The Giants scratched Blake Snell from his scheduled start today and will place the reigning NL Cy Young winner on the 15-day injured list with a left adductor strain, retroactive to April 23, per a team announcement. Reliever Landen Roupp is up from Triple-A Sacramento to take his spot on the active roster. Right-hander Ryan Walker will open a bullpen game for the Giants in his place.
The news is the latest bump in what has been an incredibly frustrating year for Snell so far. He lingered in free agency for an extended period of time, not finding the mega deal that he was surely looking for. Instead, he pivoted towards a short-term deal and got one from the Giants, but that pact wasn’t agreed to until March 18.
He wasn’t able to get into any official Spring Training games, instead pitching in some simulated games before quickly making his debut for the Giants on April 8. But he has shown some clear signs of rust so far, with his first three starts resulting in 11 2/3 innings pitched with 15 earned runs allowed. He has only struck out 20.7% of the batters he has faced so far this year, well south of the 31.5% rate he had last year and his career rate of 29.6%.
Snell was being victimized by a .410 batting average on balls in play and 39.6% strand rate that were both unsustainably lucky. His 4.62 FIP and 3.95 SIERA both suggest he was due for a correction just based on normalized luck going forward. It also would have been fair to expect him to just get better results as he got further removed from his truncated Spring Training and into midseason form.
Unfortunately, all of that will now be put on hold for a while. The club hasn’t yet provided a timeline of how long they expect Snell to be out of action but the IL placement suggests they expect him to miss at least a couple of turns through the rotation.
Snell now joins Robbie Ray, Alex Cobb and Tristan Beck in the group of Giant starters on the injured list. Cobb and Ray each underwent surgery last year and are still working towards getting back on the mound. Beck underwent vascular surgery in March to address an aneurysm in his upper right arm and has been on the injured list all year as well.
With Snell now joining them, the rotation is left with Logan Webb, Kyle Harrison, Jordan Hicks and Keaton Winn. It seems they are planning a bullpen game today and may be able to wait before deciding on a fifth starter. They have an off-day tomorrow and then another on Monday, meaning they could potentially get by with a four-man rotation until next weekend.
Roupp has starting experience in the minors and could be an option. Mitch White was just acquired from the Blue Jays recently and he would be another option. Sean Hjelle was just activated from the injured list a few days ago but has started in the past. Kai-Wei Teng and Daulton Jefferies are on the 40-man roster and currently on optional assignment. One of the club’s top prospects is Carson Whisenhunt, who is throwing in Triple-A. However, he has an 8.79 ERA on the year and isn’t yet on the 40-man.
For Snell, the length of his absence and how it impacts the rest of his season could perhaps influence his opt-out decision. The deal he signed with the Giants comes with a $62MM guarantee, though with some money deferred. He gets $32MM for the 2024 season, in the form of a $15MM salary and $17MM signing bonus that isn’t paid out until January 2026, regardless of whether he opts out or not. If he decides to stay for 2025, he’ll get $30MM, with half of that money deferred until 2027.
Snell won the National League Cy Young last year when he posted a 2.25 ERA for the Padres and it would have been an easy decision for him to opt out if he performed anywhere close to that level again this year. But now that he’s off to a slow start and is set to miss some time, the decision becomes more murky and his future health and performance will be in the spotlight in the months to come.
Blame Scott Boras
frugal – Of course, he’s the one that ultimately caused Snell to miss ST and rush his preparation for the regular season.
It’s a snowball effect, hopefully Snell realizes it and dumps Scott’s sorry butt.
Sorry Fever but can’t blame Boras here. Snell’s history and the Giants rushing him are more important factors to me.
dewey – It’s the chicken or the egg. Whether the Giants rushed him, or he rushed himself, fact is he rushed and didn’t have a proper ramp-up because he didn’t sign until March 19th. That’s on Boras 100%, his stall tactics failed miserably.
jordan montgomery was signed later and started more quickly – nit a rush necessarily
bag – I hope Monty can avoid injury …. time will tell.
Started more quickly? Ummm … no.
Snell’s first start was April 8th.
Monty’s was April 19th.
