Some links from baseball's two east divisions…
- The Orioles are expected to be more active on the trade market than in free agency, writes MLB.com's Britt Ghiroli. Jeremy Guthrie has been their most actively shopped player, and several teams have expressed interest. Baltimore would almost certainly want pitching in return.
- Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos told Shi Davidi of Sportsnet.ca that he's likely to exhaust all trade options for pitching help before diving into free agency. A second baseman is also on the agenda, and the team would like to add a frontline starting pitcher if possible.
- Earlier today we heard that the Marlins' reluctance to include a no-trade clause is an obstacle as they try to sign Mark Buehrle, but president of baseball operations Larry Beinfest told Joe Capozzi of The Palm Beach Post that he isn't worried about the team's policy hurting their ability to sign premium free agents.
- "I’ve actively shopped players this fall that I haven’t mentioned their names," said Braves GM Frank Wren to Dave O'Brien of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Twitter links). He was referring to players that are reportedly on the market, but have not actually been discussed with other teams.
- "Martin Prado is a solid player and a part of our team for almost five years. We’re not out looking to trade good players," added Wren according to O'Brien (on Twitter). Prado has been a popular name on the trade rumor circuit this offseason.
there you go.. prado staying put. jurrjens maybe not..
I just hope Hanson can stay healthy. He is going to be pure beast mode. If that can happen, sure.
with Tim Hudson’s back surgery I wouldn’t bet on it.
He should be ready by spring training according to reports .
he’s getting up there in age though and surgeries on someone his age is his line of work are never guarentees. It would probably be better to be safe than sorry, no?
I think you could still have him not ready and still trade Jurrjens and put out a rotation that will still produce .
Hanson
Beachy
Minor
Medlen
Teheran
I’d think Delgado would get more of a hold on a starting spot in that scenario than Medlen, if only to ease Medlen back. I’ve been more impressed with Delgado than Minor in limited playing time.
The Braves and the Rays are loaded with young pitching!
Wren didnt say he wouldnt trade Prado. If he can upgrade LF and trade Prado, he will.
Tigers need Prado. Just no pitching prospects gom back your way, we know how that ends up.
Luckily for you we don’t need them
even with a deep system of pitchers, that’s a silly comment. they are assets…
I’d like to see a blockbuster which would send Prado and Heyward to Detroit. I’m not sure what that would include? I’m guess no arms would be going Atlanta’s way.
No Heyward is going the Tigers way either. Forget about it!!
ATL trading Heyward is less likely then when he came up and was the top hitting prospect in baseball because we’re not going to sell low on a cheap All-Star that will be one of the faces of the franchise.
Just send Peralta and a low level prospect
He said Prado was ‘solid’. He’s not trading good players. Solid players are free game.
JURRJENS WONT GO ANYWHERE FOR ANYONE LESS THAN A BJ UPTON STEVEN DREW OR IAN DESMOND TYPE PLAYER AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK
JURRJENS WONT GO ANYWHERE FOR LESS THAN A BJ UPTON IAN DESMOND OR JUSTIN UPTON OR TIM WHEELER OR CHARLIE BLACKMON TYPE PLAYER AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK AND BANK ON IT
wow, two posts with the Braves in one night…pinch me I must be dreaming
Prado to the Jays for Travis Snider & Mark Teahan
Change snider to Thames and you have a deal
No, I don’t think you do actually.
Change Snider to Anthony Gose and you have a deal.
Prado is barely worth Thames yet alone gose
Prado plays 1b, 2b, 3b, and LF. He was worth 7.6War in 2009/2010 alone, and 10WAR since 2006. Thames is a platoon player and from 2002-2011 he’s been worth a total of 2.8WAR. So yeah, you are spot on.
hahahahaha
you lost all credibility when you said from 2002-2011 he’s been worth a total of 2.8 WAR
in 2002 he was 16 years old.. can’t believe he wasn’t puting up 4 WAR seasons in the bigs!!!!
not that it would ever happen but doesn’t teahan for teheran look cool when written out?
Only on paper , lol .
I dont think either team does that..
Braves wont want to take on teahan’s salary, Jays wont want to trade Snider at his lowest value.
Blech!! No thanks!!
“I’ve actively shopped players this fall that I haven’t mentioned their names,”
Umm…..what is that suppose to mean ? Is that suppose to mean that there are some players being shopped around that we haven’t heard of yet . Is another Dan Uggla like deal in the works ?
