saying they wouldn’t notice such large sums, but I transfer thousands between accounts online all the time with no bank contact at all. That’s pretty standard nowadays. Hundreds of thousands? That may be a different story.
Dock_Elvis
I gathered it was by phone. I took that to be speaking OVER the telephone. I know I’m reacting to shaky information. It’s just very strange.
Dock_Elvis
We move sums in the the thousands and tens of thousands routinely as well. Usually takes a few days.
There’s just so many ways this could be stopped along the path in this scenario.
In my mind I have a bank teller awed by dealing with a star…so they just don’t follow normal protocol. That’s the very simple innocent version. Worst case involves bribery.
User 4223176798
Don’t think that banks won’t look the other way to please wealthy customers. Ever hear of Citibank’s role in laundering cartel money in Mexico? Look it up.
Dock_Elvis
It’s possible the Feds wanted the interpreter in because they have a much larger case against a banking institution.
Bobby smac9
Time to enroll in a babble class.
AllAboutBaseball
There is no way you don’t notice money being taken from your bank account let Along 16m or whatever the amount is. And that “Quick” investigation that was done by the FBI is just sketchy. Nothing comes Quick when it comes to investigations in this country unless there is a cover up.
BlueSkies_LA
The FBI was not involved with this investigation in any way as far as we know. It was performed by the Department of Homeland Security.
Nothing remotely sketchy about it. They came up with mountains of evidence of what was done and how it was done. And the perpetrator confessed.
And you need something else? You need someone else to tell you it’s true? Who might that be, I wonder?
BlueSkies_LA
The indictment states plainly that the FBI was not involved with this investigation at all. It was lead by the IRS and apparently assisted by DHS.
espn.com/prod/styles/pagetype/otl/2024/240411_ent_…
Skeptical
Interesting to read all the postings by the experts above. With the level of expertise and knowledge expressed in the comments, it helps me understand why the United States has solved all of its problems.
Dock_Elvis
I’m actually married to a nationally renowned CPA. I know what she believes off hand.
Billy Rohr
They will never be able to prove that the Big O had any knowledge of any illegal activity, because they won’t try.
Phree4u
Could be possible both stories are true.
Ohtani was just trying to help his friend pay some gambling debts, but just gave him cash or a loan unrelated to the bookies account.
AND
ippei stole money behind his back because he was way further in debt than he let ohtani know about.
Where did he come up with the other 24mil that’s unaccounted for?
Did the bookie extend him 24 mil in credit?
There’s still a huge hole in this story.
Looks unlikely ohtani was directly involved in gambling, but I find it hard to believe he was completely in the dark about all of this.
If they were together basically 24/7 for a decade plus and he made 20k individual bets with just this particular bookie, you’d know something just by default.
I’m sure ippei was also placing legal wagers and visiting casinos when in states with legalizing betting.
I dont think ohtani broke any mlb rules per se. But I find it virtually impossible that he wasn’t aware of anything.
Mantle536
There is ZERO chance that both Mizuhara & Ohtani are telling the truth, in my view.
THERE IS NO WAY THAT A COMPULSIVE GAMBLER WOULDN’T BET ON THE ONLY SPORT IN WHICH HE HAS INSIDE INFOR,ATION.
So, why would Mizuhara lie about not betting on baseball? The only logical explanation is that Mizuhara was betting on baseball with Ohtani’s prior knowledge and, possibly, even on behalf of Ohtani.
So, why would Mizuhara lie to protect Ohtani. How about the fact that Ohtani’s $700 Million deal with the Dodgers would be canceled for violating M: rules for gambling on baseball & consorting with illegal gamblers.
Moreover, the explanation of how Mizuhara gained unfetterd access to MILLION$ of Ohtani’s money, supposedly without Octane’s prior knowledge, Screams of Complete Bull****!
eddiemurraysafro
Smells more fishy than the Lilith Fair.
filihok
ema
muted (misogynist)
unpaidobserver
But Lilith Fair celebrated women and birkenstocks when warn repeatedly do smell.
Dock_Elvis
On or about March 20, 2024, MIZUHARA messaged BOOKMAKER 1 stating, “Have you seen the reports?” BOOKMAKER 1 responded, “Yes, but that’s all bulls***. Obviously you didn’t steal from him. I understand it’s a cover job I totally get it.” MIZUHARA then responded to BOOKMAKER 1, “Technically I did steal from him. it’s all over for me.”
– copied from the complaint.
JoeBrady
BOOKMAKER 1 responded, “Yes, but that’s all bulls***. Obviously you didn’t steal from him. I understand it’s a cover job I totally get it.”
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At the end of the day, why would the bookie lie about where the money came from? If the bookie says it is a cover job, it might be time to believe him.
filihok
JB
Alternate possibility
The bookmaker didn’t know, thus, they weren’t lying.
JoeBrady
A couple of ideas here:
1-Bookies don’t extend that type of credit to commoners. The idea that a bookie would extend millions in credit to a guy like Ippie, is almost impossible. He almost certainly knew that the $16M or $40M was coming from Ohtani.
2-And back to my original question, why would the bookie text something like that? “I understand it’s a cover job I totally get it.”
The fact that the bookie almost certainly knew that the money came from Ohtani, and the fact that he texts that it was a cover job, makes it almost impossible for me to believe that it wasn’t a cover job.
My way of approaching things like this is that, if there was $1M on the table, and I had to guess A or B, and get the $1M or nothing, I betting Ohtani was involved, and I wouldn’t even think twice about it.
And FWIW, I understand the coverup and have very little problem with it. Ohtani is too important to BB to have him be suspended or expelled.
foppert2
I was all good. Just a sad story of American excess chewing up and spitting out a naive foreigner. Then I read that final paragraph in the espn report. “Technically” is a worry for me. Why does he consider himself only guilty of theft in a technical sense ? Certainly alludes to some complexity in his access to Ohtani’s cash.
Smelly_Cobb
This is a damning part of the affidavit, to say the least.
JoeBrady
Just a sad story of American excess chewing up and spitting out a naive foreigner.
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Nonsense. If a native, and let’s call him Trevor B, got involved in a shakedown, there would be people that spit all over him.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Ohtani being Japanese, and everything to do with $16M or $40M, and gambling.
foppert2
Sure. That comment was more a reflection of the movie plot feel of that report.
That’s just the vibe reading the story gave me.
