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Red Sox Notes: Ortiz, Owens, Trade Plans, Masterson

By Jeff Todd | June 19, 2015 at 10:17pm CDT

David Ortiz has ten-and-five rights and says there’s “no chance” he’d approve a deal to another club, as Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports. There hasn’t been any credible suggestion that Boston would look to move one of team’s best-known players, of course, but it sounds as if that has no chance of becoming a realistic possibility. “This is the team I’ll be with the rest off my career,” said Ortiz.

Here’s more on the Red Sox, who entered play today at ten games under .500:

  • Starting pitching prospect Henry Owens has struggled mightily this year at Triple-A, as Alex Speier of the Boston Globe writes. His walks have skyrocketed even as his strikeout numbers have lagged. Of course, the big southpaw is still just 22, and Pawtucket pitching coach Bob Kipper says there’s still plenty of reason to believe that Owens can be a quality big league starter. That may well be true, but Boston probably hoped Owens would be ready to step in this year or next, and he has some work to do to get back on track.
  • As the Red Sox front office gets ready to evaluate the summer trade market, the team could well face tough questions about whether contention is reasonably possible this season. As Jason Mastrodonato of the Boston Herald writes, GM Ben Cherington did not directly answer the question whether the club could look to the future in structuring its moves. “Get better and be the best team we can be,” he said when asked whether the club would focus on current upgrades. “Not putting a date on it but just be the best team we can be. That’s what we would be geared toward. We haven’t considered anything other than that at this point.”
  • Cherington said that he takes responsibility for the team’s sluggish performance to date, as Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald reports. One key issue, of course, has been the poor overall work of major signings Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval. “Look, we’ve had plenty of examples of guys who, 5 or 10 percent of the way through their contracts, there was an adjustment period and they didn’t take off quite yet and then in time it does,” Cherington said. “I’m not going to make any judgments on any specific decision or player based on that short amount of time. But I will certainly make judgments on myself for the overall performance and the team’s performance. That’s on me. If there’s any single person I’m focused on, it’s more my own decisions in total. If you want to talk about the total performance of the team, it’s got to be about me more than any individual out there.”
  • Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports argues that Boston needs to do whatever it can — which would, surely, include eating quite a bit of money — to move both Ramirez and Sandoval. That seems a bit hasty, in spite of the obvious problems that have arisen, not least of which because the club would be selling quite low on both players. As John Tomase of WEEI.com writes, many of the team’s big contracts would be quite difficult to move without keeping a big piece of the salary obligations and/or including quality young talent to rid itself of those contracts. All said, from my view, the only course of action at this point is to wait and hope for better — though Cherington & Co. have shown plenty of willingness to jump on opportunities to get out from under bad contracts.
  • Of course, the focus early on was on the team’s pitching, and while there have been some signs of improvement, all is not quite well on that front either. Justin Masterson has, of course, struggled after signing a one-year deal that he and the team hoped would coincide with a turnaround. Masterson is coming to the end of a rehab stint, and the team has given him the choice whether to accept a move to the bullpen or take another rehab start to allow more time for evaluation, Mastrodonato reports. That might not be a permanent move, skipper John Farrell emphasized. “If it were in the next 10 days and he was in the bullpen we feel like he’s built up enough pitches that if he didn’t start for five, six days, he could be inserted into the rotation if needed,” Farrell said. “Those are all things being discussed and factored.”
  • In a longer-term matter, the Red Sox are increasingly considering whether it makes sense to shift good arms into bullpen roles earlier in their careers, Mastrodonato reports. “In the lower levels obviously we’re trying to get guys as many innings as possible and starting is the easiest way to do that, but there’s an exception,” explained Cherington. “And we’ve been a little more proactive recently at the upper levels of trying to identify guys we think might perform better in that role, move them into that role a tick quicker.” The Boston GM did make clear that starting pitching was the priority, but said that the organization wants to be realistic about how it can get assets onto its major league roster. Then, there are broader market considerations. “Part of it is you’re trying to get players ready for the big leagues,” said Cherington, “but part of it is an acknowledgement of the market. Free agency is treating non-closing major league relievers better than ever.”
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34 Comments

  1. Randall

    10 years ago

    About time Cherington acknowledged the virtues of a young bullpen. He’s had a couple good, cheap relievers slip right through his fingers:

    Josh Fields (lost in Rule 5): 1.93 ERA this year
    Alex Wilson (throw in piece of Rick Porcello trade): 1.85 ERA
    Mark Melancon (Hanrahan trade): 3 straight seasons with <2 ERA since traded

    Meanwhile he's had an unuseable Craig Breslow on the roster for the past 2 seasons. Throw Edwin Escobar, Matt Barnes, Pat Light and Jonathan Aro into the fire and see who sticks for next year. Let these young guys be contributors in the majors while they still have it, because it can disappear in an instant (see: Daniel Bard)

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    • thefenwayfaithful 2

      10 years ago

      Good points all around but I’d remember that Fields & Wilson have very short track records and Melancon has only ever succeeded in Pittsburgh and Houston. The Yankees didn’t see him as a fit in their pen either, remember. Melancon is one of those guys who is a gem in the NL but can’t seem to hold up against AL teams. IN his career, he has a 4.32 ERA in 6 appearances vs NYY. 5.54 in 11 appearances against TOR. In contrast he has a 2.02 in 14 games against the Mets, a 1.11 in 23 games against St. Louis, and even a 1.64 in 11 games against the Nationals. It’s tough to say he slipped through Cherington’s fingers. He’s just another arm that wasn’t made for the AL.