@Dewey, of course you can. He missed all of ST because of Boras tactics and either he rushed himself back or the Giants rushed him back. And the blame falls on Boras who failed to get his client a contract during or before ST.
Everyone is different and we don’t know what of shape Snell came in but given his history, until the playoffs (if they make it), you go conservative.
Look, I dislike Boras as much as anybody else. But how is it his fault Snell did not prepare himself for the coming season even though he was unsigned? Snell is a veteran who knows what’s coming when the calendar turns to a new year. If he rushed things after signing with the Padres that’s on him for not being closer to game shape before signing a contract.
Monty’s turn is coming soon, its an injury year for pitchers many wont escape it,
Boris players do not look good thus far, could it be no ST or ramping too quickly, time will tell but what happens this season is going to play large next free agency
Who cares Monty has done quite well so far. Snell looks terrible.
@FPG: Sure, Snell is mindless and clueless and allowed Boras to lead him around by the nose and make life-altering decisions without his input.
Not only has Boras nor any other agent done you no harm, but if you’re so poorly informed as to believe the above, there’s a famous bridge about three miles from my house in Brooklyn that I would be happy to sell you.
That didn’t take long.
Blue – You’re being way too hard on Snell. He simply trusted Boras, we can’t fault him for that. How could Snell have known Boras would lead him down such a dark path? After all, Boras is the expert with the pretty good history.
Just like Ohtani trusted others with his finances, players trust their agents with negotiations. That’s why they are hired in the first place.
But I totally agree with you that Snell would be foolish to retain Boras for his next contract negotiations.
FPG: But you have no way of knowing the chain of decisions and events that got Snell to this point.
And I have no idea why you harbor such hostility toward a player agent with whom you have had no dealings or anything to do with.
@Blue…The top agents and lawyers charge considerably more than your average, everyday agents and lawyers. There’s no way someone hires a top agent/lawyer and then doesn’t take his advice on strategy. And I’m sure Kris Bryant told Scott Boras “get me to Colorado at all costs”, right?
But how does that affect or harm anybody on this thread? The hostility is amazing.
“The hostility is amazing”..I’m guessing you’ve never seen real “hostility” outside of television since you think people having opinions different than yours is hate and “hostility”. And other than rapists and pedophiles, you couldn’t name a group of more disliked people than lawyers.
Are u kidding blue ?? Boras has a history of doing this with players . Guaranteed if boras left today no one would miss him
Dude u create hostility with your garbage takes u act like u know everything super annoying blue
Blue – If somebody knows your dog died, and they tell you it died, does your mind create an elaborate fantasy where you view them as “harboring hostility” toward you?
Don’t shoot the messenger, and don’t resent those who state facts.
Blue – Ask any psychologist/therapist/whatever, and they will tell you that people who view everyone else as “hostile” typically are dealing with their own issues.
FPG: But I don’t have a dog, and what you are stating are your opinions, not facts.
Don’t shoot and try to psychoanalyze those who disagree with you.
kmk1986: If you dislike what I have to say, then don’t read my comments.
Problem solved.
Members of Congress.
The MLBPA dictates how much a MLB player agent can charge. Players make the decisions. Agents advise.
Baron just being Baron…this never fails
No pitcher has ever suffered an adductor injury that was not the result of being rushed
Ugh no. The PLAYER is the one responsible for making the decision.
It would behoove him & others like him to check their ego & stop believing they’re the second coming of Gerrit Cole or Clayton Kershaw, deserving of an outrageous contract.
Just speaking his name causes cancer, so I’d be careful with that.
Blue, In the speakers mouth. It also reveals the cankered soul of the people with such hatred of an agent. Also more than a bit of their severely damaged brains.
Are you forgetting the mind control used by Boras to turn his clients into robots? It’s the same technique Manfred uses to make the owners do his bidding.
Life – I find it absolutely fascinating you equate justified criticism with hatred. Because people like you tend to project, that must mean that YOU criticize only people that YOU hate.
Which is sad.
FPG: And what do you call criticism by random people who have had no dealings with the guy and only know what they read in and extrapolate from the media?
That’s what’s sad.