Dock_Elvis
Foppert- “technically” came across to me like a potential patsy speaking.
This came AFTER it was public. Smacks of the Feds basically putting a wire on the bookie.
foppert2
Ha ha. A wire is taking the movie plot feel a bit too far for me.
My immediate reaction was he had had it explained to him why, when considering legal technicalities, he was in fact guilty of theft. This is why you won’t be lying if you own up to theft type of conversation. Maybe he was simply referring to a distinction between embezzlement and theft. Who knows. It was a little plot twist right at the death of that article that threw me.
Dock_Elvis
Foppert2. When was the bookie seized? Before or after this text to him? That’s kind of what I’m saying. That looked like bait coming from the bookie.
foppert2
Ok. I’ve got you. Fair enough.
Whatever it is, it’s a cracking story.
Dock_Elvis
Foppert2…totally fascinating and it might not even end up trust involving Ohtani. High roller bookie with potential wealthy/celebrity clients.
Dock_Elvis
IF it’s a cover job…the Feds are working on a bigger case also involving many clients. I’m not going to be shocked when we hear other celebrities are named. If I’m the bookie I’d have been securing evidence all along go cover my trail. We shall see.
CF
I agree out of everything that keeps Ohtani out of the case, these lines are the ones I question the most.
The Bookie is the person I want to hear from. When he pleas, everyone will find out the truth.
MadmanTX 2
I gotta learn Japanese: daddy needs a new pair of shoes.
10centBeerNight
So neat. So easy. So inconclusive
VLP
Lol at the FBI being part of a cover up
iffster
So many are living in a fantasy land. This guy could never had placed those big bets without SOMEONE vouching for him. But whatever……Ohtani will foot the bill for his lawyers, he’ll get three years probation, return to Japan and write about Ohtani.
filihok
ffster1 min ago
So many are living in a fantasy land.
Agreed
Assuming that you know more than experts and investigators and more than you do is a dangerous fantasy.
Snap the [heck] out of it
JoeBrady
Nonsense. Folks opine on everything, every single day. heck, that’s why they have juries and appeals. But I read the entire indictment. The bookie himself acknowledged it was a cover job.
filihok
JB
Cute that
And cite how he knew
Thank you
JoeBrady
I don’t know how he knew, and that’s the damning part of it. Maybe you would like to speculate why he said what he did.
Or speculate how some dude getting paid maybe $300k can a multi-million $$ line of credit with a bookie?
filihok
JB
“I don’t know how he knew,”
Wrong. You don’t know THAT he knew.
I’m not interested in speculating.
Smelly_Cobb
Why would Maz say “technically, I did steal from him.” Probably because he knows Shohei can’t be truthful without suffering consequences.
I believe the initial story that Ohtani covered Maz’s debts.. It makes the most sense.
filihok
SC
“Why would Maz say “technically, I did steal from him.” ”
Good catch
The only possible reason he could say that he stole from Ohtani is because he didn’t still from Ohtani
I’d say that you should work for the FBI but since they all missed this obvious smoking gun that you caught means that you are miles beyond them
We need to shut down the FBI and let MLBTR commenters solve every crime
JoeBrady
Wrong. You don’t know THAT he knew.
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“I understand it’s a cover job I totally get it.”
That’s the exact quote from the text mentioned in the indictment.
How can one interpret that other the bookie says Ippie’s part was a coverup?
filihok
JB
Ippie said, and I quote, “I did steal from him.”
So, how can one interpret that other than Ippie says he stole from Ohtani
And why [on earth] do you think the FBI just takes people on their word and doesn’t, ya know, investigate?
I look forward to your response to my direct question
JoeBrady
1-It is possible that he did steal from him, as well as placing the bets on his behalf.
2-It could easily be a statement of self-interest. He was going to be in trouble anyway, so why not get paid off to take the fall?
3-Nothing in the report says the Ippie wasn’t placing bets on Ohtani’s behalf.
Now you can answer my questions:
1-Ippie is not getting a million $$ line of creidt.
2-Ippie is unlikely to be able to scam $16M form the bank.
3-Ohtani is unlikely to have never opened any of his bank statements.
4-There is $24M unaccounted for. Ippie does not owe the bookie $24M.
5-The bookie admitted it was a cover job.
Like I said, I have no problem with the coverup, but the chances that Ohtani wasn’t involved in this is about -0-.
straightuphonestguy
Is there any culpability for the bank in this scenario? The phone approval seems like a huge lapse in judgement, but I have no real understanding of the industry.
CF
Oh yeah, Ohtani is gonna hire an attorney to sue the crap out of the banks that let this happen.
They are liable, unless the truth is something different. I will be curious if Ohtani sues the banks. If he does I would say that adds to the fact that he had little knowledge of what happened.
Banks are screwed, they breached fiduciary duty.
JoeBrady
CF
They are liable, unless the truth is something different.
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I probably should’ve read your post before I made my post, since it is very similar. I worked for a short while auditing banks, at a low lever, but the amount of paperwork review was pretty intense, even back then. Having an imposter drawing $16M over the phone, without ever visiting the bank, seems implausible.
Dock_Elvis
So why would the banks DO that. What incentive was there? The bank itself would have ZERO. If you’re moving up to 40M over time…maybe sweeten up some insiders?
JoeBrady
This will be one of the key things I would look at. If Ohtani sues the bank, and the bank pays off, then I am more likely to believe Ohtani. Same with his personal insurance, assuming he has some.
The bank won’t pay unless pay unless it is their fault. If Ohtani doesn’t sue, then one should question whether or not he was culpable. Looking at it from a personal perspective, if someone called up your 401k provider, and claimed to be you and emptied out you account, I’m guessing about 100% of the folks out there would be contacting their lawyer.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Mizuhara surrendered to federal authorities
Are the Feds talking at all about this case?
Are they saying how long Mizuhara was doing this (over how many years, months? Also, what is amzing to me is how deft Mizuhara was in sending the wires
Sending wires is hard enough, but this dude was apparently a crook and sending wires correctly and without anyone noticing for a long time
How did he do that?
Asking for a friend!
BlueSkies_LA
The answer might require you to read something.
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Sorry if it’s an inconvenience.
User 3180623956
The US District Attorney comes out and says Ohtani is in the free and clear and is 100% a victim and yet there are still morons here that think they know more than the FBI and district attorneys office. Now we know that those still questioning Ohtani’s complicity are just low IQ, jealous, haters, pure and simple.