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    • kingjenrry

      10 years ago

      Very true. A counterpoint are the Mets, a team that has refused to spend any money on their bullpen but has the 6th best bullpen ERA in the sport right now. On a semi-related note, Rosenthal’s crazy for suggesting the team should move Hanley and Panda right now.

      Reply
  2. Steve_in_MA

    10 years ago

    From a macro point of view, we really need to quit panicking about the Red Sox. There’s much to like about this team, and the future is quite promising. I would get rid of Napoli, demand Panda lose some weight, and look to replace 3 guys in the bullpen. Otherwise, I think we have a team that can compete in the long-term.

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    • aggee10

      10 years ago

      Why do you think panda needs to lose weight?

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    • thefenwayfaithful 2

      10 years ago

      Wish there was a like or +1 button so I could spam it repeatedly.

      I compare the 2015 Red Sox to the 2012 Dodgers. The basic foundation of that lineup was still there in 2014 when they were among favorites for the World Series. Yet in 2012 and early 2013, we were talking about how Mattingly’s job is at stake and how this team is not clicking. It took nearly a full year before that lineup started clicking. They just need that Kershaw/Grienke combo at the top of the rotation (and it really doesn’t have to be nearly that good…) and we look like 2 pretty similar ball clubs (composition wise).

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    • willy

      10 years ago

      I like the way youre thinking. Id take it a step further. I would be looking to lose Ortiz somehow, he’s hurting the team more than helping and they need to make Hanley the fulltime DH. I would trade Buchholz right now while his value is high But I agree they should trade Nap- too. I think if they can get something half way decent for Nap & Buch, combined with signing a top tier starter and signing Upton next winter theyll have a very good team next year.

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      • kingjenrry

        10 years ago

        With Napoli gone, they could probably stick Hanley at 1B. With Sandoval struggling at 3B, he could also be an option at the hot corner. Hanley’s a bad LF but he’s far from a true DH at this point.

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        • willy

          10 years ago

          Compared to Headley (the only other choice available last winter) Panda is doing much better, I think he’ll be fine. Do you really want to move Hanley to 1st? I think that was be just as much an adventure as LF is and he has said he doesnt want to go back to the Infield. If Hanley just had to concentrate on hitting i think he’d be fine, he’s a career .300 hitter afterall.

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  3. madmc44

    10 years ago

    Robbie Ross Jr, Breslow could be traded.

    Ogando was a nice addition this season–used early to put out a fire.

    Hembree until he went on the DL had a couple of excellent appearances.

    Layne, Tazawa and Koji are really reliable.

    I’ve seen Light at AA and has transitioned nicely at AAA and is ready for Boston.

    I haven’t seen Aro but he has moved through the system quickly and is in AAA as a setup guy.

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  4. gomerhodge71

    10 years ago

    David Ortiz with another team-first comment. Block any possible deal that would allow the Red Sox to improve themselves in the future.

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    • stl_cards16 2

      10 years ago

      Surely you’re not serious.

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      • User 4245925809

        10 years ago

        There was a story yesterday in the NE press where Ortiz said he’d refuse any trade out of Boston is probably why the poster wrote that Stlcards16.

        I tell ya though.. It’s hard to figure out Ortiz this year. Back in ’09, Ortiz had troubles and his bat was just slow, he couldn’t get around on good heaters, but this year? That isn’t the problem at all. Example? K C announcers last night were giving him grief.. Blaming his problem on exactly THAT.. Saying his bat was slow, after he was 0-4.. Then Hochever comes in the 9th.. 95mphFB inside.. WHAM.. Ortiz pulls it down the RF line and neither announcer says a thing to undo what rubbish they were talking about his bat.. Nothing wrong with the speed, maybe his sight or something?

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        • Steve_in_MA

          10 years ago

          One cannot refuse his outright release. I’d eat the salary to get rid of the headache.

          Reply
  5. dylanp5030

    10 years ago

    Owens has struggled and the walks are worrisome, yet some people still think Ruben should be satisfied with him as a centerpiece for Hamels.

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    • stymeedone

      10 years ago

      Only Boegarts, of their untouchables, has actually developed as Boston was envisioning. Swihart, Betts, Castillo, and now Owens, have all become questionable. It now looks like Philly may not even accept what RAJ was asking for earlier, as all of Boston’s asked for prospects have declined in trade value.

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      • willy

        10 years ago

        Swihart isnt questionable at all, please keep in mind…he isnt supposed to be in the Majors yet, he was supposed to spend the whole year (or More) in Pawtucket, they rushed him up because of injuries instead of just acquiring a fill in Catcher. Blake is still on track, assuming they havent messed him up by calling him up. Every team in baseball would love to have him.