I think he’s saying he’s shopped players to other GMs without even mentioning their names. “I have a Mystery Box available. It could be Heyward. It could be Teheran. It could be Ross. All it will cost you to find out is your best prospect.”
mlbtr totally screwed up with the interpretation of the tweet.
“What #Braves GM Wren was saying is that there are some players he’s reportedly shopped whom he actually hasn’t even mentioned to teams.”
this
Yeah , thats a little easier to understand . So I wonder who is being shopped and who Wren is asking about . I’d like to make a trade with a team like the Rangers (Cruz) , Orioles (A. Jones) , or Rays (Upton) .
If braves fans hated escobar, I dont see how Upton would be a good fit for that team..
Jones and Cruz would take top prospects.
We were linked to Upton last year . And prospects are something that we have a few of .
In fairness, I’m not sure it was so much Braves fans that hated Yunel as it was Bobby Cox.
Sounds like he is at least keeping an open mind on doing what he can to improve the team . Even if it means giving up a top prospect and or someone already on the ballclub who is already MLB ready . I just wonder who HE has asked about .
What is Frank Wren up too? There has been more “rumors” on Prado then Prince Fielder for gods sake. Now he is trying to say Prado is not been shopped. What other players could he be putting out there? Other than Prado and JJ ofcourse.
What if he sees something in Toronto (Jose Bautista) or Pittsburgh (Andrew McCutchen) that he feels is worth sending the likes of JJ, Prado, Delgado or Minor, and Lipka for???
There’s also Venters , Medlen , O’Flaherty , Hanson . The only players who are probably untouchable at this point would probably be Teheran , Hudson , Beachy , Chipper , McCann , Freeman , Uggla , Heyward(arguably) , and maybe Vizcaino .
well chipper can’t be traded without his permission (ten and five rights) and I think Huddy has them too
They do .
I’d switch Vizcaino out with Hanson. I can’t imagine us giving up on him so early in his career.
haha jose haha btw thx for escobar
interesting, but i’m not sure JJ can pitch as successfully in the AL East…
JJ can’t pitch in the AL East yet Freddy Garcia & Bartolo Colon can???
i wrote as successfully, not that he can’t pitch…
point is moot anyways, he wouldn’t be involved in any deal for bautista anyways.
Bautista? Ya right… but I could see the Toronto Blue Jays being a trade partner for the Braves. Wren said he liked GM’ and front offices that kept it quiet, and the Blue Jays do just that. They have young outfield pieces that could fill the Braves needs to an extent. But Thames and Snyder are left handed. As for Pittsburgh I have no clue.
Not saying this as a proposal , but a package of Jair Jurrjens , Teheran , and Vizcaino wouldn’t get Bautista ?
Not Teheran. Could be the best pitcher in baseball in a few years. TOO MUCH upside to let him go. But you are right a few top notch prospects might do it.
the only thing more silly then the trade proposal is the fact that you think its too much to give up for jose freaking bautista..
Prospects are what they are, prospects, many flame out.. Teheran might end up being very good, or he might not be. It would be absolutely ridiculous to think he’d be untouchable and that Heyward wouldn’t be going the jays way.
Teheran is practically untouchable. Stop the nonsense.
more untouchable then Jose Bautista?
and I’m the mad one..
right.
I never said that he wasn’t, you’re attempting to put words in my mouth.
you called my post about Teheran having to be involved for to land Bautista nonsense.
What other logical explanation would you expect me to come to?
I actually was the one who brought Teheran into the conversation . But I clearly stated that it was not a trade proposal . It was just a question to prove that Bautista could be had for the right package .
For the right package any player is available.
then vs. than
sooooooooooooooooo hard to do.
its late. sue me
Neither are untouchable , no more one than the other . It would just take the right return .
I clearly stated that it was not a trade proposal . I was just making a point that Bautista could be had for the right price .
replace JJ with Hanson and change Vizcaino for Heyward, and maybe
Am I missing something ? Bautista for 2 former AS players and a top 5 prospect . Bautista is a great player . But he is not worth that much . And what I mean by that is just not that package .