Man can u tug on boras nuts any harder guy
“Read in and extrapolate from the media…that’s what’s sad”….And so your sources are better than the rest of us?..And do tell us what “dealings” you have with Mr. Boras?
Blue – Most of us have a brain, we use it to gather information and engage in critical thinking from which we draw our own conclusions.
BTW – You criticize me often, but I have never viewed it as you being “hostile” or “hating” me. Are you saying I’m wrong about that?
I don’t hate you at all. I just don’t get all the hostility for Boras – not just from you.
mlb fan: I don’t claim to have had any dealings with Boras or any agent. That’s why I don’t judge him as you and others on here do based only on biased assumptions, ie no real information.
kmk1986: Not like you tug on your own, “guy.”
Blue – So there ya go, you are proof that people can criticize without anger, hatred or hostility.
No argument from me.
Blue – But you’re accusing others of criticizing Boras out of hatred and hostility, which is simply not true …. at least not for most of us, I can’t speak for everyone.
FPG: Maybe it’s not hatred, but there’s a great deal of vitriol, for lack of a better term, toward a guy who’s done no harm to anyone commenting on this thread.
Maybe some people resent his success for whatever reason. Could that be it?
Blue – People have a right to express their baseball-related opinions here, even without any “harm” being done against them.
And this is a forum where we all support and root for very famous wealthy athletes …. we wouldn’t be here if we resented success.
Heck I’d sell my mother-in-law for a chance to be one of these MLB players, we admire them not resent them. And we are not happy about what Boras did to some of them.
I don’t begrudge anyone their right to express their opinions. That would be senseless.
But I believe some people make unfounded assumptions about Boras and are too quick to blame him.
Boras is absolutely 100% to blame for not getting his clients signed by Spring Training.
Something must be done before 2025 season to require that FA must be signed & in Spring Training camps when pitchers & catchers report. If players aren’t signed by Spring Training then make them report to Minor League teams for minimum 90 days before being eligible for their MLB team. In addition, players should not receive MLB contract $$$ until they are officially on 26 man roster.
There has been way too many pitcher injuries this season.
Redwolves3: If labor and/or management want something done, it must be negotiated through collective bargaining.
It’s highly doubtful that the MLBPA would agree to any artificial means to limit the free agent market, nor should it.
Players also will never agree to any reduction of their compensation, nor should they.
And injuries happen every year. They’re just part of baseball, and no cause-and-effect link with the free agency process can be established.
Furthermore, there’s no evidence of a greater prevalence of injuries this season than in previous ones.
You can bleat all you like about what “should” be done, but it’s just your biased opinion formulated in a vacuum, and it carries zero weight or authority.
Bootlicker
Well, that is 60mm well spent, including the player’s option.
Blame Boris? I honestly believe there are more maroons on this site than any other site I visit. It’s quickly getting to the point where I can’t even make fun of them, pathetic. Carry on. Ahahahaha!
As if Snell’s never been injured before?!?
2018 – shoulder fatigue
2019 – broken toe, arthroscopic surgery on elbow
2021 – left adductor tightness
2022 – adductor tightness (again)
2024 – adductor strain
Hope he gets better soon but sign early next time!
at this rate – he is OPTING IN for Season 2 with SF
Well that’s going well.
Lucky Yankees!
Joe – Any team that is dumb enough to believe The Boras Compound is just as good as a major league spring training camp deserves to have their money wasted.
Any fan that is stupid enough to believe that teams don’t do a complete physical before signing players deserves scorn for their lack of mental acuity.
Life – You remind me of Bobby Dalbec, because you’re batting .000
First of all, pre-existing degenerative injuries are quite common among athletes …. particularly pitchers. Which means a mere physical wouldn’t reveal all injuries, and sometimes not even imaging would catch all injuries.
Secondly, even my 7-year-old granddaughter knows that pitchers can easily injure themselves without a proper ramp-up before giving max effort against MLB hitters in games that count.
I’m guessing you’ve never been in a gym in your life, so allow me to provide a great analogy. If you ever go into a gym, and you start working out with 100 pound weights, you will likely hurt yourself. To avoid said injury, begin working out with 10 pound weights … then after a month, increase it to 20 pounds …. then after another month increase it to 30 pounds etc. That will drastically reduce your chances of injuring yourself.