VegasSDfan
The same people that deny the election and love conspiracy theories
JackStrawb
@VegasSDfan I take it you’re unaware of the DNC’s court filings in 2016-17 that insisted it could and would ignore the will of the voters, that it need not count the votes when selecting its candidates, and that it could use any criteria it wanted in selecting its candidates?
Upheld by the court, btw.
Might want to look that up if you’re insisting on the integrity of U.S. elections (and the integrity of EITHER major party) where the votes are also, get this, counted by proprietary software that cannot be examined by the public.
Tizzi60
Is this the same govt that told us about Russia collaboration?
JoeBrady
The FBI didn’t even pretend that the Russiagate hoax wasn’t a conspiracy. Steele is probably laughing his a$$ off that anyone took the dossier seriously.
CF
Did you read the Mueller Report?
JoeBrady
Parts of it, a long time ago.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Ha, good one!
CF
Did you actually read the Mueller report?
JackStrawb
@Tizzi60 It does seem to be the same government of which 50 intelligence officers of high rank including 4 one-time CIA heads, all attested (more than six months after the FBI found it to be entirely credible and indeed belonging to HB) that the HB laptop ‘bore the hallmarks of Russian disinformation,’ a letter organized and circulated for their signature by Antony Blinken, and released to the public in October 2020, shortly before the election—a letter that JB then went on to claim in his debate with DT (I believe it was at Belmont University, around the start of the 4th week of Oct) exonerated he and his son from any connection to the laptop.
Later polls, after the election, reported that 1 voter in 6 considered the truth about the laptop’s real source interesting enough to warrant reconsidering their vote.
When 50 intelligence officers interfere with a presidential election as they clearly did here, the chances you live in an authentic democracy are vanishingly small.
JackStrawb
@grnmtnyeti “there are still morons here that think they know more than the FBI and district attorneys office.”
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—–Yes, the FBI would never put politics and public relations ahead of justice. Sigh.
Institutional ‘law enforcement’ is noted for ascending uniformly to the highest standards of morality, truth, and justice. Sigh^2.
District attorneys’ offices are the noblest creations of God and man. (Sigh^1,000 [expSigh^1,000])..
User 3180623956
@jack-
Yes, the FBI is going to corrupt themselves so a baseball player doesn’t get suspended or go to jail. Sigh.
Conspiring to help out an athlete is worth the risk for law enforcement in charge of the investigation. The dozens of people involved would never leak that there was a cover up. Sigh.
A district attorney would love to be the one to successfully charge and prosecute the biggest baseball star ever. It would all but guarantee them a step or two up in their career. They could easily move to the private sector and make millions without even winning such a case, they would be guaranteed whatever they wanted with whatever firm they wished if they nailed Ohtani. Exasperated sigh.
Do you even hear yourself? Of course I believe that anyone can be corrupted but no one is risking their freedom just so Ohtacan continue to make money for the Dodgers and MLB. That’s just absurd. Put another layer of foil over your windows, the residual effects of the eclipse are obviously making their way into your parent’s basement…
B-rocker
Evidence be damned. My mind was made up weeks ago. I am not about to let 37 pages of investigative details change what I imagine the REAL facts to be.
unpaidobserver
When building a federal case against a high value target you always start with the small fish first.
Chemo850
I don’t understand how a guy who at that point was not making THAT much money doesn’t notice 16 million disappear. He got paid through endorsements and what not, but not nearly enough to not notice 16 million disappear. Even now with 100 million a year in contract and endorsements that is like 50 million in the bank take home and he should notice it. This ain’t a billionaire we’re talking about here, but a guy who lost at least 16% of his net worth and didn’t even notice.
JoeBrady
was not making THAT much money doesn’t notice 16 million disappear.
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It was probably a lot more than 16% considering the taxes paid on that type of earnings.
But if you question it, you’ll be labeled a conspiracist. You MUST believe every that you’ve been told.
JackStrawb
@Chemo850 I’ve known too many people who won’t even look at bank statements, to not at least consider the possibility that Ohtani wouldn’t have noticed even tens of millions missing. As long as whatever he was paying for didn’t set off an alert or the payment didn’t go through, if he’s innumerate and trusts his financial people, how would he know?
Think of all the pro athletes with minimal education who make millions and end up broke in part b/c they have no idea how to keep track of statements and income.
And even if they’re tracking monthly statements, monthly statements (I’m told) are not all that difficult to forge. BITD scissors, magic tape, whiteout… (I’m told) made that kind of forgery a breeze. Now, I suppose a crook would use the bank’s statement template and then just fill in the blanks as desired.
Besides, what if the thief is someone you trust, who also happens to iron your copy of the Wall Street Journal, and hands you your financial statements on the same platter with your Eggs Benedict?
VegasSDfan
Ohtanis translator wanted to keep him from learning English. This way, he could take advantage of him easier.
This theory is totally plausible.
Chemo850
No, it’s really not. I can’t speak a lick of Japanese, but I understand the conversion ratio of American dollars to Yen and vise versa. So does this guy because I can guarantee you it’s like the first question he asked when he signed his first contract. You see 2,500,000,000 yen disappear from your bank account and you don’t need to know how to speak English. The only language he needs to know is Green and we all know how to speak it
JackStrawb
@Chemo850 Why are you assuming Ohtani is any more numerate, than you’re capable of understanding Japanese?
Chemo850
I’m assuming the guy is not a complete idiot. But you might be onto something
JoeBrady
Ohtanis translator wanted to keep him from learning English.
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So your working theory here is that Ohtani wanted to learn English, but Ippie kept him from doing so?
User 2161944466
Let this be a lesson to any Asian caught stealing. The US will come down hard on you. but If you’re a migrant entering illegally, you get free food and hugs from liberals
B-rocker
Another moron has spoken
Americanentropy
Apples and Oranges… smacks of racism.
washington_bonercats
16 million doesn’t disappear from you without your knowledge. That is a ridiculous amount of money. Prior to the 2023 season, Ohtani hadn’t even made 12 million through game checks…. How is it possible he didn’t know?
unpaidobserver
In fairness Ohtani’s image is on every ad in Japan, from sports equipment to cologne to mens sweaters but yeah still he’s not nearly rich enough not to know about $320 million in net cash flows.
