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Andy
Good article
Brad426
Or at least o long article. Looks like it would be good.
HerbertAnchovy
It was good. I’m guessing books are out of the question then?
Brad426
Eh, short books maybe.
JohnPaulP
“They became the first team in history to have not just five players with 140 or more strikeouts, but four such players as well.”
What does this mean?
Andy
the previous record was 3 with 140 k’s or more, they skipped 4 and went straight to 5.
Andy Ledford
Thankyou, I was curious about the same thing
HerbertAnchovy
It means that that they were the first team to have four players with 140 or more K’s, and broke that record with 5, or that’s how I read it.
0vercast
You qouted it incorrectly, but it’s still poorly worded. The “as well” at the end makes it sound like they have 5 players IN ADDITION to the 4 they just mentioned.
“They became the first team in history to have not only four players with 140 or more strikeouts, but five such players as well.”
Mike Axisa
I changed the wording. Should be clearer now.
Brad426
Yeah, that’s perfect.
Brad426
Agreed. If the “as well” wasn’t there I woulda gotten it (when I eventually read down that far… SQUIRREL!”
Brenden
The Diamondbacks offense will struggle at times because the lineup just isn’t that good, especially compared to last year. But they do reduce strikeouts which was much needed and add some good situational hitters and more productive at bats could make this team progess more than they would with Reynolds and LaRoche. This team will be in better shape despite the worse record that most assume they will have. Good luck to them.
JohnPaulP
Makes sense, but it seems like if that’s the case the numbers should be flipped. Like
They became the first team in history to have not just four players with 140 or more strikeouts, but five such players as well.
The wording still sounds a bit odd.
JohnPaulP
This was supposed to be a reply to an earlier question I asked. Guess I just hit the wrong button.
southpawryno
i really don’t see how Arizona can produce enough runs to support their young rotation…
Dan
Agreed. I think Arizona has the potential to be a 100 loss team. There just isn’t a lot to love about this young team. This doesn’t feel like a few years ago when a lot of hot prospects were growing together. It feels more like watching a AAAA team.
Brad426
Done! I think I agree with Mike’s premise here (that the D-Back offense will be worse even if their strike out rate is way lower). And I realize K’s can be a rally killer and all, but I will take Mark Reynolds and his 200 K’s as long as he has that .817 OPS.
dc21892
To me, Reynolds is who he is. Sure on an 0-2 count he shouldn’t be geared up to try to smack a 400 foot homer, but that’s what he does. He runs into enough balls to make up for his strikeouts.
johnsilver
Reynolds reminds me of 70’s Red Sox player Butch Hobson.. Swing for the fences, or don’t bother swinging at all and strike out a lot.
Boston tinkered with his swing after the ’78 season and yeah.. They got his k’s to go down and he even hit 28HR’s that year, but the last year he ever hit more than 11HR again. Washed up at 28YO.
Sometimes it is best to leave those swings alone if it is natural for guys, K’s and all.
SolidarityInSF
Reynolds’ swing is more or less designed to hit home runs. His pronated top hand and slight uppercut obviously make it harder for him to make contact, but it’s what he’s been built for. Rebuilding his swing would probably do more harm than good, as you suggest.
johnsilver
That is all a part of it, not just muscling the ball over the fence, but the stance, way the hands are held etc.. Boston started working on Hobson during ST that season and remember well by bringing in Sox HOF’er Ted Williams and his #1 project was Hobson and to bring down his K total and to get him to be more patient at the plate, plus “fix” his swing some.
Now no disrespect on Williams, he was one of the greatest hitters that ever lived, but for some guys, it just won’t work and Hobson was one of them. Hobson was a mediocre at best 3B that had HR power and pretty much nothing else going in his favor, once he lost that, there was nothing else keeping him in the big leagues.
SolidarityInSF
Reynolds’ swing is more or less designed to hit home runs. His pronated top hand and slight uppercut obviously make it harder for him to make contact, but it’s what he’s been built for. Rebuilding his swing would probably do more harm than good, as you suggest.
Jonny Dollar
Reynolds is an “interesting” player. Had 17 doubles to 32 homers last year. Had 83 walks. 211 strikeouts. Not including reaching by error, he reached base 182 times. I get the feeling if he could get a bit better at pitch recognition, and what to do on certain counts, this guy could be a monster.
jonesbaseball
What concerns me about trading Reynolds is that he was brought up initially from AA ball, and probably at least a year early. So he never really got to fully develop as a hitter, and who knows, it could start to happen soon and he could become much more productive.
Josh Stuart
That line on Mark Reynolds is crazy:
” [he’s] the only player in the history of the game to strikeout 200 or more times in a season, and he’s done it in each of the last three years. In 2010, he ended a stunning 42.3% of his at-bats with strike three, 6.6% more than second place Adam Dunn.”
Like wow.
gringo20
Towers is going to feel like a fool when Reynolds BABIP reverts back to his standard. Last year was a down year, and although he will probably never hit three hundred, a 260 hitter with forty bombs and 100 RBI is better than two middle relievers will ever be.
niched
You may be right, but the Dbacks got a good pitcher for Reynolds in David Hernandez. Hernandez was really good for the O’s last year out of the pen. But in the NL West he could be good as a starter instead.
SolidarityInSF
Eh, if you’re coming out of the bullpen, you’re probably not good enough to be a starter in the long term anyway. A purebred power hitter is always going to be worth more than a reliever, and usually by a factor of 3 or 4.
Towers sold low for a volatile product. I can’t blame him for trying to strengthen one of the worst bullpens I’ve ever seen, but Reynolds wasn’t the guy to trade in order to do it.
niched
Hernandez is good enough to be a 4/5 guy in a lot of rotations. But in the AL East he was definitely better out of the bullpen. Arizona needs bullpen help for sure, but if they get more of it then it wouldn’t be out of the question for them to move Hernandez to the rotation at some point. He gives them flexibility.
GoRav114
you bring up a great point on Hernandez. As an O’s fan this guy looked like he was going to be a great starter and then faltered quickly and was sent back down. His stuff was so good though that he came back up and was switched to the bullpen where he was lights out. While I am happy with the trade because our desperate need for power numbers, losing Hernandez really stings.
I would expect Arizona will have him starting by mid year now that he has a bit more experience and is out of the AL. I can’t wait to watch Reynolds and hope he can figure it out a bit with 2 strikes.
Is Reynolds mostly a pull hitter?
gringo20
I think they plan on using Hernandez as the seventh inning guy, or the eighth of Gutierrez sucks (highly possible). Reynolds has huge pop to all fields.
niched
I’m an O’s fan too, so I don’t like to lose Hernandez, but this is for sure a trade the O’s had to make. It will be interesting to see what Reynolds can do in a different setting. If he can back to his 2009 numbers I’m sure the O’s will be quite happy. Not sure if Reynolds is a more of a pull hitter more than your average hitter. I think he hits to the opposite field too, with power.
gringo20
It’s just hard for me to justify the logic behind trading a guy who still drove in 87 when he was at his worst, for a guy who may become a #4/5 guy if we’re lucky
niched
You may be right, but the Dbacks got a good pitcher for Reynolds in David Hernandez. Hernandez was really good for the O’s last year out of the pen. But in the NL West he could be good as a starter instead.
JagBack
I know we needed to strengthen the bullpen, and cut down on Ks, but at the cost of most of our offense? I think we should have resigned Laroche and gave Reynolds one more year. I wish we had gotten rid of J-Up instead, he is a horrible outfielder and is also a K machine. I’ve never seen a guy look so embarrased trying to hit an outside pitch. So we won’t give up as many runs now, but we won’t score any either.