You’re welcome!
FPG that is a pretty stupid comment. This injury happened FIELDING the ball on a grounder that Snell should have never have gone for at all. I get why he did. The Giants defense has been atrocious. The BABip while he is pitching is .410.
This is NOT a pre-existing degenerative injury and you have no reason to think it is. Bringing something off-topic like that up shows you want to win your argument but have no clue about what actually happened. Let me repeat, the injury happened fielding the ball in play during a game.
Snell HAD a ramp up. Or did you miss the articles on this very website about his offseason workouts and the 60 pitch simulated game he threw right about the same time as the pitchers in camp were throwing 60 pitch outings?.
If ANYONE is to blame, other than the sheer bad luck of slipping coming off the mound to try to field a grounder, its the Giants for not sending him down to do a few starts in the minors to start the season. I guess they thought he was in phenomenal game shape since they didn’t do that.
Were you dropped on your head repeatedly as a child or is there another reason for your completely illogical post here and other consistently illogical posts?
“FPG that is a pretty stupid comment”
Should be on his tombstone
Eighty – Tombstone is definitely a good pizza, but I don’t think I could fit all those letters on it.
Unless they make a party size?
Pads – In all honesty I know I’ve called you out for your nonsensical posts and illogical hot takes many times, so I’ll let this one slide.
Except the part where you admit Snell should have been ramping up in the minors for a while. So you agree with the world, he rushed back way too soon. I’m glad to end this on a good note :O)
@Pad Fans
“If ANYONE is to blame, other than the sheer bad luck of slipping coming off the mound to try to field a grounder, its the Giants for not sending him down to do a few starts in the minors to start the season. I guess they thought he was in phenomenal game shape since they didn’t do that.If ANYONE is to blame, other than the sheer bad luck of slipping coming off the mound to try to field a grounder, its the Giants for not sending him down to do a few starts in the minors to start the season. I guess they thought he was in phenomenal game shape since they didn’t do that.”
So the Giants are at fault for rushing him to the majors? Then isn’t Boras responsible for telling his client to hold out for the best deal and miss all of spring training?
lamars, why would Boras be at fault for the Giants actions? Sometimes the lack of common sense on here is astounding.
Right now it’s looking like the Giants messed d up- bottom tier farm system losing a million of international money multiple high draft picks just to be fighting to look about as good as last yr,if the Giants don’t at least make wild card,gm gotta be fired. My 2 year could build a better team than Farhan
He’d have had a full Spring Training.
So what you are saying is he would have been injured a month ago if he signed earlier. Spring training doesn’t prevent groin injuries. This one was suffered fielding the ball.
No. I didn’t say any of that. I am questioning if conditioning is a contributing factor.
Life – The MLB record for consecutive AB’s without a hit is 54 …. and you are fast approaching that 0-for-54.
Strengthening exercises and agility drills can prevent injuries such as adductor strains, especially when done after a long break from athletic activities. This is exactly why there is an approximately 6 week spring training period for MLB players prior to every new season.
Fielding a baseball in and of itself is not typically a reason for an injury to occur. If it was, teams would need a 200-man roster to accommodate all the injuries that you claim are caused by the act of fielding a ball.
You’re welcome! I should start charging you for providing you with all this great new information! LOL!!
BIL, just mute FPG. He hasn’t gotten anything right in years.
You are wrong FPG. Snell was in great shape as evidenced by the Giants putting on the mound in a major league game so soon. He slipped coming off the mound. If you occasionally actually watched the game in question and then listened to the post game press conference you would look like an idiot less often, although with you I’m not sure even that would help.
What a mess. Guy showed up clearly not in the best shape and is shut down a few weeks into the year with a pulled muscle
lol. Guy showed up throwing 98 and needing to build up innings but otherwise in shape. this injury has nothing to do with what game shape he was in.
That’s an odd statement, you seem REALLY sure of that. Just because he hit 98 does NOT mean that he was in game shape. You cannot argue that if this happened DURING spring training; the blow is much softer, at least in the eyes of the public and the media, and other teams.