OriolesOrange
I have no inside knowledge and could be completely wrong. I would not be surprised if Mizuhara carried Ohtani’s wallet, signed the credit card receipts, and used his cash to buy whatever it is Ohtani said to buy. Ohtani makes enough money that he doesn’t need to check his bank account daily, weekly, maybe ever. I have no idea how the rich live, but I bet it is different than the world I live in. I won’t draw conclusion on this from the outside.
JackStrawb
@OriolesOrange Well said. Also, Ohtani probably signs his own credit card receipts and probably carries at least some cash, given he won’t always be in the company of his interpreter.
As long as whatever payments Ohtani is making go through, and as long as the ATM spits out his walking around money, why would he become suspicious?
The idea that “THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE! OHTANI WOULD HAVE TO KNOW!!” is absurd. Why would he ‘have to know’—bc he can hit a baseball 500′? It’s silliness.
JoeBrady
“THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE! OHTANI WOULD HAVE TO KNOW!!” is absurd.
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I agree, but I don’t think that’s really the point. The idea of plausible deniability is at the core of every conspiracy defense. Is it possible that Gotti didn’t know his crew was dealing drugs? Sure.
But people get to choose whether it is more likely or less likely that someone knew something
Do you think that Ohtani never looked at any of his statements?
GSWfanklay
But that’s the thing that makes Sho look like I completely Nimwit
jerseyjohn
Is Ohtani gonna bail his bagman out?
Deleted Userr
Just can’t get it through your head? Guys like you will always be the fall guy, cuz you’re weak!
JackStrawb
A real shame.
If you have to gamble, at least be good at it.
It’s not difficult, and there are a lot of fish. Chase the fish.
Avoid the sharks.
Dock_Elvis
While The Feds might not be interested in Ohtani as a defendant. If he were to be called to testify against anyone, and admit under oath that he made payments to “help a friend” regardless if the law sought him…gave him immunity, whatever. He’d be in violation of the CBA and subject to a year suspension. I’m curious if that would then void his contract.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@Dock It’s over if you haven’t read the full complaint yet.
BlueSkies_LA
Claims he has, but all I can assume, if this really is the case, that he didn’t understand it, or anything the federal investigator said about Ohtani being the victim. Instead we get these fantastic theories.
Dock_Elvis
Pipe on in. We’re not speaking the same language. The Feds have a case OUTSIDE the Ohtani situation. That’s how he got INVOLVED in the first place. What part of “Ohtani isn’t a suspect at this time” didn’t you not see.
IF he gets called to testify the case involving the bookmaker and has to testify under oath that he had did help his friend. He’s in violation of the CBA and subject to a one year suspension.
These aren’t fantastic theories. I’m following the LARGER case. You say I’m theorizing…which implies I have some kind of belief, or agenda….I’m only speaking potentialities.
Because, sorry…simply having a tras
translator working on a plea does not indicate how the Feds will flip him on the bookie. Ohtani/Translator are only a PART of this case. Yasiel Puig was already ensnared.
Call me and let me know when the bookie case goes to sentencing and I’ll go with it’s closed.
My 11 year old is actually a Dodgers fan. He doesn’t need thus. I have no agenda. I’m not gonna argue your logic. I want you to be right. But there’s a lot in that affidavit that doesn’t close a book on much.
They could give Ohtani himself immunity and he’d still be subjection MLB suspension potentially.
We’re gonna know more. Today closed very little.
You want to wishful think as a Dodgers fan and cast anyone and anything that doesnt that fully agree yet…case closed…as illogical or having an agenda. I have none. Facts have further implications and are part of a further process.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Why would Ohtani need to testify if there is going to be no trial while I.M. plans to plead guilty? I’m not even sure I.M. has much to offer what the feds don’t know already about Bowyer. The feds have a 95%+ conviction rate on trials. The complaint, which you haven’t read, clears Ohtani as an innocent “victim”. It’s all there. I have no dog in this fight so it’s back to baseball for me.
Dock_Elvis
Because the case isn’t in essence even ABOUT the translator. He’s potential federal witness against the booking operation. Ohtani was mentioned as not being a suspect “at this time.”
I’ve done BOATLOADS of research and written on both the Black Sox Scandal and Pete Rose. I’m aware of what I see going on with cases.
What all this led me to believe is that they’re still wading through information on the booking operation. The translator pleading doesn’t close potential damages to Ohtani. Because at TRIAL…his knowledge of the situation could implications with MLB.
To this day we still have 8 players banned for life who were found innocent in a criminal trial.
The translator is likely working with the Feds in this plea. The Feds want the bookie nailed. And we don’t know the extent of his operation.
Ohtani isn’t clear yet, because he can’t hide from a subpoena to testify. But moreso…his translator will certainly testify in that trial. Given he’s possibly facing 20 years for a RICO violation…IF he chooses to out Ohtani in any way….even without a real legal threat to Ohtani…that becomes an issue with MLB potentially.
We’re not going to know right now what the Feds have our believe in this larger case.
Also, if a bank employee testifies that they identified Ohtani in the flesh…that’d be an issue.
I have no skin in this game either. If anything I want Ohtani clean. My 11 year old is a Dodgers fan. But I’ve been waist deep in federal investigations before.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Hate to break it to you but Bowyer won’t go through a court trial process and will plea out once he gets charged. His attorney has already publicly admitted that he ran an illegal bookmaking operation. The feds already have flipped one of his associates (“Bookmaker 3”). Again, neither I.M. nor Matt Bowyer will stand trial bc neither stands a chance to get acquitted.
Dock_Elvis
Sure. But it depends on what else the Feds saw in play. There’s also a massive 60M fiduciary responsibility breach that was allowed to occur. They have to close this all out and follow it all. It’s a chain. There’s really nothing to “break to me” because thus conversation isn’t coming across well through writing.
I find it hard to believe that so much money can be moved within a financial system without inside help. I’m married to one of the finest CPAs in the country, and she’s also calling bs at this level of financials. My wife has clients on this level I’m very sure.
The Feds could be trying to determine if illegal books in CA are working with banks to launder money. That’s exactly how the Columbians helped build Miami. We might have international money moving through booking operations and into banks here as sort of fence.
As to Ohtani the bookie and his little part. The bookie is on text record calling it a cover up to the translator. With the translator responding, “technically” that he stole from him.