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        • stymeedone

          10 years ago

          I’m not saying that other teams wouldn’t love to have them. I’m saying that they aren’t willing to give up quite as much now that they are struggling somewhat. Boston chooses to call them up before they are ready. Then they struggle. Then they lose trade value. Boegarts has recovered. Aaron Hicks (MIN) hasn’t. A lot of teams would love to have the Aaron Hicks that was a prospect at AA. Now that he has failed to this point in the majors, however, teams are not going to offer what they would have earlier. If Swihart wasn’t ready to be in the majors, why would Boston call him up? It’s not like there are no fill in catchers available, or they are expensive to get. He could become a star, or Ryan Lavarnway II.

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          • willy

            10 years ago

            Boston called up Swihart because they were too lazy and too stupid to acquire a catcher from another team. Wellington Castillo was available and Carlos Ruiz is still available, instead they rushed Swihart. Then when Hanigan gets healthy again theyll send him back down but I worry about what that may do to his development in the short term.

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      • mookiessnarl

        10 years ago

        You should probably reevaluate Betts. Up to .267 with a 103 OPS+. Raised his batting average 33 pts in his last 23 abs. Gee, it’s almost like prospects need time to adjust before succeeding. Nah, that’s crazy talk.

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        • willy

          10 years ago

          You are correct, Betts has improved since having a couple of days off to heal his back. I look forward to big things from him in the near future.

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      • kingjenrry

        10 years ago

        Bogaerts still isn’t hitting as they expected.

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        • willy

          10 years ago

          Bogaerts is doing exactly what they wanted. It is expected that once he feels comfortable all around, which tends to take 3 full years, that he will hit for Power.

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        • mookiessnarl

          10 years ago

          He’s 22 years old, give him a minute. His defense has improved exponentially and he’s tied for 4th in the majors among shortstops in fWAR.

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          • willy

            10 years ago

            People expect every top prospect to be like Mike Trout, it doesnt work that way.

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      • Steve_in_MA

        10 years ago

        Betts and Swihart are coming along beautifully. Betts is a game changer on the bases and is hitting .600 since returning from an injury. Swihart is doing an excellent job as a defensive catcher, and he has improved his batting average from circa .210 last week to .233 this week. Castillo looks capable at the plate, but lost on defense. He needs AAA time. Owens, you may well be right about. His ERA is in the 3’s and he still has a serviceable WHIP, but his development of pitch control is questionable.

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  6. stymeedone

    10 years ago

    Ken Rosenthal must be living in a fantasy world. What “just signed” player has ever been dumped by his team, causing the team to eat salary? I have stated these signings were going to be problematic for the Red Sox since January. I don’t like them either. Now that they have been done, however, the Red Sox will have to work with these players for at least 2 years.

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    • willy

      10 years ago

      Rosenthal and Buster Olney have been losing their minds the last couple of years, they couldnt be any further from the truth on alot of things of late.

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    • oh Hal

      10 years ago

      I think a lot of the time they shoot the breeze with opposing management and then repeat what was said.

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  7. willy

    10 years ago

    Im not worried about Owens. For the life of me I dont know why people are overracting to Pablo and Hanley. They need to find a way to get rid of Ortiz so Hanley can be the full time DH. Pablo will be Fine! Then next off season they need to overextend themselves to bring Upton to Boston and also add a top of the line Starter, thats when they will be a good team. Right now their carrying too many players hitting under .260 and they dont have that top tier starter to get them through rough times, once they get a better bat (Upton) next year and a top tier pitcher theyll be a much better team.

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  8. therealryan

    10 years ago

    Why is it a tough question if contention is possible? The Red Sox are the second worst team in the AL and are right there battling with the White Sox to be the worst team. They should be selling off what they can and starting to look forward to the offseason market and next year. There goals should be to get whatever they can for Napoli, Buchholz, Uehara and De Aza now and then Victorino and Masterson when they come back. Buchholz and Uehara should get them some good prospects too.

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    • willy

      10 years ago

      I agree with you 100%, sell off what you can, get what you can and plan for next season Now!

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    • rmullig2

      10 years ago

      Uehara is the only the fourth most attractive closer on the market. Not nearly as good as Papelbon and owed far more money than K-Rod or Clippard. The return on him would be meager. Buchholz has value if he continues to pitch well but he is liable to lose it at any time and is injury prone. Not getting a top prospect for him.

      Victorino is untradeable and De Aza was just released. These guys would be lucky to be put on any other major league roster. Napoli’s contract and poor performance this year have erased his value. They may be able to give him away but that would be the best case scenario.

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      • willy

        10 years ago

        keepin mind we were able to get Eduardo Rodriguez for a Relief pitcher and we got to arms, regardless of how good or bad they are for Jake flippin Peavy, so to say that we wouldnt get a top prospect or someone good for Clay is ridiculous im afraid. Any team that is short a pitcher but feels their in contention for a playoff spot and or title will pay alot for Clay.
        As for napoli his trade value is limited I’ll give you that but if a team has an long term injury to a player and its near the deadline theyll want Nap- for his defense alone.

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