*argue against
What is odd is you commenting about something you obviously have no clue about. The Giants praised the shape Snell was in at his introductory press conference.
3 weeks earlier he had thrown a bullpen of 60 pitches. It was so remarkable how good of shape he was in even though he was missing spring training that this website had an article about his workouts over the offseason. You can even find videos of it. That bullpen was exactly the number of full effort pitches the starters on the team were throwing in camp at the time. He was not overweight or out of shape and his velocity was at 100% of normal.
This injury was not even throwing the ball. It was suffered in the 2nd inning of a cold Friday night game in San Francisco attempting to FIELD the ball on a grounder to the 2B. He pitched into the 5th inning of that game, so even it was not a significant injury. He just slipped coming off the mound to try to get to the ball that was behind him. Apparently it was barking at him after the game and the team decided he should go on the IL.
Don’t let facts get in the way of your diatribe. Wouldn’t want you to actually be informed or anything.
The Giants praised the shape Snell was in
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And the RS said Sandoval had 17% body fat.
And the NYG have no buyers’ remorse on the Daniels contract.
Pretty defensive there, Blake.
Maybe it was a ticking time bomb when he was pitching and the fielding made it explode clearly it wasn’t just the fielding to cause the injury
Neither of those have anything to do with this situation
Joe. Stick to the subject at hand.
The Giants praised Snell in his presser because he showed up ready to take the ball within a few days. He didn’t have to spend weeks in the minors like Montgomery. He was already throwing 60-70 pitch simulated games 3 weeks before he signed.
This injury was bad luck, nothing more. He slipped coming off the mound trying to do his job and field the play. He pitched 3 more innings after the injury, so obviously if this was in the middle of a playoff run he would be taking the ball in 5 days.
Yes. Yes it was.
Needing to build up innings or ready to go? Make up your mind.
I’ve watched all of Blake Snell’s starts and the guy saying he was in bad shape or whatever has no idea what he’s talking about.
The Giants certainly didn’t think he was out of shape or needed ramp up time since they didn’t send him to the minors to pitch a few games before he started pitching the majors.
Nobody here said “he was in bad shape.”
I simply presented the discussion about the topic. There’s obviously some sensitivity towards the man being considered “in game shape.” I had no idea, and I sincerely apologize (lol) for all of those offended by what I thought was a very simple, conversation post.
Carry on
“He wasn’t in game shape.”
I said, he wasn’t in the best shape, and he’s not. Look at him. Then look at him years back. One body is not like the others
“Guy showed up clearly not in the best shape” – Sodomojo
That is simply not true. He was in incredible shape. That is why the Giants were so happy with him when he reported and why he was able to start pitching in games after missing just one start at the beginning of the season.
His finish on the ball wasn’t there but he has a history of starting slow
Remember when they just called this a groin pull?
well the abductor is a muscle group, including the groin
He’s referring to how specific injury terminology is used today for news reports.
Exactly. Thanks YBC.
ohhh, my bad man.
You could see that coming with the guys who signed late.
Montgomery next?
Giants rushed him to get ready and broke him. Giants suck
It did seem like a rush.
I can picture what you must look like by your weak comments, DB. Oh, it aint pretty!
Stoked, you again? Haha. Well your mom likes the cut of my job, so…
I absolutely love a typo that ruins someone’s weak comeback.
Dennis Boyd: Try again.
“Cut of my job” isn’t an actual saying, and commenting about people’s mothers is not just old but incredibly lame.
It’s “jib,” not “job.”
If you’re trying to be witty and burn someone, at least get the wording right.
neurogame: Exactly the point I made about Dennis Boyd’s post.
But thank you, Captain Obvious.
To clue you in from your obliviousness, he erroneously said “cut of my job” and I pointed it out.
If you’re trying to look smarter than the guy you’re trying to burn, first read the original post being cited.
When you don’t, you just post something superfluous as you did.
Haha, you guys are very funny. Great jib on catching my typo and the witty retorts. Congrats on keeping this entertaining. P.s. giants and Borass both suck, haha
@Oil Can Boyd: With the benefit of 20-20 hindsight, of course you say it was a typo.