I sat in the book at the Aria last May watching these high roller bookies placing legal bets for high $ clients. But that comes with major tax implications. I don’t gamble. I was watching. I knew then we had a major gambling scandal brewing….it wasn’t even a secret there.
BlueSkies_LA
Keep in mind, the entire reason why this episode came to light is the feds were investigating the bookie’s operation. The IRS and DHS were involved due to the tax and money laundering implications.
Wealthy people move large sums of money all the time and the banking system exists to facilitate this, not impede it. The banks have reporting requirements but the federal oversight agencies can’t possibly investigate all large money transactions. They are looking for patterns of potentially illegal activity, and they found one.
I’m not sure what other “financials” your wife is calling BS, but it seems like you are saying that nobody gets away with financial fraud, which is a fundamentally silly assertion. We all know it happens all the time, especially when people invest trust others who are not trustworthy.
We have in that text Mizuhara admitting that he stole the money. Him saying that it was only “technically” theft is just his still rationalizing why he committing this crime. He also recognizes in these texts that he was going to get caught.
Gambling has major tax implications when done legally. This is one reason why so much of it is done illegally.
Dock_Elvis
My wife is calling BS that the 60M total was moved without compliance from SOMEONE on the inside of a financial institution.
Im ok moving Ohtani away from this. The issue is the chance that information comes to light that leaves him in breach of the CBA, and MLB punishment.
If you knew who I was you’d realize I’m fully aware of the inner workings of fraud within financial systems.
I’d SUSPECT that Mizuhara isn’t even the real target of the entire scheme…and there might be more going on than just the bookie. The plea is coming quick, his lawyers don’t seem to even be buying time. Makes it seem possible that he’s using leverage to get a better deal. I’d guess that’s not on Ohtani. Only WE are interested in Ohtani. At best he’s a 3rd party victim of an operation.
The Feds are not going to tip their hand publicly just what they are after until they’re ready to make further charges. Those aren’t coming on Ohtani.
Many people will STILL scream coverup no matter what. I’m not one of those. I’m willing to let the truth come out. There’s a bookie and a translator here who will have zero incentive to cover for anyone if they’re pressured. If they don’t roll on Ohtani….that’s the BEST thing that could happen for him. I’m not even going to go into the weeds like many about, “Oh, Mizuhara has a bank account set up to cover him once he’s out.” THAT’S ridiculous conspiracy thinking.
I think there’s a solid chance we actually hear other names come out. These bookmakers aren’t dealing with low level 10 buck bets on the over. Feds won’t really want the gamblers. They’ll want to give immunity to bust up illegal gambling operations in exchange for testimony.
With Ohtani….just at NO point can it be revealed that he actually helped an illegal gambling operation to collect. In whatever process is coming up. He’s close enough to the fire as is. MLB would have little choice but to suspend him a year. Makes that backloaded contract a wise thing in that case.
BlueSkies_LA
Why did you quadruple the theft figure stated by the federal investigators?
What do you mean by “compliance”?
What part of the CBA do you theorize Ohtani might have violated?
You don’t have to suspect that Mizuhara wasn’t the target of the initial investigation, we already know he wasn’t.
You say you aren’t conspiracy theory minded, but a lot of what you theorize about sure sounds like you believe one existed here.
Dock_Elvis
Perhaps I’m getting thr overall theft amount split or mistated, but if it wasn’t 60 I believe it was 40M. I don’t believe Ohtani was aware of the actual amounts.
It’s a violation of the CBA to pay illegal gambling debts. Punishable by a one year suspension. They can gamble on non-baseball sports legally. It’s actually a RICO violation itself with a potential 20 year sentence (not that he would be charged or sentenced to that IF he’d committed all this himself)
I mean “compliance” in the sense of having assistance on the inside of the financial institution. Someone who complied with the larceny. If I was a bank officer right now I’d be crapping bricks. One of two things occurred. They either neglected their fiduciary responsibility to their depositor, or they had an employee who was part of the larger scheme. NEITHER ends well for the bank. Ohtani could sue them, they could also face serious fines.
Let’s just say that there is a large bookmaking operation in California, or beyond. They use middle men to remove their large scale bettors from direct involvement in the banking system. It’s likely they would bribe a bank employee to overlook normal security stop gaps.
In this translators case. It sounds like he was refused over the phone initially and kept pecking away.
I myself have transferred 30,60, and 180k sums using a communication device. That can actually be done. Where the larger gray area seems to be for my wife is how so many large transactions occurred and over time. The bank itself should have caught that much sooner.
The translator actually got caught up with several accountants. The banks people asked to meet with Ohtani and the translator…or course he’s the only one rhat showed. And Ohtani’s agency accountants began asking questions.
I’m curious if the bookie system instructed Mizuhara which banks to use, and if they have other middle men who have been doing this.
Ok, I just went at saw he’s accused of 16M in theft from Ohtani. But I’ve also read that the total amounts NOT related to the gambling are much higher. I’d have to keep reading back…I’ve read a lot of material. And I’m sure I read perhaps 40M. Ohtani has more than one account himself.
But that’s largely immaterial because just the 16M suffices. Ohtani doesn’t apparently even know where his money is it seems. Perhaps I read that in something as to what is being further investigated. This is like a massive spider web of details.
While Ohtani might not be guilty himself at all here. This is CERTAINLY how illegal gambling operations operate with high rollers using middle men. We might see an “Epstein” type list come out.
Sounds like this bookie was about to cap Ohtani’s knees one morning when he was walking his dog. Just crazy.
BlueSkies_LA
The $40M figure represents Mizuhara’s known net gambling losses. We don’t yet know how to reconcile the difference between that number and the figure he is documented to have stolen from Ohtani, but we do know Mizuhara was actively negotiating with the bookmaker over a repayment schedule, which was seemingly based on how much and how quickly he could steal from Ohtani.
On the banking side, keep in mind that Mizuhara was the sole contact on the account and was impersonating Ohtani. He even set up an email address that was similar to Ohtani’s. If and when the bank had any questions, they didn’t get Ohtani, they got Mizuhara pretending to be Ohtani. Should the bank personal have been smarter? Sure, but have you ever dealt with bank employees? Many of them were flipping hamburgers the week before.
The other people surrounding Ohtani, especially his agent, should have picked up red flags. At some point they should have hired a fluent Japanese speaker to communicate directly with Ohtani, especially when they were denied all access to the account in question, purely on Mizuhara’s representation that this is what he wanted. I can better excuse a guy whose entire life is devoted to playing baseball than I can people in business who should be more savvy.