He’s actually worth more than that..
and I’m not being a jays homer or anything, just going based on past trades and the fact that jose has 2 unreal seasons back to back and still has 4 years left on a very affordable contract
this is all moot though because he wont be traded so really, agree to disagree, doesn’t matter
I’m a Braves fan and I also think Bautista is worth all that. However, I don’t think that trade ever happens anyway. Wren wouldn’t give up that much for one player and Bautista is as untouchable as possible.
Thats kinda what I meant . He might be worth that kind of package to someone else , just not the Braves .
The Braves are the one team that should be willing to give up that much for Bautista. Who wins the WS if the trade was made one year ago?? Maybe not the Braves, but 100% surely not the Cardinals. The Braves easily win the WC.
The Braves opening day starters rWAR: 12.8 Bautista: 8.5
Yes, he actually is. Look at the man’s WAR for the past 2 seasons. He’s one of the most valuable players to his team in MLB. In ’10 he had an offensive WAR of 6.9 and in ’11 it was an astounding 8.1! In 2011, his total WAR was an 8.5 – MVP Justin Verlander also had an 8.5 – just to give you an idea.
With all due respect to Jurrjens, Teheran, and Vizcaino, it’ll be years before they’ll be that productive, if ever for JJ or Vizcaino (if left pitching as a RP). Jurrjens in his AS season still only had a 3.8 WAR rating in ’11.
He may be worth it . I should have worded it differently . Wren won’t give up that much for him .
No. Plain and simple. Bautista’s extension is the feather in Alex Anthropolous’ hat. It was a brilliant move that after 2 years looks like a deal for TOR. As much as I like that core group of players, I think Bautista, with that contract, is one of the few untouchables in the league. I’d just might say he’s the Felix Hernandez of hitters, in terms of output for their relative contracts.
“Geoff Baker of The Seattle Times wonders if the Darren Ford signing clears the way for the Mariners to trade some of the outfielders on their 40-man roster, like Trayvon Robinson, Michael Saunders, or Franklin Gutierrez.”
Trayvon Robinson + B prospect to the Braves for Prado and Jurrjens. Add/subtract as necessary to even it out.
Isn’t Trayvon Robinson pretty weak offensively?
Robinson, who has cranked 26 homers and has driven in 71 runs this season at triple-A, was the fourth-best prospect in the Los Angeles organization, according to Baseball Prospectus. In 2010 at double-A, Robinson stole 38 bases, hit .300 and drove in 57 runs. In 2009, he hit 17 homers, drove in 64, hit .300 and stole 47 bases.
AAA (2011) 428 AB .289/.374/.552
Lol I guess not and he seems really solid in the outfield.
Yeah not sure what all this is about, I clearly said add/subtract as necessary. If anything people seem to be undervaluing Robinson. Jump on him before someone else does, I say.
yeah, the PCL is where i want to get my offensive stats. there are no park factors at all there.
sheesh. T. Robinson + a propsect is NOT getting Prado + JJ. Stop. Just stop.
Sigh…another simpleton.
You mean add a lot to what Seattle would give away and subtract a lot from what Atlanta would give away, right?
I don’t know the M’s farm system that well which is why I added the last bit. Make no mistake I’m a Braves fan, and want to win that trade lol! I think Robinson would be a good fit, a RH left fielder with pop and upside.
You are a Braves fan and you proposed that?
You must be dyslexic. Slowly read the last sentence of my post. Then read it once again, even slower.
You said, “Trayvon Robinson + B prospect to the Braves for Prado and Jurrjens. Add/subtract as necessary to even it out.” So that means you, as a Braves fan, would trade Jurrjens and Prado for Robinson and a B prospect? This is one of the few times a fan is undervaluing his own players. Jurrjens would fetch more than that on his own and Prado is going to get a useful piece too. I think Robinson would be a great fit for the Braves but it wouldn’t take as much as that to get him.
“So that means you, as a Braves fan, would trade Jurrjens and Prado for Robinson and a B prospect”
*FACEPALM*
Let’s try this again. Take the sentence above. Now combine it with “add/subtract as necessary to even it out.”
We already went over this, that is a terrible starting point. It wouldn’t be a B prospect it would be a major league ready young guy and then another prospect on top of that to get started. Go facepalm yourself with a chair and get some sense. Next time you propose a trade begin with a good starting point and go from there. The proposition you gave would need so much adding and subtracting it isn’t worth while to propose it in the first place.
Haha what angry trash you are! You can subtract Jurrjens and end up with Prado for Robinson and a B prospect. Or you can add pieces of the M’s farm that I’m not familiar with. You drop out of remedial math?