Seriously Blue? Didn’t you see my typo in the last post? Don’t be a fool, it was clearly a typo. Try jib on an iPhone and it will autocorrect to job.
Try looking at what you type and correct it before posting or edit it after. It’s not that difficult.
You’re right. I screwed up. I was in a rush and didn’t double check my post like I usually do. You and the others caught it and shamed me as you should. Just wanted to clear up it was a typo and not a misquote of the phrase.
OK
Dennis, I have no mom. You must be slathering over one of my two dads!
Haha, I should of guessed. Do giants have any straight fans? Should I slather over the pitcher or the catcher?
Candlestoked might be straight. Homosexuality doesn’t necessarily run in families.
Odds are you are correct. Baseball fan, posting on MLBTR, plus overall country demographics, etc.
So you’re nurture over nature?
I don’t know. But there are gay people all over the place, even in the Republican Party and among sports fans.
womp womp
Maybe players will see how Boras is not exactly helping their cause. His only objective is his own wallet.
You are right, but in many cases, that’s the players’ only objective as well.
Clip, I’d say all players, especially those hiring Boras. They’re looking to maximize money. In the end, though, the player is in full control.
He’s made it so only rich and elite can afford to go to games with some of these insane contracts over the years
That’s not how it works. Like at all. How do you function day-to-day if you are dumb enough to believe that
@Eighty Raw Hi Filihok’s new username! *Muted*
No idea who that is. I guess being smart enough to know that agents and player salaries are not drivers of ticket prices (an extremely low bar to clear) makes one stand out amongst this herd?
kmk1986: Team owners set prices for tickets and concessions, not Boras or any other agent.
And even if player compensation could be lowered, it would have no effect on the cost of attending games.
Pretty simple to figure out a players salary goes up everything about that team goes up not hard to figure out
kmk1986: That’s only part of the equation, but other factors drive prices as well.
How is that Boras’ fault as you previously stated?
And you used to see a bunch of boy scouts or school groups in awesome seats enjoying the game…….
Now, when the Billy types don’t go…..
you just see empty seats……
The country HAS changed…..
He is a slow starter every year. But I’m sure Boras’ misreading of his market did not help his readiness for the season.
So you think the player was sitting on his sofa at home watching TV while he was waiting for his agent to call?
Pitchers never ramp up more than doing light throwing until they have a guaranteed contract. The ramp up period is one of the times where pitchers are at highest injury risk. The financial risk is way too high to do anything other than light throwing and basic workout regiment.
Sure, starting pitchers usually need about a month to get up to full speed. But the point is, players keep in shape, even when they aren’t on the field so they should be ready for that program whenever it starts. Every amateur sports doctor who posts here always knows exactly why a player gets hurt. In reality they don’t know anything.
Boras also runs training facilities throughout the country. It’s also what he uses to recruit college and high school players.
Snell did. You can go watch video of him throwing a 60 pitch bullpen at full velocity 3 weeks before he signed.
This injury was suffered trying to field a grounder. You could see him slip as he spun to try to field the ball. .
Pitching in games with stress situations totally different from being in shape. Hard to train for that without proper games to pitch in
Too much weight lifting……….
He wasn’t watching TV he was streaming Helldivers 2 on Twitch.
I think he was bought into Boras’ bargaining tactics and chuckling about the gross sum he would be paid.
he was literally doing that lol – he has said due to the slow market he spent a lot of time playing video games.
So you think the player was sitting on his sofa at home watching TV
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James is likely right on both counts.
1-Snell’s 2nd half results are significantly better than his 1st half results.
2-Just imho, there is a fair difference between hitting the gym and being in playing shape. I hit the gym and do a little road work. But if I played a full court game of B-ball, they’ll be picking up little pieces of me all over.
Well obviously a starting pitcher or any pro athlete’s conditioning program involves more than hitting the gym. But either way I looked at Snell’s starts (all of three so far) and the longest was 4.2 innings. Granted none of them were good, but in terms of length they’re about what you’d expect for spring training games.
This honestly could be a phantom injury to give him a bit more time to get ready.