I don’t see any scenario where Ohtani is sanctioned by the commissioner for what was done with money that stolen from him. I can see him being advised in strong terms that he needs to have better people and more safeguards around him. I’m sure Ohtani gets that now anyway.
Dock_Elvis
I agree with everything you just stated. I’ve only presented possibilities. I have certain percentages of possibility I assess in my head. Those move with what kind of information I have at hand. The potential of Ohtani seeing MLB issues has gone down. It’s not zero, or course. Because I don’t think even the Feds know where the case is probably going in the larger sense against the bookie.
Did Ohtani help a friend? All the while being duped by a supposed friend playing a long con game? That’s reasonable enough, but pure speculation. Even given that was the initial story. I’d concede that’s possible. We’re there others involved in stealing money from Ohtani? The Yakuzi is no joke. Not out of the realm of possibility…but I’d place that on a level where we probably wouldn’t find out. Someone floating as much in a bank account as Ohtani…capable of being duped so easily would be a prime target for organized crime. And they’d be able to leverage any bank.
Yeah, you’re right about some bank employees. What I picture is someone being so in awe of processing things for Ohtani that they just lose basic sense. Having an insider is also not out of the realm of possibility. I’m just not aware what part a gambling operation had if any in in the bak set up and movements. If that’s all Mizuhara that’s cool. If he was told how to handle the larceny from the gambling operation. That’s a bigger issue.
But yeah…what I’m seeing is Ohtani moving further away from the deal. Of course that’s not going to matter to a lot of people in the public perception. They’ll see the possibility of a coverup and run wild with it.
I have to say IF a coverup has occurred its in Ohtani helping a friend…and probably not in covering up that he gambled. I don’t see too much reason a player like Ohtani would NEED to place illegal bets. He travels outside of CA to other states frequently. He probably also knows people in states with legal gaming. There’s PLENTY of bookies managing high end accounts in Vegas. Good lord he could have packed a bread van in 20s and had it driven to Vegas and never missed the cash.
The larger case is interesting. Mizuhara strikes me as a moron, actually. That’s my instinct. But nothing would really surprise me.
Dock_Elvis
My phone hates the MLBtraderumors system. Sorry for all the typos
JoeBrady
I have certain percentages of possibility I assess in my head.
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Dock, I appreciate your approach, since I do the same thing. I’ve raised these questions before, and some have actually been deleted. I was wondering if you ‘d care to speculate on the chances of any of them being true, in either yes/no, percentages, or analysis. I t hink it would be interesting.
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1-He needs to obtain all of Ohtani’s credentials.
2-He needs to bypass the bank security systems.
3-He needs to establish a million $ line of credit with a bookie, when the dude might make $200-300k.
4-The indictment says $40M was lost, but only $16M was stolen to cover the $40M. Is there even the tiniest chance that Ippie owes the bookie $24M?
5-Ohtani had to never open up his bank statements for 26 months.
I’d say 1 & 2 are possible, if not a bit far-fetched. If banks could be scammed out of millions remotely, I’d guess that would be happening every day.
On #5, again, possible, but doubtful. Does anyone not open their statements for 26 months, or occasionally go on line to see their balances?
But it is really #3 & #4. The indictments says the bookie is okay with a $1M line of credit, so long as they get a $500k transfer every Monday. The bookie had to be 100% certain that Ippie couldn’t personally make a $500k payment every week. At his salary, he’d be hard put to make a $500k payment once every 4 years.
And what of the missing $24M ($40M lost against $16M embezzled). If Ippie’s take-home salary was $240k, which I doubt, it would take a mere 100 years to repay the bookie $24M.
Dock_Elvis
JoeBrady,
I’m not sure exactly how to respond.
I’d be very suspicious that it was the illegal gambling operation sinking Mizuhara into serious debt in order to then orchestrate what’s essentially an inside heist. The reasoning behind why it’d be very bad for a player to become involved with gamblers…would be the same for anyone with potential access to millions.
We have to ask ourselves who deals in illegal gambling and cash business. That was typically the Italian mafia in history here. But people seem to overlook the more modern versions such as the Yakuzi.
I wouldn’t expect any underworld types to be easily busted. So many “air locks” are set up between them and their actual crimes. IF…big if of course….it has been dragged out by underworld elements. There’s middle men to take any kind of fall.
It’s fully possible Mizuhara was duped himself, or used as a pawn.
It’s also fully possible this really played out at surface level stupid. But there’s just so much that’s had to go on…and that’s what increases the likelihood that there are accomplices.
It’s interesting that Mizuhara made a lot of eBay purchases. It’s long been rumored that many sports memorabilia sales on there have been money laundering schemes to pay off debts.
All of this might sound ridiculous. But there’s PLENTY of provenance for this actually occurring. It’s the underworld playbook to a tee. The chance isn’t 0. And that’s what makes it worth wondering about. These are MASSIVE sums. I’m not sure I buy Mizuhara going that wild on his own without prompting or serious threat.
But…and thus will sound wrong. But it could have been a bank employee taking a phone call and thinking…”Well this voice sounds asian…so it must be Ohtani.” As crazy as that sounds….it really could have happened. There’s very easy tests for this. When a person LOOKS wealthy they gain trust very quickly. “Look the part, be the part” essentially. It’s exactly what Frank Abignale did in “Catch Me If You Can.”
I’d feel better that this was a Mizuhara con game on his own if an illegal gambling operation wasn’t involved.
The Feds really need to determine if there was a breach of fiduciary responsibility by the bank involving an accomplice. That’s the real threat to the public.
As far as Ohtani. He’d probably certainly knew his friend gambled in some fashion. That’s a LOT of time to spend with someone to not know their personal habits. I’d also expect Ohtani to know Mizuhara’s favorite musical group, etc.
Did Ohtani realize Mizuhara had a gambling debt? I think that’s reasonable. Ohtani might not be very knowledgeable about gambling with any real depth…and he might be trusting….and also lied to.
Did Ohtani HELP Mizuhara pay down a gambling debt? I also find that a reasonable possibility. That wouldn’t involve scheming. That’s an emotional reaction to helping someone you love and care about. BUT ignorance of the law isn’t an excuse in court.