Then why propose a stupid trade in the first place that has so many variables that would have to be exercised for it to come true? Simply saying that Jurrjens and Prado could fit in Seattle and Robinson would be a good fit in Atlanta would be a lot clearer for what you are trying to accomplish rather than proposing a ridiculous deal and having people misinterpret your intentions.
You’re right. I’ll make it a point to phrase my future posts in the manner that suits you best.
I just wantedto put anotherreply here.
again…Robinson is NOT a good offensive player. PCL offensive stats are ridiculous to quote due to park factors.
Robinson is a good fit. He’s a Frank Wren type guy.
I’d do Prado for Robinson and a spect.
What about this? Adam Lind and Mark Teahen for Felix Hernandez and Michael Pineda, add/subtract as necessary. See how dumb proposing trades like this is?
Wren is just trying to get the public perspective of Prado back to him being a good player instead of a player on the block.
I’d bet money on him being traded this offseason. Prado has to be pretty mad at the organization. First we move him to LF after an All-Star season now he’s in every trade rumor imaginable.
I feel for the guy . He is a great team player , good ball player . I can only imagine whats going through his mind right now .
Guthrie is the only really realiable pitcher on the staff.
We cant get rid of him.
Prado’s bat doesn’t fit as a light power hitting (appx. 15 HR’s per yr.) corner OF in 2012 or a 3B in 2013. Uggla’s contract and 30 dingers per yr. has pushed Martin into the available for trade position. Also, although I love him as a Brave, his low OBP does not fit either as a corner keystone…imho.
Yes. Prado is an awesome piece, but his trade value is high now because of the Rockies, Tigers, and Jays needing what he can provide outside Atlanta…2B/3B steadiness, lead-off or 2-hole spots in the order…just not 3 thru 6 spots because that’s where corner cogs should thrive.
Prado, Hicks and Redmond for Smith and Arenado of the Rockies??
Although as Braves fans might think that your proposal might be somewhat fair , Rockies fans think way too much of Arenado . O’Dowd seems to have rubbed off on most of them I guess .
I like Tim Wheeler…….Don’t get why they wouldn’t deal considering the amount of OF in their system
Who knows . If I was Wren , I would blow O’Dowd off for a while until he was ready to actually talk .
Since the Braves have a power hitting 2B they don’t particularly need a power hitting LF. It all balances out in the end. What they need are for Heyward to return to his rookie year stats, Prado to stay healthy and rebound from last season, and Uggla to not go into the tank for the first 3 months of the season.
Also, Hicks and Redmond have no trade value.
yes they do…did you not see the OPS stat the Braves OF put up last year? Last…how far does a team have to climb to get out of the basement? A lot! Thus, help comes in the form of needed change, and that’s what a power hitting corner OF will provide.
So, since Chipper is not providing it anymore, and Martin did not provide it either. Freeman may one day, and so may Heyward. Until then, you have to go get it by trading a proven commodity (Prado or JJ). Oh. Had Uggla not come out of the tank where Prado & Heyward resided the entire season…the Braves would have finished 3rd or 4th in the NL East
Several players carried the team during different parts of the year . Jurrjens and Hanson for pitchers the first half . Hudson the second half . Freeman came on strong after the first month of the season for a while along with McCann . Uggla had his 30 something game hitting streak the second half of the season . And guess who was the Braves best hitter the last month of the season . Come on guess . Alex Gonzalez . They just didn’t seem to all click together as a whole throughout the whole season .
anyone wanna argue about nothing until the thread gets so skinny that it goes to one word per line and then just flat dissappears?
Yeah, I’ll start off.
Manny Ramirez is the greatest player ever.
Now argue.
IN WHAT WORLD DO YOU LIVE?! RAMIREZ?! HE’S A BUM! A BUM, I TELL YOU! HE COULDN’T HOLD THE JOCKSTRAP OF BARRY ZITO. THAT HAMBENDER IS DEVASTATING. LOOK AT THE HOME/ROAD SPLITS!
NO
JOHN LACKEY IS BETTER THAN BOTH OF THEM, FACT
I was hoping to hear “but we’re willing to do what it takes to land top-tier pitching” from Beinfest, but instead it seems the Marlins FO is delusional that they can land top FA with a no-trade clause policy.