Its a real injury. Watch Friday’s game. You will see where he suffered it fielding the ball. He stayed in that game until the 5th inning long after the injury happened.
Golf clap to the Snell fans. Guy isn’t even worth the money he signed for.
Statcast indicates he’s just been the victim of bad luck (eyeroll). There’s a million excuses for failure. Koufax, Seaver, Carlton, Gibson, Johnson, etc were not issued a little wagon of excuses to pull around with them to justify poor performance, but that’s just how things are today, and the apologists who work for free will diligently defend mediocrity at every turn. Excuse me for a moment – there are some kids on my lawn :p
Well for good or ill, Giants may be stuck with him next year.
tbh that might not be the worst thing
Upset you closed the comments on the Ohtani-Rapsodo post I know this crowd would’ve had a field day with it!!
I thought he would get a sponsorship from Draftkings or one of those ESL softwares
I was thinking LifeLock.
@Yanks4life22
Does this mean Ohtani no longer plays for the Dodgers?
On the DL with suckitis
Why did they close the comments for the Ohtani story???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Because of you Steve. Because of you.
Liberalsteve: Someone needs to close and lock the question mark on your keyboard.
Love the silly causality vs correlation debates in here.
Clearly Darvish’s stiff neck is because the Pads let him have a full ST to ramp up rather than rushing him back.
I wonder if other species in the evolution of life on earth are as prone to develop a narrative and stick with it despite evidence to the contrary quite like ours does?
Being willfully ignorant for non-humans usually gets you killed or outcasted leading to less survivability in nature, so no?
@ Yankees. Some herd animals will follow others into peril. But yes, I agree, only in H. sapiens has willful ignorance persisted to this tipping point in natural selection.
Agreed. Primate groups do it all the time when fighting other groups for territory even when one is vastly out-numbered and out-skilled. I’ve read a lot of Jane Goodall.
Being willfully ignorant for non-humans usually gets you killed
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This has generally been true for humans until real recently. Even when I was a kid, there was a certain amount of ‘kill or be killed” going around. You generally got your chops busted for being fat, and getting left back might make you want to leave the school, and stuff like that.
I’m not defending the behavior, but you were motivated to stay at least a little in shape and at least pass your classes. Now you can be 60 pounds overweight and not add up a column of numbers, and you’ll be told not to worry about it.
In humans, especially lately, and in particular with amateur sports injury diagnosis, false narratives often do not outlive their host populations, but when they do a beneficial culling is realized.
It’s not a worldwide phenomenon.
He’s only thrown 235 pitches. That’s not being rushed. And last season he had a full spring training. Then had a horrible April. Then won Cy Young. I love all the “experts” takes.
What a bandit, and J.D is out too right ? The G Soras stable, what a hoot. Swindlers list ?
Another pitching clock victim, clearly.
Great signing lol knew he would be a dud.
Just like Jose Abreu was for your Astros, John Rocker.
Why, besides the bigotry, are you a John Rocker fan in 2024?
The Giants did NOT see this coming. Yikes. Hope Snelly can bounce back and give the Giants a shot at the wild card.
It’s cool. They were due for an injury. I’ll take a groin.
After 3 starts last season Snell had a 7 ERA. That one turned out ok.
In 2022 he didn’t start pitching until the 2nd half of May.
A guy who signs late, skips Spring Training and rushes into service with his new team getting injured?..This almost never happens(eye roll).
KEKW
1-Monthy with a shutout thru 9.1 IPs.
2-Going to check the roto leagues to see if anyone wants to panic on Snell.
Players who are Boras clients especially 1s in a walk year goin into free agency gota be lil spooked. I rember Weaver, P w/Angels, didn’t go to free agency choosing to stay home in Anaheim @a discount, n Boras was his agent. He works for players not other way around, players call the shots. Just like Montgomery dumping Boras as his representation cpl days ago. What kinda $ was he promising and maybe like Snell, turning dwn $150Million frm Yanks was overplaying his hand.