I think the moat likely scenario is that Ohtani got conned and really wasn’t award of the actual scenario. Friend or not….steal 16M from someone they aren’t going to stay friendly long.
But I’d buy he knew Mizuhara owed 4.5M and helped him pay it off. There’s not anything truly nefarious about that. Like I said…that’s an emotional response. And Ohtani might not have known as much as we do.
I just don’t feel the odds this all went through…passed all the security gaps…wasn’t done without an accomplice. That’s removed from Ohtani.
The Feds now have a bookie and atleast one gambler. It’ll be interesting to see if they use their information to pursue a larger gambling operation and potential crimes within a banking institution. But I think this has moved away from Ohtani. It’s like an onion with layers.
BlueSkies_LA
1- He did. It’s in the indictment. The account was in Ohtani’s name but the phone number registered to the account was Mizuhara’s.
2- He did. It’s in the indictment. When questioned by the bank he impersonated Ohtani.
3- He did. It’s in the indictment. Mizuhara told the bookmaker that he was “good for it.” He was able to tell him that because he figured he could keep stealing money from Ohtani’s bank account.
4- Yes. It’s in the indictment. See above, He had a separate account for his winnings. The losses he pilfered from Ohtani’s account. When he was caught he was in the process of negotiating a repayment schedule with the bookmaker. We don’t know yet how much he still owed, or how much if anything he had remaining in his winnings account.
5- He didn’t. It’s in the indictment. Mizuhara had taken complete control of the account to the extent that the money manager and tax preparer who were hired by his agent were denied access to it, supposedly at Ohanti’s direction. They should have asked questions then, but they didn’t.
I know it’s probably a huge waste of time to tell you to stop trying to fill in every gap in what you know with some sort of baseless conspiracy theory, but you really should.
Dock_Elvis
Blue sky’s. You should probably stop responding when I was asked a direct question. I’m perfectly fine being done speaking on this. But in the last post I made it was in direct response to SOMEONE ELSE.
You also don’t have authority to gatekeep conversations. If people like to have conversations that aren’t harming anyone or against page rules. It’d be wise to tune them out.
You’ve tried to offhand me. I’ve never been rude. And this is a site with a comment section BUILT on it. Maybe you should appreciate considerate conversations. In this last case it was YOU who inserted yourself. It’d be easier to STOP talking about this…if you’d STOP replying when you’re not actually involved. I’ve been a decent member of the MLBtraderumors comment section since nearly the beginnimg…prior to 2010 or so. I enjoy actual baseball conbersation and I have professional baseball experience myself.
That’s what YOU should do.
Belittleling me with “probably a huge waste of time” type comments onky shows your discomfort.
Enjoy your day. I’ve enjoyed conversations with you. I don’t see the need to take your approach.
JoeBrady
3- He did. It’s in the indictment. Mizuhara told the bookmaker that he was “good for it.”
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Is that how this works? Dude tells a bookie that “he’s good for it”, and the bookie gives him a $1M line of credit.
Dock_Elvis
JoeBrady-
Don’t read anything I say as conspiratorial thinking. I don’t see anything really that would truly indicate that this went down any other way than as reported. I’m honestly much more interested in the larger case. I haven’t been mentioning Ohtani much, because it just appears he’s several layers removed from perhaps what interest the Feds have in the illegal gambling case that led to all of this.
I find conspiracy purveyors as off-base as quick Ohtani apologists. Sometimes people that make crazy assumptions don’t seem to grasp the impact of their theories being true. NO baseball fan should want Ohtani implicated of they love the game. MLB loves bad PR enough aq it is.
Complete side note. I spent three full days last May investigating the sports books at various casinos in Las Vegas. What I saw and overheard were implications that we do have a sports gambling problem going on. And I feel it’s only a matter of time before we do have a true scandal. This always seems to be the case. I could have also told you in 1996 that baseball had a massive PED scandal brewing. But that took nearly another decade to break.
JoeBrady
Dock, just a couple of comments.
I agree that there is always a fall guy. Everything in the indictment suggests that Ippie was designed to be that guy. “IF” Ohtani wanted to gamble, Ippie is the perfect go-between. Everything in the indictment, including the bookie’s text that this was a “cover job” would make perfect sense.
And, of course, it would be very bad for a player to get involved with gamblers, but it does happen, as does drug and alcohol addiction.
IRT to the “helping a friend out”, I was okay with that originally. It would be shaky and a convenient excuse, but entirely possible, and just enough for me to not question it.
And again, where is the missing $24M? You mentioned the Mafia and Yakuza, Would they let anyone walk away from a $24M debt? And to have a $24M debt, if it even exists, means a $24M line of credit. I’d be surprised if even Ohtani could get a $24M line of credit.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@JoeBrady In the past, I’ve used betting websites such as the one I.M. used with illegal bookmakers. If you have a history of settling your account, bookies will absolutely increase your credit line even when you don’t request one. The $40MM is not representative of what I.M. has already settled or paid. It also doesn’t take into account bet loss rebates and free betting credits provided to him. It’s a tactic to keep addicts in action even when they don’t have money (temporarily) to gamble. Based on his betting history as the complaint outlines, there is no way Bowyer would’ve allowed him to be in a $24MM hole. I.M. and his family moved to the U.S. when he was 7 y.o. He’s not in the Yakuza lol.
Dock_Elvis
I made the Yakuzi statement and didn’t mean to imply he was. That’s what gets lost in written conversation that would make much more sense in casual verbal conversation. As far as the deeper illegal bookmaking…that’s not operated by the Boy Scouts often. So I think in the larger case for sure the Dept of Homeland has or is looking into organized crime potentials. That’s where these various RICO statutes originated. Investigating typical organized crime rackets would for sure involve asking those questions. But..like an onion…that’s several layers from Ohtani…and atleast one from Mizuhara probably.
I’m really over the Ohtani involvement unless something comes out to change my mind. I find the illegal gambling operation case interesting. But that’s Kevin Bacon like degrees from separation from Ohtani…and it seems most likely even Mizuhara.
We do have the Russian mob, and Yakuzi operating in the states. Cybercrime which is what this ends up being on some level…cracking passwords…online accounts. That’s a real speciality. And THAT’D be the Fed target.
BUT being Japanese doesn’t make one connected to the Yakuzi even in this case. There’s people between them all if that WERE even true.
