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By Tim Dierkes | January 4, 2012 at 3:00pm CDT

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  1. grownice

    11 years ago

    Who has more upside? Brett Lawrie , Jesus Montero , Mike Trout? And also who has the better year next year? Fans of the Jays , Yankees , Angels may not participate. GO

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    • Lunchbox45

      11 years ago

      1. Mike Trout 2. Brett Lawrie 3. Jesus Montero.

      Montero might end up having the best bat of the 3, but offers not much else in terms of defensive ability. Lawrie as #2 is solely dependant on his ability to play third base, in a very small sample size he did that well last year, but we will need more data before we can call him atleast an average fielding third baseman.
      Trout plays the most difficult position and by all accounts plays it well. So he offers the most defensive value as well as base path value.

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      • grownice

        11 years ago

        Your a Jays fan but id say thats a fair analysis. But you forgot the second question , who has the better year next year?

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        • Lunchbox45

          11 years ago

          given that Montero will be DHing a lot and I’m not sure if Trout starts in the bigs, I will say Lawrie accumilates the highest WAR next year of the 3.

    • shockey12

      11 years ago

      Jays fan but rules were meant to be broken.

      For me personally I’m a bit pessimistic about “5 tool guys” like Trout. History has not been very kind to those type of top prospects (Corey Patterson, Lastings Milledge) so I find it harder to get on the Trout bandwagon. Montero has by all accounts an awesome bat but that’s about it to his game. Teams just don’t go for those one dimensional players like they used to and his offensive value will take a big hit from his lack of defense. Call me a homer but Lawrie has 1) shown he can hit for power and average 2) can take a walk and get on base which is rare for a young player and 3) has shown a ton of potential Defensively and in doing so has shown that he’s very good at adapting to different situations which will definitely help throughout his career. To me Brett Lawrie is most likely to be a star and have a better season but they are all great choices.

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      • Casor_Greener

        11 years ago

        wow all this from 40+ games….

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        • shockey12

          11 years ago

          They were some pretty awesome 40+ games

        • grownice

          11 years ago

           What else is he supposed to judge it on? It’s using minor league numbers as well. Care to make your analysis instead of insulting his?

      • Lunchbox45

        11 years ago

        not liking trout because of patterson is like not liking lawrie because of brandon wood.

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        • shockey12

          11 years ago

          Did wood do anything close to what lawrie did when he got called up though?

        • Lunchbox45

          11 years ago

          no but at 23 years old corey patterson had a 5 WAR season.

          I’m not comparing Wood to Lawrie, I’m saying thats a silly comparison, like comparing Wood to Patterson and Milledge.

    • jacks100

      11 years ago

      Lawrie’s 1… and it isnt even close

      Reply
      • Lunchbox45

        11 years ago

        sigh

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      • grownice

        11 years ago

        Why isn’t it close, elaborate.

        Reply
    • Red_Line_9

      11 years ago

      Trout

      Reply
      • grownice

        11 years ago

         Care to elaborate?

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        • Red_Line_9

          11 years ago

          I’d take Lawrie on offense as well.  Trout gets the edge because I believe he’s younger and plays defense in CF.  Power potential.  I’v heard/read the Mantle comparisons…but I watched him play a half season..and I get the Mantle thing…but he reminds me alot of Andy Van Slyke.

        • Red_Line_9

          11 years ago

          Every group of scouts I was with would put their guns and stop watches down just to watch Trout play in the minors.  He was THAT exciting to watch.  The only player I’ve ever seen make quicker adjustments during an at bat was Ryne Sandberg.

    • East Coast Bias

      11 years ago

      Yanks fan (sorry)

      I’m going Lawrie, Montero, then Trout.

      AL East has some tough pitching, but luckily for Lawrie, the top guys
      (CC, Lester, Price) are all left handed. I think he’ll put up monster
      numbers next year as well.

      Montero will probably have a better OPS, but his value drops because of his position. Or lack there of. Hopefully DHing motivates him to step his defensive game up and try to take over the catcher spot.

      Trout batted what? like 240 last year? Montero had twice as many hits in half as many games. I know it’s a small sample size, but I think Lawrie’s and Montero’s game translates well in the bigs, and last year was probably a huge confidence booster for both. Not to say Trout will never figure it out, I get the feeling he will take a little longer into next year to adapt.

      I’d put Lawrie for the best year next year, but Trout as the greatest upside.

      Great situation for all three players, as they have awesome mentors in each team. Bautista, Pujols, Cano, Arod, etc…

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      • Lunchbox45

        11 years ago

        Montero’s 2 years older than Trout. Trouts incredibly young to have been getting hacks in the bigs, his average doesn’t matter at all.

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        • East Coast Bias

          11 years ago

          True, hence I think Trout will have the greatest upside when he does figure everything out. It could just take longer for him than the other two though…

        • Lunchbox45

          11 years ago

          Yah I think he’ll start the year in AAA, some more development cant hurt, plus the Angels have enough bodies out there anyways.

      • MaineSox

        11 years ago

         It’s about time you started apologizing for being a Yankee fan.

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    • Sniderlover

      11 years ago

      1. Trout — complete package and I think he is going to be a superstar.
      2. Lawrie — Man, he is so awesome to watch. Looked like a complete package when he came up but there have been question marks about his ability to stick at 3rd base and how good he is defensively (he was truly excellent in the bigs albeit a small sample size). I think Lawrie and Trout are pretty close IMO.
      3. Montero — Bat could be the best out of the bunch but he doesn’t have a true position and that hurts his value. 

      It might be a homer vote, but I think Lawrie will have the best year next season. I also don’t see Trout getting much playing time in the majors next season because they already have 3 outfielders and some seasoning won’t hurt Trout.

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      • lefty177

        11 years ago

        i was going to respond to grownice’s question with this same 1, 2, 3, & you took all the words from me, now the question is, does Lawrie have too many ABs or days in the majors where he can’t be eligible for ROY?

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  2. mmwatkin

    11 years ago

    Aww. That little Indians fan was cute. Look at him get his hopes up. 

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