History repeats itself. In 2000, Juan Gonzalez, regrettably in hindsight, had turned down the largest contract extension at the time for $140MM with the Tigers. Players leave agents all the time. It just so happens that Boras’ high-profile clients get amplified and produces a lot of noise.
Waiting on Phils to put out feelers for Taijuan Walker interest.
Dude got paid.
Signed the wrong lefty, Boras client.
I don’t think Boras has anything to do with it. But the two-year guarantee might be a very good thing for Snell, given that salary. The team, and Snell, would be better off with Snell being given time to heal. If he has a shortened or off year, he’s always got 2025. And if he, even despite an off year or injury shortened year, decides leave, the Giants won’t have invested that much in him
Invested $62Million in em. That’s $62Million that could have been allocated for other players to shore up roster weaknesses. That’s a chunk of change, coulda spread it out over cpl nice players. Rushed back to soon, performed like turd, n got hurt. Get well soon.
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where is the harmony, sweet harmony?
It just keeps slipping away…
I think Snell is a reliably unreliable up and down performer anyway- one good year followed by one or two bad years, rinse and repeat- and this expedited spring training might’ve led to his injury, but didn’t necessarily lead to his performance up to now in 2024. I also don’t think he will necessarily last as a top tier starter through 2026 etc. and this $62M deal might be it for him.
I feel bad for Snell, but he isn’t the only player to get a Cy Young or two and not be the kind of pitcher who gets top dollar or long term contracts. Some guys’ best years are award worthy, but aren’t consistent enough or reliable enough to warrant the highest salary or the longest contract.
Like I said- I feel bad for the guy, but just like how some players time their careers perfectly (Patrick Corbin, etc.) other guys are just unlucky in the context of timing free agency, age, track record, etc.- again, in the context of an MLB career and the money and years that theoretically express value. Obviously in real world terms he had already made an incredible amount of money before 2024 and $62M is a sizable consolation prize if this proves to be it for him in terms of eight figure salaries or deals.
29 teams ecstatic they passed on the overpay
I always say I don’t like when a player gets injured but I do this time. Snell is lame. Pathetic signing
Real classy Joel.
You should probably mute yourself.
The organisational risk that comes with his personal business focus isn’t worth the on field boost given by his pitching.
No idea who Matt Araiza is.
Bauer is a loose cannon on SM. Has a history of growing that business on the back of trashing his employer. History shows that the first thing that he doesn’t like about your org is getting broadcast to millions. He is high maintenance.
Not even the bottom-dwelling teams believe he’s worth the risk, even for nothing. This should tell you something and also suggest that you really do need a better obsession.
Which free agent SP out there can the Giants consider?
No need.
They have plenty of arms, and this injury won’t keep him from more than a couple starts. SFG has good starter depth and are probably wondering if they even needed Snell in the first place. Especially if he continues the ineffectiveness.
Time to get over that obsession, don’t you think?
Nothing like a good obsession to make your day. Now, go find one!
The adductor is the chute that leads from the salary money to the toilet.
Wakey wakey. Eggs and Blakey
This was to be expected. So many pricey free agents that hold out until the end of spring training end up on the DL soon enough.
Maybe teams need to take the approach that if a free agent signs late and misses more than a week or two of ST, just don’t sign that guy. That FA still wants to make his 30 starts, so he can get paid next year too, and his body / arm just won’t be ready. Especially if he signs just a one year deal.
This is the type of contract that gets a GM fired. Can’t let the player or the agent dictate how you run your organization. Can’t simulate game adrenaline in a bullpen setting.
Not surprised. Snell May have nasty stuff, but the nastiest part about him is the fact that he’s a lazy-assed motherf Somehow does really well when monies on line, as in a new contract.
At the beginning of the season I was hesitant to have Mason Black in the rotation, when we already had two rookies there. But now that the Giants are 12-9 when Webb-Harrison-Hicks-Winn start and 0-5 when anyone else does, I think giving Black a shot would be smart.
Can we Puhleeeze dump Hjelle?! How many chances does he get to prove he doesn’t belong?
Who didn’t see this coming? Holds out for the very last dollar, comes into ST late, tried to get ready too soon do he can pile up stats and get paid again next year. All about getting paid, no sense of working to improve the team.