If I had to guess. I’d say the Feds are working on a larger illegal gambling network and these RICO violations. If anyone sings…itll expand. And it’ll expand away from Ohtani. If I had nabbed a bookie I’d for sure want to follow that trail a ways.
But yeah….this is getting a LOT less than being of Ohtani interest. He’s just a major name that popped up. We might see some others.
BlueSkies_LA
I’m not “belittling” anyone by pointing out the questions being asked have already been answered multiple times. It’s entirely true. Why does anyone keep asking the same, already answered questions? Beats me, but it sure isn’t my fault for pointing this out.
This is a public message board. Nobody needs permission to respond to a post. Thank you for understanding.
BlueSkies_LA
Yes, that’s how it works. It’s in the indictment.
Dock_Elvis
Your reply says it all. We’re not going to deal on the same wavelength, so just move along.
Perhaps others just don’t agree with YOUR assessment of the information. And might also have other info.
I have READ what you claim I have NOT. And I just don’t necessarily come to the same conclusions. You’re biased. That’s plain to see. Doesn’t mean you’re wrong. But you seem to want to take an affidavit at total face value. There’s implications IN the affidavit.
All you care about is Ohtani…and I’m past that.
If you need me to be the bad guy. Hope I’ll get nasty to justify you’re feelings. I’m just not going there. And I need to learn to not open conversations with people that show their hands so easily.
Gatekeep away. I’m here to have decent conversation and possibly learn some things too. Ridiculing my knowledge isn’t necessary.
I spent 3 hours on that affidavit when it came out. And I have a lot of past experience on these cases.
I’m not chasing your blinders anymore. Muted
BlueSkies_LA
Can you be sure? Have you personally checked his fingers? 😉
Honestly, I don’t know what anyone is looking for anymore. Maybe some who are still trying to unearth the coconspirtors and the mastermind behind this whole thing won’t believe it didn’t need or have either until the story is turned into a limited TV series. It could be done in anime so it looks more Japanese. I’m already sorry I said that. Now it’s going to happen!
YankeesBleacherCreature
And I’m almost certain that any other clients uncovered won’t get charged. Neither will I.M. get charged for wire fraud. This likely goes higher up than Bowyer who may be cooperating with the feds as he’s been yet to be charged.
BirdieMan
Well, it’s obvious he wasn’t spending Ohtani’s money on hair styling….
Citizen1
Hmm … accusation of steals $16 mil but bond is only $25k. Would have been $16mil Bond for some orange person.
unpaidobserver
You mean an oompa loompa?
Highwaymenace
Sad democrat.
ButchAdams79
$16m stolen plus a $1/2M salary doesn’t cover $40m in losses
yamsi1912
The Ohtani crime family is going down.
Dock_Elvis
Now I’m curious if it was Mizuhara buying up all those high priced Juan Uribe ’89 Topps on ebay…lol. The ones people suspicioned were a money launder.
Good gracious bookies. Run the cash through eBay “sales”
unpaidobserver
I’m sorry but not even Jeff Bezos not noticing 320 million in net cash flows.
holycow16
I “bet” the Dodgers still don’t make it to the WS…
josephejones
Just stopping by to say that the comment section here is among the worst of any site I regularly follow.
Highwaymenace
Dodger fans are out in full force trying to defend the guilty Ohtani. It’s not really surprising, Dodger fans are good little democrats who believe whatever they are told. Incapable of independent thought, led like dogs by talking heads. Sorry your tax cheat superstar is also a gambler, who is on video betting.
Dock_Elvis
Highwaymenace,
I’m not a Dodgers fan, but I applaud your typing. Write it all at once? Or did your mom call you to dinner, and you had to come back and finish it?
B-rocker
@ HIGHway
Just what this board needed. Another moron.
drasco036
Based on the report, it looks like Ohtani is 100% clear of any gambling and there was no evidence in the bookies detailed records to suggest there was any betting on baseball regardless. Not that anyone will actually care what the evidence suggests, people who thought he was guilty will still continue to think that.
TotalitarianBaseball
I read on an internet forum that Ohtani is actually a reptile. Just saying.
TotalitarianBaseball
or was it alien? either way
Raysasineppswasplanted
Now makes sense the large amount of money being deferred. Shoei didn’t want to put his $$$$ in harms way while Ippei manages his financials..
AL B DAMNED
The FBI needs to investigate Powerball & Mega-Millions Lottery Corporations, which are run by State Lotteries. There have been several $$ONE BILLION PLUS $$ Drawings that have been delayed, and then subsequently conducting SECRET DRAWINGS in the middle of the night and not broadcast “LIVE” for the General Public Viewing!! There is something very FISHY about these Huge, Big Money Drawings to me..and probably other people as well! You don’t see this happening with lower value Drawings “AT ALL”! SO, PLEASE FBI, IF YOU ARE READING THIS, INVESTIGATE THIS!
Dock_Elvis
Like I’ve said…virtually ANYTHING is possible. But I’m not interested in restating all these possibilities.
There’s zero evidence as presented that Ohtani was truly involved. The wording the prosecute used in the statement was he’s not a suspect “at this time.” Which doesn’t imply anything. It’s just legalese.
I don’t HAVE a theory. I’m ok with whatever. IF Ohtani was involved we’ll likely never know. So then it just derails into JFK type conspiracy trails. I’m not really into that. With anything I’ve stated I’m just trying to cover the bases of possibilities as to what might be going on with the investigation.
If anyone wants to state Ohtani is guilty…they’re being ridiculous. But if they say he’s completely clean or cleared….that’s not absolutely final either. There’s a few people that the Feds have who could and probably would blow Ohtani up at some point if he’s actually involved. And I’ll be comfortable enough if he’s not to move on.
I’m really not finding Ohtani all that interesting in this at this point. I DO find the overall illegal gambling case interesting, though.
ayeah
Stuff still doesn’t add up. Ippei stole $16 million. But lost $40.7 millions in losses. Who paid the additional $24.7 million in losses? Pete Rose?
Doral Silverthorn
Don’t be so ignorant. He won a few, lost more. When you have a winning week, you also have losing bets. In the end, he lost more than he won. He made an average of 25 bets a day for three years.
Do the math. 40.7 million in losses divided by 27,000 bets over three years. Call it $1600 a day in losses, not including the days he actually won. You’re saying he can’t afford that? He didn’t all of a sudden just run up a $40 million dollar gambling debt.